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Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Apple iPhone |
Apple's new device was finally officially announced today at Macworld San Francisco. As quoted by Ars, some relevant info: Ars wrote: -Steve: "This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half years. Every once and a while a revolutionary product comes around that changes everything..."
Personally I'm quite skeptical. I'm sure it'll take off for business consumers (essentially as an alternative to the Blackberry), but I noticed the iPod had such a successful place with teenagers and the like. Sure there are many business people, but there are many more kids. With such a high price, I do not see many parents buying their daughters iPhones any time soon.
-Widescreen iPod -Touchscreen controls -2nd mobile phone -Breakthrough internet communications device -Widescreen iPod, revolutionary mobile phone, breakthrough internet communications device all in ONE DEVICE -Called iPhone, officially -"Most phones are hard to use, but iPhone is smarter than anything else and is very easy to use -Been under years of development -Interplay of hardware and software -Comparing to blackberry and treo. Nobody wants a stylus, and get rid of the buttons! Make a giant screen. -Uses fingers & multitouch, works like "magic" -Ignores unintended touches -iPhone runs OS X and has "everything you need" -Apple "reinvents" the phone -iPhone version of OS X runs Core animation, desktop class applications -Apple is learning from the iPod--shipping 100 million iPods this year -iPhone syncs with iTunes, just like the iPod and syncs all of the media on your phone -Has a cradle to sync just like the dock -Syncs music, movies, podcasts, TV, photos, contacts, e-mail, notes, bookmarks, calendars, etc. all through iTunes -3.5" screen, highest resolution screen ever shipped -160 pixels per inch -One button on the front, "Home" button -11/16" thin -On the back, there's a 2 Megapixel camera -Takes a SIM card -3.5mm headphone jack -One switch for sleep and one for wake, integrated speaker -When you bring it to your ear, it turns off the display and sound with a proximity sensor -iPhone has 3 advanced sensors -Has an accelerometer and an ambient light sensor -Saves power -iPhone has CoverFlow, "You can touch your music" -Interface has Cingular logo on top (booo) -Clock and battery plus signal at the top -The move to widescreen is automatic, and when done it moves back -Sundial moves while loading -built-in speaker for iPhone/iPod -Visual voicemail -Supports GSM + EDGE, WiFi, Bluetooth, quad-band phone -Push "phone" button on the bottom of the screen and it changes like Dashboard -Big icons: mute, keypad, speaker, add call -Make a list of favorites, touch one and call -iPhone does e-mail -Visual voicemail lets you see all voicemail and click who you want to hear and it plays back over the speaker -Play back your voicemail in any order -Button for multiple-session SMS messaging -Keypad buttons to touch message, has bubbles like iChat -Photo feature lets you see all photos, just like iPhoto -Use "pinch" to make photos bigger -iPhone can use photos as wallpaper -Any IMAP or POP e-mail, can support rich HTML e-mail -iPhone uses Safari, can use Google Maps, widgets -EDGE and WiFi switches automatically -Announcing with Yahoo!, free IMAP e-mail to all iPhone customers -Push IMAP e-mail -Can look at mail in splitscreen view, fullscreen, or preview -For web browsing, it can show the whole page and the landscape/portrait switch is automatic -Pinch the screen to increase the size of view using MultiTouch or double tap screen -Can view multiple web pages -Can load multiple pages--one page shrinks somewhat and slides off to the side, similar to the effect in Expose -Still shows the whole page though--just double tap and it zooms -Change web pages by using "almost" a coverflow to get to a different page -iPhone has GPS -Stuff like Google Images supports satellite images -Google search built-in as well as Google Maps -Google's Eric Schmidt says it's like a merge without merging -WiMAX is coming -Yahoo! search is also built in, as well as Yahoo! IMAP mail -Yahoo launching some new services for the iPhone: Yahoo Go and One Search -5 hour battery life on iPhone for talk time -16 hours for just audio/iPod functionality -Price for iPhone is $499 for 4GB version, $599 for 8GB version -Shipping in June -Europe support by Cal4 this year -Asia in 2008 -Phone is Cingular-exclusive right now in the US -Available via brick & mortar and online retail stores -Only available from Cingular or Apple -Multi-year exclusive partnership with Cingular One might argue that they only wish to go after the business people. I personally think that is a dumb move, but that's up for you to decide. Discuss! |
Author: | Craige [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
I"m at work now, and I just heard it on the TV. What's the price set at for the iPhone now? I'd imagine it'll have quite a hefty price tag. |
Author: | Tony [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:44 pm ] |
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That's more features than are listed on my Mac Mini! heh The brilliance of iPod (other than it making lots of profit) is that it has brought attention back to Apple and their computers as well. Targeting business community might be a smart move on a number of points a) it's probably not economically feasable to make an affordable Apple quality phone otherwise. b) It's good for Apple for bring business world's attention to itself and their computers as well. Especially now that Vista is coming out, and many are considering the available alternatives. |
Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: RE:Apple iPhone |
Craige @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:40 pm wrote: I"m at work now, and I just heard it on the TV. What's the price set at for the iPhone now? I'd imagine it'll have quite a hefty price tag. As stated above, "Price for iPhone is $499 for 4GB version, $599 for 8GB version."
Tony @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:44 pm wrote: The brilliance of iPod (other than it making lots of profit) is that it has brought attention back to Apple and their computers as well. Another brilliance of the iPod was its simplicity. It made mp3 players easy for the masses to use.
Tony @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:44 pm wrote: a) it's probably not economically feasable to make an affordable Apple quality phone otherwise. I would imagine given how flooded the market is right now, this is quite true.
Tony @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:44 pm wrote: b) It's good for Apple for bring business world's attention to itself and their computers as well. Especially now that Vista is coming out, and many are considering the available alternatives. So essentially Apple peripherals are being used to drive their hardware sales? Would not surprise me, 'tis a good idea. |
Author: | Craige [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: RE:Apple iPhone |
rdrake @ Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:02 pm wrote: As stated above, "Price for iPhone is $499 for 4GB version, $599 for 8GB version."
Oh, so you did. That's what I get for skipping the last part of the list. |
Author: | md [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
I want one. However the whole waiting 'till june and it not beign available in Canada kinda sucks. |
Author: | 1of42 [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
That's stupid. Phones are better at better at being phones, iPods at being iPods, and Blackberries at being Blackberries. Just slapping more crap onto one device does not make it revolutionary or a good idea. |
Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
I don't know, I'd rather carry just one device :/ I like it ![]() |
Author: | Clayton [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
I agree with Amailer, especially considering an ipod will cost you anywhere's around ~$350 after tax, plus you figure a decent phone costs ~$150 then the blackberry on top of that, so it's really not that unfeasable, it just seems bad because you only have 1 device compared to 3. |
Author: | md [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
1of42 @ Tuesday 2007-01-09 5:43 pm wrote: That's stupid. Phones are better at better at being phones, iPods at being iPods, and Blackberries at being Blackberries.
Just slapping more crap onto one device does not make it revolutionary or a good idea. You do know what a blackberry does right? It does email, web browsing, plays mp3s (yup, it really does) and gasp! It's a phone! My phone plays mp3s and movies as well as being a phone; and it can do calendar type stuff as well but it's a pain to use without a keyboard. That means that I usually carry a Palm T5 as well as my cell phone so I can keep track of things. So really an iPhone would replace my current phone and my T5; and do it better then my devices currently do. How is it stupid for me to replace two things with one? Just because you don't use all the things the iPhone can do doesn't make it stupid, it must means you aren't the target audience. [edit] My phone cost me $299, my palm T5 ~$600. An iPhone is DEFINITELY worth the the price tag, in fact even if it did half of the things that it does strait out of hte box it would be a good deal at $499. Also, about the target audience thing, it's aimed at 20+ business men/women who have the disposable income to buy one. Grade 11 students are definitely not the target audience. |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
Yeah, my phone is a phone, an MP3 player, a 1.5MP camera, a basic organizer, and can play some videos. My MP3 Player can play MP3s/WMAs/WAVs(those are old), plays most kinds of videos, displays most kinds of pictures, has a decent organizer, FM radio, microphone, ect. Everything nowadays isnt just what its main use is. Everything has some sort of crazy amount of extra perhiperals added to it. an all-in-one device is a neato thing, yet it only does a few things decently. Who wants to watch a full length movie on a 1.5'' Screen, hm? |
Author: | neufelni [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:25 pm ] |
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This thing is amazing! You can take a closer look at it here Take a look at the videos by clicking the links to the right. |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:47 pm ] |
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I knew something liek this was coming. Creative is suing Apple for the iPhone. Apparently Creative is suing because they have the patent for the software that the iPhone runs off of, which is the Zen Technology (which is my MP3 Player). Heres a short little article i found about it, but I also heard it off the news this morning. Creative Sues Apple for Violation of Zen Patent |
Author: | Martin [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
The iPhone looks pretty stylish. At $599 for the upper end model with a two year contract, I think that the $199 Blackberry Pearl is going to find a lot of eyes on it. The biggest problem that I see with the iPhone is that it's looking like a jack of all trades, master of none. You can't type as fast with the touchscreen (vs. a Blackberry/Treo), a regular MP3 player is going to hold more stuff and a regular cell phone will have longer battery life. I like how my phone lasts a week between charges, my mp3 player doesn't hold out so well. I can live with a dead mp3 player for a day, if I don't have my phone it can mean trouble. We'll see though. Apple has the marketting thing down pat, so I'm sure it'll sell. 1% of the cell phone market sounds pretty ambitious... |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
Sorry for the double post guys, but I couldn't edit since Martin posted ![]() Cisco Sues Apple for Trademark Infringement This is starting to get crazy. |
Author: | md [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
rogers will appanently be offering it in Canada; but not until Q4 2007/Q1 2008. Oh, and you need a data subscription as well, so there's another $60-$100 a month. I really think there could be lawsuit brewing against cellphone providers brewing... 'cause my "$20" a month plan sure as hell costs more then $20 (~$60). If that's not false advertising and price gouging I don't know what is. |
Author: | Andy [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
Martin @ Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:49 am wrote: The iPhone looks pretty stylish. At $599 for the upper end model with a two year contract, I think that the $199 Blackberry Pearl is going to find a lot of eyes on it. The biggest problem that I see with the iPhone is that it's looking like a jack of all trades, master of none. You can't type as fast with the touchscreen (vs. a Blackberry/Treo), a regular MP3 player is going to hold more stuff and a regular cell phone will have longer battery life. I like how my phone lasts a week between charges, my mp3 player doesn't hold out so well. I can live with a dead mp3 player for a day, if I don't have my phone it can mean trouble.
We'll see though. Apple has the marketting thing down pat, so I'm sure it'll sell. 1% of the cell phone market sounds pretty ambitious... standard touch screens yes, multi-sensor ones? i'm not so sure.. |
Author: | Naveg [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:03 pm ] |
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Martin @ Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:49 pm wrote: The iPhone looks pretty stylish. At $599 for the upper end model with a two year contract, I think that the $199 Blackberry Pearl is going to find a lot of eyes on it. The biggest problem that I see with the iPhone is that it's looking like a jack of all trades, master of none. You can't type as fast with the touchscreen (vs. a Blackberry/Treo), a regular MP3 player is going to hold more stuff and a regular cell phone will have longer battery life. I like how my phone lasts a week between charges, my mp3 player doesn't hold out so well. I can live with a dead mp3 player for a day, if I don't have my phone it can mean trouble.ambitious...
I have to agree. While it would definitely be convenient to have multiple devices in one, I'd still prefer multiple devices with superior functionality. There are two other things that bother me about the iPhone. Firstly, it's carrier dependent and is not sold without a service contract. How many people are going to (a) switch to cingular or (b) switch service plans just to get an iPhone? The other problem I see is huge: no 3rd party development. The iPhone runs a scaled down version of OSX, is there any real reason apple shouldn't add iPhone support to XCode? Apple has to open things up more. They need carrier independence and support for 3rd party development if that want the iPhone to really succeed as a "blackberry killer" I think. |
Author: | wtd [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:34 pm ] |
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Is it really concrete yet that Apple won't offer some kind of SDK for the iPhone? Or maybe Steve just didn't think that such a thing deserved time in his keynote, at what is a very consumer-oriented conference. |
Author: | md [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:47 pm ] |
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Who cares about 3rd party development? How many people actually run third party apps on their blackberry or cell phone? Aside from games, almost no one. Besides, it almost certainly will have a JVM, just like every other phone out there these days. |
Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: RE:Apple iPhone |
I seriously want one ![]() All they need to introduce is Terminal.app (for the iphone), and we're all set. ![]() |
Author: | wtd [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:54 pm ] |
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I strongly suspect Leopard's dev tools will include an SDK for this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they included an "emulator" of sorts that let developers test apps without having to actually own an iPhone. |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:17 am ] |
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So I'm guessing nobody saw my posts on the first page, or either nobody cares about the lawsuits ![]() |
Author: | wtd [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:59 pm ] |
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It's just an attempt to blackmail Apple into paying more for the trademark than they would have before. The iPhone trademark means just about squat to Cisco, except that Apple values it. |
Author: | Martin [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
Apple says that they're not allowing 3rd party apps on the phone. And Apple knew about Cisco's ownership of the trademark beforehand. I have a book on my shelf that I've never read, and isn't really all that valuable to me. That doesn't, however, give you the right to steal it. If someone wants to buy this book from me, asking money for it isn't blackmail. If I charge a high price for it because I know that it's valuable to someone, then that's economics. |
Author: | wtd [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:16 pm ] |
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Oh, I wouldn't argue that Apple's move was bright. I'm just saying that Cisco isn't a shining pillar of virtue. ![]() And yes, I have since seen news regarding third party apps. |
Author: | Martin [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:28 pm ] |
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And neither is Apple. I mean, Apple sued over a product called IPOD that was some used on arcade machines to count money, IIRC. I think that Cisco and Apple have probably already reached an agreement, and Apple is just doing this for all of the free advertising that they're getting. I can't see it making any sense any other way - Cisco will win if this goes to court, and Apple can afford a decent legal team who would have seen this coming, I imagine. |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
I personally don't see the big deal... Just a whole lot of advertising and hype caused by the iPod. But meh, maybe that's just me and my disinterest for cellphones. |
Author: | Amailer [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:45 pm ] |
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Suing thing is so common, and gets really lame- It happens to Microsoft too. Im sure Apple will win. Apple Inc ![]() |
Author: | Martin [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:15 am ] |
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Amailer @ Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:45 wrote: Suing thing is so common, and gets really lame- It happens to Microsoft too.
Im sure Apple will win. Apple Inc ![]() How do you figure? Cisco has owned the trademark for 7 years, and already have a phone product on the market using the name (which is a play on "IP Phone"). Likewise, Cisco didn't keep the trademark secret at all - in fact, there were negotiations going on between the two companies before Apple's iPhone was announced. As much as I am opposed to most of these cases (like say NTP vs. RIM), I'd have to say this one is as valid as they come. Honestly, Apple doesn't have any case here. I can see the marketing appeal to doing something like this (everyone's talking about it, talk about free advertising...), but at this point unless some prior arrangement has been made, Cisco can (and will) get millions from Apple. |
Author: | octopi [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:03 am ] |
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Thats not true if apple can prove that cisco has allowed other products to be released under the name without their permission. You can loose a trademark if you don't defend it, if someone else uses it and you do nothing, then you loose rights to it, thats the reason companys usually sue in the first place, they have to to defend their trademark. But yes, I'd like to see Apple NOT name they're next product I*, I find it kind of annoying, mostly cause I've never jumped on the I* bandwaggon, I don't own an ipod, imac, ibook, nor do I use itunes. (I have nothing against mac's, except maybe that ever user I've encountered is obsessed with it being 'the best') |
Author: | wtd [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Apple iPhone |
octopi @ Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:03 pm wrote: Thats not true if apple can prove that cisco has allowed other products to be released under the name without their permission. You can loose a trademark if you don't defend it, if someone else uses it and you do nothing, then you loose rights to it, thats the reason companys usually sue in the first place, they have to to defend their trademark.
Yes. For those wanting to learn more about similar legal concepts, research "estoppel." In this case, I believe there have been several other VOIP products (which are much closer in functionality to Cisco's) going by the name "iPhone." Of course, not being omniscient, I may be missing some agreement between those companies and Cisco. |
Author: | neufelni [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
According to this article here Cisco lost rights to the iPhone trademark last year. What I think Apple should have done as soon as they started making the "i" line of products, is to get a trademark for the "i" prefix for product names. I don't know much about trademark laws so I don't know if that would be possible. |
Author: | wtd [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:09 pm ] |
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You have to actually use a name for it to be applicable. You cannot simply claim a name as a trademark and sit on it until you decide to use it at some point in the future. |
Author: | Prince Pwn [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:23 pm ] |
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Just watched Diggnation #80 and the iPhone looks and sounds cool, but for that price I'd prefer the new Xbox 360 premium version with the 120gig and HDMI. [/url] |
Author: | wtd [ Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Apple iPhone |
An Xbox 360 isn't very portable, and it doesn't make a very good phone. Apples and oranges. ![]() |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: RE:Apple iPhone |
wtd @ Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:09 pm wrote: You have to actually use a name for it to be applicable. You cannot simply claim a name as a trademark and sit on it until you decide to use it at some point in the future.
That's Hot. ![]() |
Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: RE:Apple iPhone |
wtd @ Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:54 pm wrote: An Xbox 360 isn't very portable Ben heck disagrees.
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Author: | wtd [ Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:40 pm ] |
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That scares me. |