Computer Science Canada trivia: the longest suicide note in history |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:12 pm ] |
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/ Quote: "If users accept the domination of centrally-controlled data, free software faces two dangers, each worse than the other: [our emphasis] that users will reject GNU/Linux because it doesn't support the central control over access to these data, or that they will reject free versions of GNU/Linux for versions "enhanced" with proprietary software that support it. Either outcome will be a grave loss for our freedom." |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:24 pm ] |
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Vista EULA Analysis http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/29/microsoft_vista_eula_analysis/ |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:44 pm ] |
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http://www.connectedinternet.co.uk/2006/11/18/1046/ Quote: 13. Bill Gates earns $250 every second, $20m a day and $7.8BN a year. 15. If Bill Gates was a country, he would be the 37th richest country in the world. 18. Bill Gates scored 1590 on his SAT. Paul Allen, scored a perfect 1600. |
Author: | md [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:29 am ] |
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Were I still a windows user I would definitely not be migrating to vista. The security model is still flawed, DRM protection is so built in that it can completely cripple your computer (and potentially delete your files) with a single command from Microsoft, and it uses a rediculous amount of power to do nothing. Even idling with no installed applications windows uses more CPU time and more memory then my entire linux install running normally. |
Author: | rdrake [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:52 am ] |
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md wrote: Were I still a windows user I would definitely not be migrating to vista. The security model is still flawed, DRM protection is so built in that it can completely cripple your computer (and potentially delete your files) with a single command from Microsoft, and it uses a rediculous amount of power to do nothing. Even idling with no installed applications windows uses more CPU time and more memory then my entire linux install running normally. I wonder if one could emerge X and still use less CPU time than Vista sitting idle. |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:30 am ] |
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*sign* i was going to shell out to buy a copy of vista, but i guess I'll wait a few years now and stick to my (legit) XP |
Author: | Craige [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:21 pm ] |
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I have been saying for a long time that I think Vista is going to fail, and this just adds to the evidence of that statement. |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:51 pm ] |
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and how would you know that? 90% of the new PCs sold runs windows. And they will be running Vista pretty soon. |
Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:26 pm ] |
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Well everyone said XP will fail because it still has too many security holes, its requirements are really high and it is very expensive. Yet it still became the dominant OS. So i doubt vista will fail. Oh and is it just me or is linux MUCH faster then windows? My friend has a linux and his computer is a lot older than mine, yet his computer runs much faster. the ofice program he used seemed more advanced too. |
Author: | md [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:12 pm ] |
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spearmonkey2000 wrote: Well everyone said XP will fail because it still has too many security holes, its requirements are really high and it is very expensive. Yet it still became the dominant OS. So i doubt vista will fail.
Oh and is it just me or is linux MUCH faster then windows? My friend has a linux and his computer is a lot older than mine, yet his computer runs much faster. the ofice program he used seemed more advanced too. Windows XP is not the dominant OS, Win2k is. Windows XP dominates only consumer computers because consumers tend to buy new computers quicker then they really need to. Businesses have by far the most computers and they almost all run windows 2000. And yes, linux is that much faster. |
Author: | wtd [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:32 pm ] |
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Vista will succeed. It'll succeed hugely. Considering the monopoly Microsoft has, and the deals with OEMs which prevent other operating systems from gaining traction, it can't possibly fail. |
Author: | md [ Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:38 pm ] |
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wtd wrote: Vista will succeed. It'll succeed hugely.
Considering the monopoly Microsoft has, and the deals with OEMs which prevent other operating systems from gaining traction, it can't possibly fail. The problem is that if big businesses start demanding say linux on their computers OEMs will make it happen. Big business is where microsoft makes money; consumers are a much smaller market. |
Author: | neufelni [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:38 pm ] |
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Linux is definitely faster than Windows. It uses a lot less memory than Windows does. I checked how much memory Firefox uses on Linux and then on Windows. It used 6MB on Linux, 24 on Windows. |
Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:26 pm ] |
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strange it uses 36mb on my computer... |
Author: | md [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:29 pm ] |
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203mb of virtual memory, of which 73mb is resident. The problem with linux is that it's very hard to measure actual memory usage... many apps share the same libraries, so things get counted many many times... some apps I have say I am usign twice as much memory and swap space as I have. |
Author: | Prince Pwn [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:56 am ] |
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As Bill is stepping down, and Vista rises, I still see Microsoft in the future. Vista wont take off right away, but give it a year. Remember when XP came out? I have faith that Vista will not be the ME of 2007. Even if you don't want to get rid of your XP, you can EASILY dual-boot the Vista trial for 30 days along with XP. Of course Vista is not needed yet. XP can do everything we need done in a regular day-to-day basis, for now. Probably the only need for Vista this year would be for gaming such as Halo 2 and Direct X 10 games. But when 2008 comes around, Vista will be in homes, then by 2009 Schools. That's how I see it, anyways. I recommend 1 Gig of ram to run Vista (not sure if will install without that much). And it runs pretty stable in the latest/final Beta release. The shiny new GUI is awesome, and voice recognition built in (not the best but fun for a while). I also love how it displays your new drives, and the start menu rules with the new icon and the "spotlight" feature. I'm sticking with XP while the time being. But when the time comes where Vista is a standard, I will use it. |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:38 pm ] |
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there are a *lot* of good things about vista. However there is a saying that a small mouse dropping ruins a good pot of stew. |
Author: | Clayton [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:30 pm ] |
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Prince Pwn wrote: The shiny new GUI is awesome, There's also a saying: "Even the most tempting rose has thorns" |
Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:54 pm ] |
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1gig of ram JUST to RUN vista!!! you must be crazy. I might swicht to linux or stick with xp. |
Author: | BenLi [ Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:17 pm ] |
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actually, likely more. My friend said 1 gig wasn't enough for the latest release candidate. Two gigs will probably run the premium very well |
Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:28 pm ] |
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BenLi wrote: actually, likely more. My friend said 1 gig wasn't enough for the latest release candidate. Two gigs will probably run the premium very well 2GB of ram just to install and maintain an OS is horrid. I have no need for more than 1GB of ram with my XP, and I'm happy with it. Then again... Bill Gates did say about 30 years ago that there would be no need for a computer with more than 64KB of ram and 1MB or HD space, or something like that. |
Author: | apomb [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:16 am ] |
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If this were a perfect world, we'd make OS that were capable of running on 64kb of ram and use 1 MB of HDD space, and STILL look as good as Vista, or run as smoothly as Linux, and never need to upgrade our hardware. However, this is a consumerist world and as such, theres no need for windows to run THAT efficiently. The more and more hardware that is updated, due to the "advancements" in the software, the more money can be made by it all. Windows is bloated and eats up memory, HDD space and time, so you have to buy the latest Processor, memory and largest Harddrive just to see something of a benefit from the software. Linux (generally speaking) is small and efficient because it is not intended to strain hardware, its meant to work WITH your hardware and get the most out of it, most closely resembling a perfect world scenario. |
Author: | War_Caymore [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:00 pm ] |
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CompWiz333 @ Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:16 am wrote: Windows is bloated and eats up memory, HDD space and time, so you have to buy the latest Processor, memory and largest Harddrive just to see something of a benefit from the software. Linux (generally speaking) is small and efficient because it is not intended to strain hardware, its meant to work WITH your hardware and get the most out of it, most closely resembling a perfect world scenario. Then why isn't Linux the dominant OS, other than the fact taht Microsoft has billions of dollars, puts a great chunk of that into advertising, and XP comes with nearly EVERY PC that comes off the market? There has to be something worthwile about XP, and possibly Vista, that keeps it above everythign else. |
Author: | rdrake [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:48 pm ] |
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War_Caymore @ Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:00 pm wrote: CompWiz333 @ Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:16 am wrote: Windows is bloated and eats up memory, HDD space and time, so you have to buy the latest Processor, memory and largest Harddrive just to see something of a benefit from the software. Linux (generally speaking) is small and efficient because it is not intended to strain hardware, its meant to work WITH your hardware and get the most out of it, most closely resembling a perfect world scenario. Then why isn't Linux the dominant OS, other than the fact taht Microsoft has billions of dollars, puts a great chunk of that into advertising, and XP comes with nearly EVERY PC that comes off the market? There has to be something worthwile about XP, and possibly Vista, that keeps it above everythign else. The problem with all this is that everybody gets sold computers with Windows on them anyways, or at least the general public does. They are also taught to use Windows through school and other places, making them resist changing what they are used to. Why change something that's just worked for so many years? Consumers are starting to shift away from Windows now realizing what a monster it has become. And then we have Linux. Created in 1991, it lagged years behind all the front running operating systems at the time. It also lacked a friendly and easy to use GUI, which many other operating systems also had. Many of the applications were also Mac or Windows only even back then, meaning software had to be written from scratch, developers did not want to develop for a platform which nobody would use, and users would not want to use a platform that developers did not develop for. It is a vicious circle. Many more developers are writing applications for Linux too now. It now has a friendly and easy to use GUI, and has proven both secure and stable over the years. The introduction of distros like Ubuntu which are targeted more at your average user who doesn't want to compile a kernel or read man pages just to find some information. Hardware manufacturers too are starting to realize this, and releasing drivers for their products. That being said, the vast majority of our society only knows of Windows, and only knows how to use Windows. Thanks to Microsoft making Windows so bloated, Linux and OS X are proving to be more popular. Thanks to projects that teach children in developing countries how to use Linux (due to its low hardware requirements and excellent price point), Linux will in the future be much more well known than it is today. When the current generation of children grow up, many more will use Linux. Clearer now? |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:06 pm ] |
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20 years in the IT field is like a lifetime. and I can assure you, unless Microsoft/Vista encounters a major catastrophe, windows is still going to be dominant in all these years. What happens after 20 years? Well perhaps Vista 2, Vista 3 will be on the shelves |
Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:41 pm ] |
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In twenty years we will be useing windows Delta. and yes it will STILL suck. |
Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:26 am ] |
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bugzpodder @ Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:30 pm wrote: *sign* i was going to shell out to buy a copy of vista, but i guess I'll wait a few years now and stick to my (legit) XP
I e-mailed the folks from the Waterloo branch of the MSDN-AA (Microsoft Developer Network -- Academic Alliance). Apparently Waterloo will be getting their copies of Vista sometime this month (February), and so all University of Waterloo students will have access to free copies from CHIP in the first floor of the MC building. Perfectly legal licenses and everything Just thought you might want to know that. You can try Vista without "shelling out" anything. |
Author: | apomb [ Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:25 pm ] |
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War_Caymore @ Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:00 pm wrote: CompWiz333 @ Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:16 am wrote: Windows is bloated and eats up memory, HDD space and time, so you have to buy the latest Processor, memory and largest Harddrive just to see something of a benefit from the software. Linux (generally speaking) is small and efficient because it is not intended to strain hardware, its meant to work WITH your hardware and get the most out of it, most closely resembling a perfect world scenario. Then why isn't Linux the dominant OS, other than the fact taht Microsoft has billions of dollars, puts a great chunk of that into advertising, and XP comes with nearly EVERY PC that comes off the market? There has to be something worthwile about XP, and possibly Vista, that keeps it above everythign else. Marketing, and most of what rdrake said is what i was leaning towards ... i just thought people would see that Window's large marketshare doesnt MAKE it a good product. Linux is a far superior Operating system, but granted, takes a little more work. Now, lets not make this a Linux vs Windows discussion, because its a dead debate. theres no point. |
Author: | neufelni [ Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:07 pm ] |
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My brother bought a new laptop about a week ago, it came with Windows Vista. It looks pretty good. It's got a nice new look and some cool features like gadgets on the side of your desktop that show you things like the weather, time, speedometer type thing that shows your CPU and Ram usage. Also has a button in taskbar that shows you all your windows and lets you choose which one you want, sort of like Mac OS has. I think overall it is a really good OS. Definatley a great improvement from XP. |
Author: | Clayton [ Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:31 pm ] |
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and all of those things can be had in Linux, FOR FREE |
Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:39 pm ] |
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But microsoft obviously invented them. Afterall they are supreme inovators |
Author: | romantic_programmer [ Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:50 pm ] |
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my personal opinion, my friends mom was one of the tester for Vista so i got to play with it, it has some awesome multi interface features. and some killer layout designs. you can now actually hide and lock your desktop items with passwords. so if anyone tries to sneak on your computer hehehe their in trouble. and now with this Vista Capable and Vista Ready they system will run smoothly due to the fact when you upgrade it your actually getting more for your money. in the sense that they actually give you more then what is required to run it. i believe it will be a success as windows always is but the whole Vista capable and Vista ready stuff is stupid. millions of windows users will have to dump complete systems to get Vista because it is cheaper to do so. |
Author: | Clayton [ Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:26 pm ] |
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then you get into the whole idea of needing AT LEAST 512MB of RAM just to RUN Vista (1 GB is recommended). now I finish with this cliche: only God knows wrote: You can't judge a book by it's cover |
Author: | rdrake [ Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:12 pm ] |
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Microsoft makes some great products, sadly Windows is not one of them. I do not see why it's such a pro of Windows that it runs better because it forces you to upgrade. If you want a nifty UI, considering lookup up Beryl. |
Author: | Amailer [ Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:25 pm ] |
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I liked Office 2007 - not great on compatibility though. In fact, I liked pretty much all the office releases. |
Author: | Clayton [ Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:32 pm ] |
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OpenOffice is pretty good too and can be compatible with Windows Office formats. Best of all, it's free! |
Author: | Mazer [ Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm ] |
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I dislike both Microsoft Office and OpenOffice because of all of the features they have that I don't need. I'd drape myself in velvet and do my word processing in HTML if it were socially acceptable. |
Author: | rdrake [ Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:27 pm ] |
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Mazer @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm wrote: I'd drape myself in velvet and do my word processing in HTML if it were socially acceptable. Why not LaTeX? You can do word processing in it and I guess drape yourself in it... if you really wanted. |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:17 pm ] |
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romantic_programmer @ Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:50 pm wrote: my personal opinion,
my friends mom was one of the tester for Vista so i got to play with it, it has some awesome multi interface features. and some killer layout designs. you can now actually hide and lock your desktop items with passwords. so if anyone tries to sneak on your computer hehehe their in trouble. and now with this Vista Capable and Vista Ready they system will run smoothly due to the fact when you upgrade it your actually getting more for your money. in the sense that they actually give you more then what is required to run it. i believe it will be a success as windows always is but the whole Vista capable and Vista ready stuff is stupid. millions of windows users will have to dump complete systems to get Vista because it is cheaper to do so. you dont want to type a password everytime you double click on a desktop icon do you? i think a passworded screensaver is sufficient. i tried installing vista in safe mode, somehow it takes 5 times as long to copy the files (And of course, failing again) |
Author: | Amailer [ Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:00 pm ] |
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Alright I have been using Office 2007 again for the past couple of days, in a negative point- I was experiences so many crashes after I Installed it, word would start- crash, then it would tell me some normel.doa or something was corrupt, and asked me if I wanted to create a new one, when I did it would have fixed it. But this kept happening and around the 3-5th crash Microsoft Diagnostics automatically started up saying "we noticed that word has been constantly crashing...blablabla. What surprising is that, usually when I do such diagnostics, they NEVER WORK (for me at least). But this time, although it took almost forever, it actually FIXED the problem which - yeah sort of amazed me |
Author: | Mazer [ Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:01 pm ] |
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rdrake @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:27 pm wrote: Mazer @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm wrote: I'd drape myself in velvet and do my word processing in HTML if it were socially acceptable. Why not LaTeX? You can do word processing in it and I guess drape yourself in it... if you really wanted.I guess that does make sense. I should definitely look into LaTeX, but I do like that everyone has a browser. Would a LaTeX document need to be exported to PDF or something? |
Author: | rdrake [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:26 am ] |
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Mazer @ Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:01 pm wrote: rdrake @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:27 pm wrote: Mazer @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm wrote: I'd drape myself in velvet and do my word processing in HTML if it were socially acceptable. Why not LaTeX? You can do word processing in it and I guess drape yourself in it... if you really wanted.I guess that does make sense. I should definitely look into LaTeX, but I do like that everyone has a browser. Would a LaTeX document need to be exported to PDF or something? |
Author: | Mazer [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:13 am ] |
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rdrake @ Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:26 am wrote: Mazer @ Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:01 pm wrote: rdrake @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:27 pm wrote: Mazer @ Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:40 pm wrote: I'd drape myself in velvet and do my word processing in HTML if it were socially acceptable. Why not LaTeX? You can do word processing in it and I guess drape yourself in it... if you really wanted.I guess that does make sense. I should definitely look into LaTeX, but I do like that everyone has a browser. Would a LaTeX document need to be exported to PDF or something? Ok, ok, but what programs read DVI documents? |
Author: | BenLi [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:18 am ] |
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yeah i had the office 2007 beta 2, but i didn't like the tabbed clustered interface. I like my office 2003 |
Author: | BenLi [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:22 am ] |
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Quote: But microsoft obviously invented them. Afterall they are supreme inovators
Xerox invented the GUI, and Apple first implenmented them in a computer. Microsoft didn't innovate anything. the idea of widgets and docks have been around for ages. |
Author: | apomb [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:16 am ] |
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the lack of understanding of sarcasm never ceases to astound me. |
Author: | Clayton [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:47 am ] |
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uh... I think that comment rates a 15 on the sarcasometer (btw, it's a scale from 1 - 10) EDIT: Damn you stupid last page... |
Author: | bugzpodder [ Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:21 pm ] |
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Quote: we noticed that word has been constantly crashing...blablabla.
What surprising is that, usually when I do such diagnostics, they NEVER WORK (for me at least). But this time, although it took almost forever, it actually FIXED the problem which - yeah sort of amazed me LMAO this is hilarious. i like WYSIWYG editors rather than latex. MS has its equation editor (ie mathtype) and maple,mathematica etc all have their own. |