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Next gen game console war. Xbox 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:36 pm ]
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I know there's this whole gaming war between Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. I'd just like people's thoughts on which gaming console will ultimately win out (if any) in the end.
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:55 pm ]
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We don't need another topic for this, there have already been too many. If you're really interested in people's thoughts on the systems, read this topic.
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:55 pm ]
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I'm well aware of that thread Gandalf. The problem is, would you like to go through 6 pages of posts to find out what everyone thinks? I know I don't and I don't even have the time to. All I would really like are the numbers, so people don't actually have to post, all they really need to do is vote. Now if people think this thread is useless then it will eventually die and no harm done since it is in the Off Topic forum.
Author:  rdrake [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:11 pm ]
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This will turn into 6 pages of posts soon enough.
Author:  Dan [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:08 pm ]
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I am locking this as soon as any one flames any one.....

Console topics are one of thos debates that just don't end becues in the end they are founded in peoleops options. I have no problem with debating but if this turns in to a flame war all console topics will be locked.
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:54 am ]
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lock this one, and keep the other.
Author:  zylum [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:30 am ]
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personaly i think ps3 will win. sure its expensive but so was the ps2 when it first came out. i think the hardware aswell as the games will appeal to more people than the wii's games because generally ps games are directed towards older consumers where as the nintendo games are more geared towards a younger audience.
Author:  Dan [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:39 am ]
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from the curent stats out there it looks like the wii is wining, they have sold more consoles and reportly there is a higher demand for a wii even tho there are more of them. Wether this is just a tempary state befor xmass or a real trend is hard to see but if more peoleop have wiis then ps3 then more peoleop will buy wii games (in theroy any how).

I think if all of the consoles lunched at the same time with the same amounts in stock the ps3 may have had a chance, but sony has made alot of screw up in the way they lunched there hardware. This i blive has diven up sales of the wii and even the xbox 360.

It realy is not a matter of what system is better just marketing. The PS3 just costs to much, well the wii is cheap and the games are cheap and it is easyer to find then a PS3. I think parents shoping for there childener are going to end up geting a wii or xbox for the aviablity and price reasons and then stay with the consoles thous increasing it's game sales.

The truth is sony is not making money or at least that much on the console and needs game sales, but curent stats say in terms of games the wii is out sellng the ps3 games by 3 to 1. This combidne with ninitendo saying that they will have 4 million wii's shiped by then end of the year seems to put the PS3 in a bad place.

Real it is a race between the xbox 360 and the wii now, will the wii catch up to the 7 million xbox 360s out there? If they keep up at the rate they are going now they will pass it in less then a year.

Edit: some curent stats: http://nexgenwars.com/
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:19 am ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
I am locking this as soon as any one flames any one.....

Console topics are one of thos debates that just don't end becues in the end they are founded in peoleops options. I have no problem with debating but if this turns in to a flame war all console topics will be locked.


Agreed.




Anyways I think that the 360 will win just because Microsoft rules pretty much everything, but you never know. As for the stats the PS3 is on top and for game play I think the Wii wins that field because of their interactive gaming style (yes I know all games are interactive but with the Wii you can actually move your arms to play rather than just your thumbs). So who knows any one of them can win.
Author:  ZeroPaladn [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:17 am ]
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I think the Xbox reallys screwed up when they released the Xbox 360, concidering all the hardware malfunctions, fauclty wiring and cooling, ect. Not only that, but the PS2 (yes, you heard me right), as of september 06, was beating the 360 in monthly sales although this will chance paces during the Xmas season.
The PS3 record isnt as messed up with their launch as with the 360, but they still need to fix things up.
The Wii has my vote. Backwards compatibility for EVERYTHING (DLing older games, can play gamecube, ect) and can be played on a non HDTV, im looking forward to newer games coming out, hopefully they can come out with something new (and good) before Xmas.
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:16 pm ]
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Playstation 2 didn't impress me, and neither with the PS3. Im not even interested in them. The X box 360 is glitchy with my experiance, So ill stick with my stable X box, which is good enough for me.

I Loved all the nentendo productucts so far, so i'm sure ill be pleased with the Wii, Though im getting it really for different experiance of gameplay from there revolutionary controller. Thats my oponion.
Author:  War_Caymore [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:15 pm ]
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I have owned My PS2 for about 2 years now, and so far it hasn't failed me yet (although i did have to rip it apart, find waht was wrong with it [most of the time faulty wiring] and repair it myself), but the PS3 hasn't been very sucessful. I did Google come reviews and there is more than what i wanted to know, I was hoping that good old sony wouldn't screw things up. They did anways.

The Xbox isn't my console of choice. Sure, there are a few good games, had a few laughs but in the end, i wasn't satisfied. The 360 still fails to impress me. it is simply a more powerful, better looking, overheating, disk melting Xbox, from the look of the titles on it right now, only one games drew my attention to the system, Gears of War.

Nintendo has always been a faithful friend to me, Giving me hours upon hours of portable entertainment. They simply dominated the portable gaming industry with the GBA, SP and with thier latest masterpeice, The DS. I think nintendo is moving more towards something new for gamers to try. The DS has a touchscreen, that works magnificently with many titles, and adds another dimention to gameplay. And now the Wii, using a motion sensor to move, shoot, exe. Nintendo is taking the WHOLE gaming industry by storm with the Wii.

My vote has been cast, and Nintendo is doing a fantastic job. Now, not only touching is good, moving is good Very Happy
Author:  zylum [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:01 pm ]
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wikipedia wrote:
Only a few million users had obtained consoles by the end of 2000 due to manufacturing delays. The PlayStation 2 was popular after its release so it was quite hard to find one on retailer shelves. Another popular option was purchasing the console online through auction websites such as eBay. The PS2 launch seemed unimpressive and gaffe-prone, compared to the well-planned launch of the Sega Dreamcast, which was making a genuine attempt to woo developers and which had better launch titles.

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Many analysts predicted a close 3-way matchup between the PS2 and its soon-to-be-released competitors Microsoft's Xbox and Nintendo's GameCube (which was the cheapest of the 3 consoles and had an open market of games). However, the release of several blockbuster games during the 2001 holiday season pushed the PS2 in order to maintain momentum and hold off its potential rivals.[2]



sounds pretty similar to whats happening right now..
Author:  Dan [ Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:30 pm ]
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Acording to this sotrey: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162509.html?sid=6162509

The PS3 might have some problems bring in moeny, with the low amountof profit per consoles and the fact that they need to sell more games then consoles that curently existc to make a profit on them.

Ninitendo claims to be making money on each unit that is has sold and since the thecnical requirments of the wii are simpler the cost of devloping a wii game is less.

In terms of profit the PS3 may have so big problems if it dose not get alot of consoles out there soon and find ways to cut devlopment costs.
Author:  zylum [ Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:31 am ]
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good points but i believe this debate is about which console will dominate the market and not about which console will make more money for the respective company. and yeah, i think i read somewhere that sony actually loses money for every console it sells Shocked but i guess once they lower manufacturing costs they will make a profit per unit sold.
Author:  Dan [ Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:04 am ]
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If it takes a devloper 8 million+ dolloars to make a game and they need to sell more then 500,000 to make any profit, i think that will have a masive impact on the console and the market. If no one makes games for your console you are out of luck.

Also if sony starts losing moeny and there is no hope in making moeny there is no reason for them to contion the product. As many anastis have side, "there will be no ps4".

I think the cheaper cost of devloping games for the wii will end up with more wii games. Add that with the fact that they are also cheaper for the end user, i think means a viturery for the wii in terms of games and consoles sold.
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:16 pm ]
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I think the problem is that the 360 and the PS3 include too many features. So they aren't really pure gaming systems but rather do anything systems and that's why they're so pricey. As for the Wii, it's only for gaming and it doesn't have all the huge processing power needed for high definition gaming. So the Wii is available to the masses which I think gives it an upper hand.
Author:  BenLi [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:36 pm ]
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I haven't participated in any debates about consoles yet since people seem so sure of themselves. However, there are more than 3 sides to the argument. I myself take this side.

I have owned a PlayStation 2 for 2 years, I am satisfied with it. I am happy with the graphics sound etc. There will be no reason for me to buy another one unless theres no place i can find ps2 games any where.

Wondering who else shares this train of thought?
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:45 pm ]
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Well I have a similar train of thought as you BenLi except in my case it's an xbox. The one thing is eventually you're going to buy one of these next gen consoles, maybe not now but t could be 3+ years in the future when you get it.
Author:  wtd [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:00 am ]
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The single most powerful reason for any preference in game consoles is typically ego. If someone purchased an Xbox, then for Microsoft to not come out on top somehow means they made the wrong choice. Someone who purchased a PS2 might very well feel the same way about the PS3, especially if they purchased it after the Xbox 360 became available.

It's all nonsense, of course, but so is most human reasoning.
Author:  Dan [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:42 am ]
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wtd wrote:
The single most powerful reason for any preference in game consoles is typically ego. If someone purchased an Xbox, then for Microsoft to not come out on top somehow means they made the wrong choice. Someone who purchased a PS2 might very well feel the same way about the PS3, especially if they purchased it after the Xbox 360 became available.


Intresting theroy but i own (or have in my house) a ps2 and gamecube (and alot of other generations of consoles) but not any 6th generation consoles (ps3, xbox 360, or wii).

The reason why i like the wii is becues i have see the qaulity of nintendos work in the past and i think there idea of what a console should be best fits my perosnal ideas. But in terms of witch console will do best, i could care less if it was wii or not. In fact i whould like it if the wii was a bit less popular so i could acuatly get one. If this topic was about what console is best you might be right but since it is about what one will win the bigest market share, the wii is just a logical choice based on curent stats about the rate at witch they are selling, the amount of games per console being sold and other information like the cost to produce a game.
Author:  wtd [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:50 am ]
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Yes Dan, but you see...

You're not normal. Smile
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:06 pm ]
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wtd wrote:
The single most powerful reason for any preference in game consoles is typically ego. If someone purchased an Xbox, then for Microsoft to not come out on top somehow means they made the wrong choice. Someone who purchased a PS2 might very well feel the same way about the PS3, especially if they purchased it after the Xbox 360 became available.

My last system was the PSOne. Aside from that, PC gaming is still far superior to all of the above mentioned. Smile
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:39 pm ]
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PC's my number one choice granted... but thats only because i have games i enjoy. i play the systems when i get a new game like no tomorrow :S..

Anyways i heard somthing like the Wii was using high definition, so if you dont use it on a HDTV the graphics look like super nintendo?
Author:  Dan [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:18 am ]
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TokenHerbz wrote:

Anyways i heard somthing like the Wii was using high definition, so if you dont use it on a HDTV the graphics look like super nintendo?


LOL, dose not quite work like that. More like if you do not use HDTV it looks a bit better then a gamecube, if you do use it it looks a bit more better then a game cube.
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:10 am ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
TokenHerbz wrote:

Anyways i heard somthing like the Wii was using high definition, so if you dont use it on a HDTV the graphics look like super nintendo?


LOL, dose not quite work like that. More like if you do not use HDTV it looks a bit better then a gamecube, if you do use it it looks a bit more better then a game cube.



So... uh, it dosn't matter?
Author:  zylum [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:55 am ]
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well the max hd the wii is capable of i believe is 480p while the 360 is 720p/1080i and the ps3 is full hd (1080p)
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:42 am ]
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yes but im wondering how would it effect the pictures running Wii on a non HDTV?
Author:  Dan [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:04 am ]
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What i ment by my post was that with out the hdtv cables or an hdtv the wii is going to look better then a gamecube, not as good as other 6th genreation systems. Noticely better then the gamecube but nothing erath shatering.

With an hdtv and hdtv cables, the wii will only look a bit cripsper. rather then being blury in some places it will be more defined and pixely. However the diffrence is rather small and it whould be hard to call it high deftion. Both are better then the gamecube but neither will come close to the xbox 360 or ps3, simpley the wii is not about that it is about game play.

Also some peoleop like the non hdtv image the wii gives more becues it gives an intresting blur effect well the hdtv image will be more cleary and give a jaged and pixetaled view.

Alot of false rummers about the wii have been started by fan boys of both sides, as well as some screen shots of the wii that are being taken out of context. Most peoleop do not realize that a noraml t.v. is at a very low resultion, if you take a viedo catpture of that t.v. and then blow it up for viewing on a computer screen it will look horiable. Alot of wii screen shots look worses then the gamecube or snes becues they have been blow far behond there inindent resltion.

Edit: a realtively unbasied site showing the diffrence between compent cables (hdtv) and noraml cables on the wii: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162297/p-2.html
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:02 am ]
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TokenHerbz wrote:
yes but im wondering how would it effect the pictures running Wii on a non HDTV?
The graphics should look the same way they do on a HD TV it's just they won't be a crisp on a regular definition TV.
Author:  wtd [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:40 am ]
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Follow-up to my earlier post:

It's the same phenomenon I see constantly with dog owners, and I run into a lot, being a dog owner, and thus communing quite frequently with that crowd.

No matter what breed (or cross-breed) of dog a person adopts or purchases, that breed instantly becomes the best breed of dog that ever was bred. It has infinite advantages, and no disadvantages.

Similarly, for most gamers, if they've spent money and time on customizing their PC for gaming, then PC gaming is by far superior in ever conceivable way. If you've spent lots of money on concole games, then the console you own is far and away the best piece of electronic equipment ever produced.

Smile
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:01 am ]
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Ah, but you can do so much more on a PC... And it's easier to get games, might I quietly add.

The only specific thing you need extra for gaming is a good video card, which I'm sure it cheaper than a console itself unless you really go overboard. The rest is just a generic computer. Sure, if the only thing you're going to be doing is gaming, I can see the advantage to getting a console, but in most other cases, PCs win hands down.
Author:  Dan [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:31 am ]
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[Gandalf] wrote:
Ah, but you can do so much more on a PC... And it's easier to get games, might I quietly add.

The only specific thing you need extra for gaming is a good video card, which I'm sure it cheaper than a console itself unless you really go overboard. The rest is just a generic computer. Sure, if the only thing you're going to be doing is gaming, I can see the advantage to getting a console, but in most other cases, PCs win hands down.


I aucatly agrea with here, witch is why i think the xbox 360 and ps3 are pointless in that they are trying to remake the pc but going back to using a t.v. for output. This seems epstaly odd to me becues both the xbox 360 and ps3 and rather out of date in terms of power when compared to a gaming pc or even just your average mondern pc.

However i blive that the Wii is bringing life back to the console world and giving it point again. Rather then trying to remake a pc and make it just faster and more powerfull, they have gone a new router inuvining brining new kinds of game play that have not been seen before. This is probly where we diffrer, you thinking that a wii is just another whont to be pc consoles and you may be right, but my hope is that you are not and the wii realy is somthing new to change the way we think about consoles.

Besides if i whonted somthing that could play evyething (blue ray, DVDs, mp3s, video files, surf the web, download things, ect) i whould just get a media center PC with t.v. in and out.
Author:  Martin [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:12 pm ]
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The nice thing about any console is that it's cheaper than a PC (even you, PS3!), and you don't have to pay for upgrades for 4 or 5 years to play the latest games. The XBox 360 caters to the hardcore gamers - with XBox Live you are essentially getting a very PC experience on your console.

As far as Sony goes, my vote goes to them for NOT being the winner, as they've managed to mess up the PS3's launch in nearly every way. Nobody can get their hands on a PS3, new ones aren't coming in fast enough, the Wii is getting stellar reviews and is a steal at $279, and the XBox 360 has a price cut around the corner.

Between the 360 and the Wii, it really depends if Nintendo can push out some good games for their console. Right now, with the exception of Zelda, all of the Wii games are just gimmicky - don't get me wrong, Wii Sports is fun, but nobody's going to be talking about it 6 months from now. I don't doubt their ability to do this, but it is essential for their plans of world domination.


In summary, as of right now, I'd say that the XBox 360 is looking to come out on top in terms of sales for the end of next year, with the Wii close behind. I have no idea what'll happen with Sony - if they manage to fix their production woes and release a few stellar titles, they could totally turn things around, but they don't have a ton of time to wait.
Author:  Neo [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:36 pm ]
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Well here's what the numbers say so far http://nexgenwars.com/. Looks like the Wii is coming on strong and may catch the 360 in 6 months or so.
Author:  Martin [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:02 pm ]
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Catching the 360 within 6 months is completely unrealistic. The high sales of the Wii is the result of pent up demand for it - after that is met, the sales will slow down.
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:37 pm ]
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Now the one thing the 360 has that no other console has is the game franchise Halo. I know once the third and final game comes out the 360 sales are going to skyrocket because of all the Halo fans who don't have a 360 already. So even if the Wii does catch up I think the 360 would gain the lead because of that one game.
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:36 pm ]
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Ugh. Consoles disgust me with their fanboyishness. Why on earth would any sane person buy a console for one freaking (crappy) game?!
Author:  md [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:47 am ]
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I am seriously considering a wii; the graphics may nto be as good as other consoles; but the controls are WAY cooler, and you can use the wii controller with any computer too Razz
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:28 am ]
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seriously? it works on comps? i doubt that.

Anyways i dont have a good tv so any system i get will look the same hehehe

Mise well get somthing with a neat controller and pimp game Smile
Author:  Dan [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:38 am ]
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TokenHerbz wrote:
seriously? it works on comps? i doubt that.


Why? It is a standered bluetooth device. Anthing with a bluetooh card in threoy could pick it up, sync with it and talk to it. The trick is just making the drivers to make the computer understand the data it is geting back.

Lucky there is a group out there that is working on just this and i blive they have realsed some beta drivers for PC, Linux and now Mac.
Author:  TokenHerbz [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:51 am ]
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neat, what could you use it with, how would you set it up, etc?

what is a blue tooth
Author:  Martin [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:03 am ]
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Unfortunately, right now you can only use the accelerometer with a PC, not the infrared. This means that the controller can detect motion but not where it's pointing - I don't know if this is because they can't plug in the sensor bar to a computer or just that the drivers are pretty primitive right now (seeing as the Wii has been out for like 3 weeks.)
Author:  Dan [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:00 am ]
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Acuactly the infred is now working with some of the drivers. The sensor bar is just a few infred leds and dose not aucatly do anything but show infered light.
Author:  War_Caymore [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:05 am ]
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[Gandalf] wrote:
Ugh. Consoles disgust me with they're fanboyishness. Why on earth would any sane person buy a console for one freaking (crappy) game?!


THANK YOU!

I agree with many of you, the 360 and the PS3 are jsut a computer with (compated to a computer) outdated harware. The only hardware that ISN'T outdated would be the PS3 blu-ray disk technology. 50GB of space (dual layer), DAMN! while the 360 is still stuck with it's old disks, the PS3 will be cranking out longer games, on less disks, with more deatil, exe... jsut because they can cram more onto one cd.
Author:  Dan [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:16 am ]
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War_Caymore wrote:
while the 360 is still stuck with it's old disks, the PS3 will be cranking out longer games, on less disks, with more deatil, exe... jsut because they can cram more onto one cd.


I very much dougth that as the production cost of a game whould sky rocket. My bet is they will be making games just about the same length as every other console if not shorter due to the more complicated production the ps3 requires.

Also i think you are forgeting nintendos easy fix for the gamecube only have 2gb disks........add another disk. It is not hard at all to give you muptial disks for a longer game, companys have being doing this since the brith of software.

Realy the duel layer disks do nothing for gaming other then increases the cost of the console and the game. It is much cheaper to just add in a 2nd dvd to a few games then install bule ray in your console and see all the games on blue ray disks. Realy this tehcnogly is only good for new movies, and that is only if the format becomes a acpented standard.
Author:  Clayton [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:01 pm ]
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The least of which the cheapest (decent) blu - ray player out there is the PS3 right now, Any other will run you anywheres around $800 before/after tax.
Author:  wtd [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:33 pm ]
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Which would be a great selling point... if anyone gave a flying rat's butt about blu-ray. Smile
Author:  Silent Avenger [ Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:25 pm ]
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Right now I don't think blu-ray is a very good selling point since I've only seen 4 different movies on blu-ray so far and that doesn't really make me want to buy a PS3 just for that because I can get the movies on HD DVD anyways.
Author:  Martin [ Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:07 pm ]
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People don't want long games - people want quality games. I think that people want an amazing 6 - 10 hour long immersive experience over a lukewarm 30 - 40 hour experience (the exception being strategy/multiplayer games, but that doesn't increase their size usually).

As far as Blu Ray goes, the big problem that they have are the advantages over a DVD. There was a quality increase from VHS to DVD, but the main selling point for DVDs was the ease of use - things like special features/commentaries and navigation, as well as being smaller and not having to rewind. From DVD to Blu Ray however, the only difference is quality. The quality jump from DVD to Blu Ray is pretty awesome, but I think that DVDs are good enough (although admittedly, I don't own an HDTV).

In any case, the console war is a marathon and not a sprint. A few blockbuster games for any console can make all of the difference in the world. Surprisingly right now, the XBox 360 is outselling both the Wii and the PS3 on a day to day basis.

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