Computer Science Canada WII: To get, or not to get... |
| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:46 am ] |
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So iv'e been hearing some good things about this new system, but the controllers and type of game play, etc have me scratching my head. Would this system be worth getting? I am looking for an alternitive for my never ending game World of Warcraft untill the expantion comes out. If i do pick one up im most definantly going to get Zelda. Which other games would you recommend? I enjoy RPG, and good Multiplayer games, and i love RTS. Current comuter games i play, WoW/ CS/ BW. I hate racing games. Anyways, if anyone got one, please share your experiance and thoughts, and ofcourse anyone who's been thinking about it, feel free to post aswell. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:51 am ] |
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If I was to get one current gen console, Wii would be it. It's cheap, it's actually feasable to get (unlike PS3) Though most importantly it offers a revolutionary new gaming style. Xbox360, PS3 - it's just the same games, just better graphics with faster hardware. Gameplay is lacking. Very appealing about Wii is that it would play all the classic Nintendo games. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:38 am ] |
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Tony wrote: Though most importantly it offers a revolutionary new gaming style. Xbox360, PS3 - it's just the same games, just better graphics with faster hardware. Gameplay is lacking. I wouldn't to so far as to say gameplay is lacking. Though, there is sadly little innovation.
Tony wrote: Very appealing about Wii is that it would play all the classic Nintendo games. To be fair, my old Xbox can play all the classic Nintendo games as well  . |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:49 am ] |
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rdrake wrote: Though, there is sadly little innovation.
That is exactly it. The new DOAX game looks like one long CG, though I think they've reduced the controls from 2 buttons down to just 1 - "start". 
I'm just looking for something new to play, and I think Wii would be it. |
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| Author: | NikG [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:53 am ] |
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I've actually given Wii a try at a coworkers place. It was a lot of fun. I tried out skiing, bowling and tennis. All were good. The tennis was especially cool: you could practically hit the ball based on how you moved your hands (i.e. move upwards for a lob, swing faster for a harder shot...) The problem is that you don't control where your character moves, you just control his/her racket. In terms of graphics, it looked good, but the games I tried were relatively cartoony, so I can't really compare how it looks to how ps3 will look. Overall, the system is VERY entertaining with a group of ppl (we were 4 at the time playing doubles tennis). That being said, I can see myself getting bored after a while, so I'm not sure about the Wii's replayability. (However, that, along with cost, are the the reasons I'm not a console gamer anyway so...) |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:13 pm ] |
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I am actually looking forward to my Wii for Xmas (well, my sisters ) Concidering the fact that it can play every game released by nintendo for its own consoles, i cannot wait for it. And the price is amazing for a first month release, compared to other systems (Xbox 360 is $550 right now, PS3 is $600+, Wii is $275ish).
I am also looking forward to the new 'nunchuku' controller. They allways seem to get the good stuff first, like the first ever 3D(kinda) games from the Visual Boy, the crappy and clunky analog controller for N64 (or does the Sega Dreamcast get that one?), Touch Screen for the DS, 'nunchuku' controller for the Wii. As for the graphics of it, i think that will be decently represented in the Zelda: Twilight Princess game. Can't wait to try that out. |
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| Author: | War_Caymore [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:41 pm ] |
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What he said. (ZeroPaladn) I am definately looking foward to the Wii for many reasons. One, the price is great, as Zero said, only ~$275, unlike the other next-gen consoles that run at least $500. Second, the nunchuk (however you spell that, i think i got it right...). Red Steel looks like an amusing game and might actualy give you sik Ninja-swords-skillz if you keep at it for a while. Also, it adds to the fact taht you must be steady, not jsut your character, adding an element of physical skill instead of "character skill". Also, I am a gheto gamer, I still play FFIII for the NES (emulated of course...) and it could be great to play it on the big screen again... and in HD (how pointless is that???) But to choose between the Next-gen consoles, Wii is definately worth every cent. As long as they keep up with the great games selection, and avoid the Gamecubes downfalls, they will surely win out the Console race. Second up is the PS3, sure it's expensive, but from what i've been eharing about the games that are coming out, it should do fine. here is where the 360 gets the short end of the stick, at launch, there were glitches, bugs, faults, you name it. I'm sure you've heard it, if you haven't, get away from your computer and crawl out of your internet accesible hole (no offence... hopefully...). I will not be buying the 360... |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:05 pm ] |
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War_Caymore wrote: unlike the other next-gen consoles that run at least $500. Xbox Core system is $400 regular price.
War_Caymore wrote: here is where the 360 gets the short end of the stick, at launch, there were glitches, bugs, faults, you name it. I'm sure you've heard it, if you haven't, get away from your computer and crawl out of your internet accesible hole (no offence... hopefully...). I will not be buying the 360... Not to say that the 360 had a flawless launch, but the PS3 had its faults too. They should have studied the 360 launch from a year earlier and fixed the flaws which followed. Having an extra year should be plenty of time to fix the flaws which it was still launched with.
Background downloading, HD cables, and playability right out of the box should be a must. Users had to first download an update (not being able to do anything in the mean time), sign up for an account, then finally go out and buy HD cables to support their TV. For such an expensive system, HD cables should be included. I should note that the 360 apparently did not allow for background downloading either at first launch. Should Sony not have learned from their mistakes? They went with a risky hardware setup... they should have expected issues. Six years should have been enough to get everything working. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:07 pm ] |
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war_crymore, have you even played the ps3? it has far more glitches than the 360. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:08 pm ] |
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Wii > PS3 > Xbox Wii is the best |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:16 pm ] |
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Personally i relay wont to get the wii however i have not been able to get my hands on one. There is alot of underhanded dealings going on in thunder bay where employees are buying there stores hole stock out and putting it on ebay. Just the other day i saw a sell from thunder bay that had 15 wiis for sale and about 15 to 20 of every game. The recents (witch you have to show pics of acording to ebay rulles) showed he bougth them all at the same zealors at the same time. I have seen the same thing with ebgames and a few others tho not with so many of them. Form what i can tell about 75% to 85% of the Wiis in thunder bay are going to ebay. Futureshop is better then most places since they do not let employs buy them and only alows one percostumer, but i am rather pissed that some of there empolys lied to me about how many they have in stack and when they are geting more (nintdeno ships weekly, they claimed they whould not get ones till late jannuray). |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:48 am ] |
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The big problem with the Wii right now is the same one that the DS had at launch - there aren't any good games for it, beyond Zelda. Wii sports is fun when you get the console, but there isn't much depth there. And then you have Zelda and... that's it. I have no doubt that there'll be some great games for it in the future, but until then I'm going to wait. The nice thing about the Wii is that hardware wise, it's essentially just a faster Gamecube, so it's probably pretty solid in terms of hardware. The XBox 360 has some really great games on it right now, and XBox live is really fun. Gears of War is an adaptation of The Odyssey, and is by far one of the best games that I've ever played. If RPGs are your thing, there's Oblivion, which will cost you many a night's sleep. As for the PS3, it doesn't matter. You can't get one. Reviewers don't seem to impressed though, which is kind of sad. Plus I'd generally recommend against getting first run hardware - if there's anything to be learned from the XBox, PS2 and XBox 360 launches, it's that there will be bugs to be worked out. EDIT: And to add, the Wii's graphics suck. This shouldn't be the reason NOT to buy the console - Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are great games, in spite of their dated graphics - but it's still something to keep in mind. I'm still pretty wowed by the 360's graphics, and I imagine the PS3 will be even better, and looking at the Wii is kind of painful. |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:54 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: And to add, the Wii's graphics suck. This shouldn't be the reason NOT to buy the console - Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are great games, in spite of their dated graphics - but it's still something to keep in mind. I'm still pretty wowed by the 360's graphics, and I imagine the PS3 will be even better, and looking at the Wii is kind of painful.
Thus returning to the long argument of which is more important, gameplay or graphics? Each has its own place in every game, and it all depends on the persons style of playing. whether you care that the graphics look like it was ripped off the N64 is completely up to you. I don't mind much about the graphics, and the Wii is slightly less gifted than its competition. I played a demo of Twilight Princess at an EB Games near my school, it aws pretty good. The one thing that amazed me was the sensitivity of the controller, how you could aim a bow just by moving your hand. It was real akward a first, but i got used to it (eventually). |
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| Author: | War_Caymore [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:36 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: And to add, the Wii's graphics suck. This shouldn't be the reason NOT to buy the console - Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are great games, in spite of their dated graphics - but it's still something to keep in mind. I'm still pretty wowed by the 360's graphics, and I imagine the PS3 will be even better, and looking at the Wii is kind of painful.
The Wii will be capable of hi def graphics, just not as great as either the 360 or PS3. Personaly, i still play quake (if you want to see outdated graphics, play quake) and enjoy the game very much. To me, it's all about the gameplay, not the graphics. it's good if the graphics "fit" the game, but it isn't really all that important. Even if the Wii is running only a 700 or 800Mhz core, it is stil capable of delivering good graphics that are idealistic for the Next-Gen consoles. But if youre really picky about graphics, stick with your PC. Andy wrote: war_crymore, have you even played the ps3? it has far more glitches than the 360.
btw, it's caymore... secondly, i have not heard about any glitches from the PS3 due to the fact that it was just released. also, have you played it? Only 300,000 were constructed for launch and nearly every one of those were pre-sold. if i hear about any glitches, i will simply wait a year to buy the console. Oh, and wasn't this a opinionable thread? it seems that youre hard on those who have thier own opinion... |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:37 pm ] |
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ok ill think ill pick one up... does it come with a controller? Do i need a memery stick? |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:03 pm ] |
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War_Caymore wrote: Martin wrote: And to add, the Wii's graphics suck. This shouldn't be the reason NOT to buy the console - Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are great games, in spite of their dated graphics - but it's still something to keep in mind. I'm still pretty wowed by the 360's graphics, and I imagine the PS3 will be even better, and looking at the Wii is kind of painful.
The Wii will be capable of hi def graphics, just not as great as either the 360 or PS3. Personaly, i still play quake (if you want to see outdated graphics, play quake) and enjoy the game very much. To me, it's all about the gameplay, not the graphics. it's good if the graphics "fit" the game, but it isn't really all that important. Even if the Wii is running only a 700 or 800Mhz core, it is stil capable of delivering good graphics that are idealistic for the Next-Gen consoles. But if youre really picky about graphics, stick with your PC. The maximum that the Wii can handle is 480p, which is 640x480 or 720x480, which is not high definition by any stretch of the imagination. Both the 360 and the PS3 support 1080[p/i]. Like I said, gameplay is more important than graphics, but graphics definitely count, and on that end the Wii isn't capable of doing anything nearly as impressive as the 360 or PS3. And from what I've seen, most XBox (as in, XBox 1) games look better than the best the Wii has to offer at the moment. |
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| Author: | War_Caymore [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:47 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: The maximum that the Wii can handle is 480p, which is 640x480 or 720x480, which is not high definition by any stretch of the imagination. Both the 360 and the PS3 support 1080[p/i]. Like I said, gameplay is more important than graphics, but graphics definitely count, and on that end the Wii isn't capable of doing anything nearly as impressive as the 360 or PS3. And from what I've seen, most XBox (as in, XBox 1) games look better than the best the Wii has to offer at the moment.
Thats it? A next-gen console that isn't capable of hi-def graphics? wow, this is surprising. I knew it wasn't going to be able to comnpate to either the 360 or PS3, but i was hoping that it would look good... TY for the correction Martin. TokenHerbz wrote: does it come with a controller? Do i need a memery stick?
it comes with one nunchuck for sure, mabey it comes with a memory card, not sure... a little help here guys... |
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| Author: | Blade [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:59 pm ] |
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i picked up a wii with zelda & cod3. its much better than i expected it to be, its not hard to play with it at all, unless you are so used to playin fps games on pc then trying COD3 on that. i got it the day it was released, between then and the wednesday afterwords i dont think anyone saw me. i put like 25 hrs on zelda. the online wii store is pretty cool too, you can download games for the nes, snes, n64, sega genesis, and turbo graphix 16. but there arent too many games up there yet. its all charged in wii points, and you can buy a cards to put points on your account. i paid 25$ for 20000 points. its like $/point. i was reading somewhere that they are going to release demos for the DS that you can download onto your wii and transfer to your ds to play as well. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:37 pm ] |
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War_Caymore wrote: Andy wrote: war_crymore, have you even played the ps3? it has far more glitches than the 360.
btw, it's caymore... War_Caymore wrote: secondly, i have not heard about any glitches from the PS3 due to the fact that it was just released. I trust you have not read reviews written by non-Sony fanboys? Please, google up some. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:18 pm ] |
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War_Crymore wrote: Oh, and wasn't this a opinionable thread? it seems that youre hard on those who have thier own opinion... i'm only hard on those who don't know what they're talking about google playstation 3 overheats wiki wrote: The PlayStation 3 was released in North America on November 17, 2006. Actual launch numbers turned out to be far less than previously expected. Analysts put the actual number between 125,000 and 175,000, Xbox360's Xenos uses Unified Shaders, while the RSX uses the classic pixle/vertex shaders http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32171 16mbps read rate of the cellchip is a major bottleneck multithreaded programming is a pain in the ass, PS3 is faster by flops, but it's very unlikely for game developers to efficiently untap the full potential. [url=http://gamecrush.blogspot.com/2006/11/why-ps3-will-fail.html ]why the ps3 will fail[/url] |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:39 pm ] |
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i never did like the Playstation systems, besides only FF games are worth playing. I do have a X-box, and its serverd its purpose well. I want somthing new and exiting though, which is why im really interested in the WII. Graphics comes last to me, i want an intence, consuming game i can play and love, and not make me bored (like all the games i have now cause i beat them). -> I can still get absorbed in my SP lol, and thats old. I have firends who've purchased the Xbox 360, and both have fried. Mitch (one of them) had his replaced 3 times and it continues to die. It also destroyed his game, which the company will not replace. Both just cut there loss's, and stoped even using the system. Iv'e had a game cube also, (which isn't the best of graphics) and i played that equilly, if not more then my Xbox. The WII looks promising, i think im going to pick it up with Zelda. Ill have to search for other games that look entertaining for more then a few days, maybe theres a super long 40hr+ RPG out there too, or a sweet Multiplayer Game. Question: I hear online is free, when is it possible to play it online? I thought i read somthing about next year, becuase there lines arn't up yet? |
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| Author: | War_Caymore [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:56 am ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: I have firends who've purchased the Xbox 360, and both have fried. Mitch (one of them) had his replaced 3 times and it continues to die. It also destroyed his game, which the company will not replace.
Both just cut there loss's, and stoped even using the system. 
Anywho, i do believe the online is free, but it won't be used for just that... you can purchase points so you can buy the old games and download them onto your Wii. 64 games will run at $15, SNES - $10, NES - $5. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:12 am ] |
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War_Caymore wrote: Anywho, i do believe the online is free, but it won't be used for just that... you can purchase points so you can buy the old games and download them onto your Wii. 64 games will run at $15, SNES - $10, NES - $5. If it's anything like the DS, then online is free. Also, I'd much rather continue to play my ROMs on the mighty Box of X rather than a Wii.
Don't you just love how nintendo produces so many accessories that are not backwards compatible and nor are the games really? If you have to buy it again, it is not backwards compatible (of course this excludes the gamecube, which truly is). Something about paying $15 for an N64 game I already bought for $70 a few years earlier just doesn't appeal to me. |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:46 am ] |
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i dont know, you kinda rebuy games all the time imo... Different vertions of games, updated games... Really, there all pretty much the same.... |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:15 pm ] |
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Does the Wii scale games up? I know that XBox games look a lot nicer on the 360 than on the XBox (Halo 2 especially). |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:22 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: I know that XBox games look a lot nicer on the 360 than on the XBox (Halo 2 especially).
Too bad only certain games are backwards compatible for the Xbox 360. I've heard that its only compatible with the Halo series and the Platinum Hits. Someone correct me if im wrong. |
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| Author: | HellblazerX [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:15 pm ] |
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Theres a list of over 200 Xbox games which are compatible for the 360, but I don't think they're all platinum hits games. Also, you can find the technical specs for the Wii here: http://wii.ign.com/launchguide/hardware1.html Not particularly impressive, but its those controllers that's attracting me to the Wii. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:01 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: Does the Wii scale games up? I know that XBox games look a lot nicer on the 360 than on the XBox (Halo 2 especially).
I know that poeleop say Game Cube games look better on the Wii. Also a point that alot of peoleop miss is that alot of us still do not have HDTV, and alot of the PS3 and xbox 360 games loses there graphics advatge over the wii on a noraml t.v. Some xbox 360 games almost become unplayable on a noraml t.v. (due to unreadable text). There is also a scaling issue with the PS3 that means if your t.v. dose not suport the right HD fromats (sizes) it will bump it back down to the same rez as the wii. Tho as any one who as been paying anation to the wii knows the wii is not about the graphics but about game play. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:33 pm ] |
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gamecube games definitely do not look better than wii games. hardware wise, the wii is exactly the same as the gamecube, except for a better gpu |
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| Author: | Clayton [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:18 pm ] |
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well either way, I think I'm going to be getting one at some point. It's just seemed so cool ever since the beginning when they let out the teasers and the code name 'Revolution' |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:34 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: gamecube games definitely do not look better than wii games. hardware wise, the wii is exactly the same as the gamecube, except for a better gpu
Is the CPU not also an evolutionary advancement on the Gekko in the GameCube? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:40 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: gamecube games definitely do not look better than wii games. hardware wise, the wii is exactly the same as the gamecube, except for a better gpu
Ok, lets look at this claim that the hardware is exactly the same as the gamecube other then just the gpu. The Game Reader: The game cube reads in mini dvds, and you place them in and close the lip. The wii can read both game cube min dvds and full size wii game dvds. It uses a disk read that pulls the game in. So is the disk reader the same? No, it can't be. The controler This is the most obvueses one, the controler is obvesly not the same, it dose not even come close. The wii controler uses blue tooth and game cube uses cord conection or a priority radio conection for wave brids. This means the contoler is not the same and the way it conects is not the same. Networking The game cube could get an eithernet or dail up apater put it, the wii has netither and uses wifi. Is it the same, not even close. Saving The game cube could only use memory cards and had to hdd. The wii has a flash based hdd, uses SD cards and memory cards. So is saving the same, no it has a hdd and suports SD cards now The case The wii is smaller then the game cube and looks nothing like it obvesly the case is not the same. T.V. Output We allrady know the gpu is diffrent and the wii suports very limited hd. So it is not the same. CPU The wii uses a new cpu from IBM called the boradway. The monther borad The mother borad can not be the same since it has to suport all of the above new adtions. USB The wii has usb ports, the game cube has none. So what is the same? Well i can suport game cube controls, memroy cards and game so i guse it is using the same kind of ports. So yes the wii is a game cube, just with a difrent mother borad, gpu, cpu, disk read, disk type, sd cards, wifi, (i blive it also has more ram), blue tooth, contorler, usb ports, case, networking methods, and interface. So behond just everything it is the same. Edit: By this logic every PC ever made uses the same hardware since they are all PC's and most of them can in theroy paly software from eraler versons. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:21 pm ] |
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well dan, looks like you know more about the wii than the engineers at nintendo. http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/shiggy/miyamoto-on-the-wii-the-hardware-is-basically-a-gc-205086.php\ looks like you were right on the graphics of game cube being better too http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/wii/wii-vs-gamecube-screenshot-comparisons-211669.php the cpu is completely different http://wii.qj.net/Wii-is-a-Gamecube-/pg/49/aid/71290 yup i'm an idiot |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:07 pm ] |
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From the same blog: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/wii/wii-backwards-compatibility-impressions-214148.php "It's surprising just how nice GameCube games look on the Wii." and about the statment Miyamoto made: http://nintendocommunity.com/the-nintendo-wii-is-not-the-game-cube/ If blogs a vaild sorces now witch your posts seems to say. And if you think the hardware is exctaly the same then yes you are an idiot. There is no logical backing to say the hardware is extaly the same, it is a completaly unreasoanl stamnet and any one who has looked at the specks of the wii knows it is unture. If you where right why can i not put a wii game in my game cube and start playing with a wii contorler. And why is my game cube not conection to my wifi network! Edit: P.S. Miyamoto is an admazing game devloper but i whould not call him an hardware engeringer (tho i could be wrong). |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:11 pm ] |
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Guys, get your priorities straight... can anyone find a bigger and better picture of Miyamoto with the Master Sword? I found one that looks decent but small. I suppose with some careful tweaking of levels and use of the rasterbator it can come out all right. ... can't believe nobody told me about these pictures before... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:16 pm ] |
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Well this one is 500 by 326: http://cache.kotaku.com/images/2006/07/shiggyzeldasword.jpg 
Edit: You can also see him play a banjo: http://images.p-nintendo.com/biographies/miyamoto-banjo.jpg |
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| Author: | Andy [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:11 am ] |
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if you read my original post, you would've noticed my point about the better gpu. thus better graphics. just like how i never said anything about Miyamoto being an hardware engineer. I'm doing software at nvidia, and i'm pretty sure i know more about the G80 than anyone else on this forum. it seems to me that every non biased source states the wii's hardware as pretty much just an gamecube upgrade. nitendocommunity is NOT an unbiased source. That being said, i was wrong in saying the hardware was exactly the same, because it's clearly not. however, other than the controller, the wii offers nothing revolutionary in terms of hardware. Just minor upgrades here and there.[/b] |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:37 am ] |
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Freakman wrote: well either way, I think I'm going to be getting one at some point. It's just seemed so cool ever since the beginning when they let out the teasers and the code name 'Revolution'
I'm still in the dark why they renamed it the "Wii"... |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 am ] |
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Wii is pronounced "we" as in, "we play together". Also, the two 'i's resemble two people playing side-by-side. The Wii is meant to be played together. On the TV commercials, the two i's bow together. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:25 am ] |
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http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=494785&page=0 I feel sorry for those 3k flat pannels |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:18 am ] |
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I feel sorry for anyone who played real tennis with fuckups like that. |
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| Author: | Silent Avenger [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:50 pm ] |
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I feel sorry for that TV it almost makes me want to cry, well not really but it would suck to wreck your 3k TV. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:25 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: however, other than the controller, the wii offers nothing revolutionary in terms of hardware. Just minor upgrades here and there.
This was the gist of what I was trying to explain to Hacker Dan on IRC yesterday. If that one point is agreed upon, then the conclusion can be made that the Wii is just a more expensive GameCube for someone who doesn't see the appeal in the controller. Sure, there are new/different games, but the same is true of any system at all. |
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| Author: | CodeMonkey2000 [ Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:48 pm ] |
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i was skepticle about the wii, but after playing it at my friends house, its soooo awsome. we played zelda:tp, and this has got to be the best lauch title in history of video games. the game play was revolutionary, when u slashed it was soo responsive, and soo satisfying, u actually felt like link. just running around hyrule fields and slashing your sword is really fun. aiming has gotten a lot faster w/ the wiimote too. you just point and aim, once youve played it, and mastered the controller(it only takes like 5 min to get used to it) you wont want 2 go back to the gc, or the ps3 or the 360. riding ur hoasre,and cutting down enemies was quiete fun too, and the dungeons were much better than ocarina. hyrule fields is massive. i also played redsteel, that game didnt implement the wiimote well. it was glitchy and the overall level design sucked. the 360 and ps3 look next gen, but the wii truely feels and plays next gen, despite haveing weaker grfx. i played gears of war, sure the grfx were amazing but the gameplay isnt anything we havent seen. resistence on the ps3 was pretty good(beter than the shooters on the wii), it implemented the sixaxis well, and 40 playrers online was fun but its nowhere as revolutionary as the wii. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:24 pm ] |
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the controller has many side effects, such as making your arm tired (which maybe a good thing since then you have to take a break) and getting some upper body exercise |
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| Author: | ericfourfour [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:26 pm ] |
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ZeroPaladn wrote: I'm still in the dark why they renamed it the "Wii"
I think Aziz is onto something but I have another explanation. "Wii" rhymes with "PS3" and "X-Box 360" and people remember things that rhyme easier. |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:20 am ] |
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either one is plausable, yet i think Aziz's makes more sense. bugzpodder wrote: the controller has many side effects, such as making your arm tired (which maybe a good thing since then you have to take a break) and getting some upper body exercise
I think Nintendo is trying to make North Americans less lazy by making a video games that forces us to move. Not that I'm complaining, its just that I might ahve to take a break while im playing my games  |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:04 pm ] |
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actually.... They tested this, and several gamers played Wii games like Zelda for over 12 hours straight, with little strain. You don't have to make radical movements, though you could. I think there are a few games which might play differently, i do not know. |
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| Author: | HellblazerX [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:59 pm ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: You don't have to make radical movements, though you could.
So then the people who injuired themselves or broke their TVs were simply going overboard with the game? My 50 inch is safe.... whew... |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:43 pm ] |
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HellblazerX wrote: TokenHerbz wrote: You don't have to make radical movements, though you could.
So then the people who injuired themselves or broke their TVs were simply going overboard with the game? My 50 inch is safe.... whew... Just lay of any body or mind distorting drugs while your playing, and you should be fine (especially you Token ) |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:35 am ] |
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haha distorting... pfft... I don't think id break anything playing a game.... |
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| Author: | Silent Avenger [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:27 pm ] |
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Watch, now that you've said that you will end up breaking something while playing a game. |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:24 am ] |
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Computer is my only system that breaks, due to virus's. I really hope i can get the Wii, WoW is getting boring, and i don't want to not buy the expo if im bored of wow! zomg! |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:19 am ] |
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Nintendo is now puting ticker staps on the controlers, so if you get a newer verson of the wii or controler you should not have this problem. Also if your strap dose break i blive nintendo will send you a new strap for free. If not they sell them for $1 on there site any how. Honstly tho you have to be a bit dumb to be whiping your controler around so hard that it could break you t.v. |
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| Author: | HellblazerX [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:03 pm ] |
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My friend tells me that breaking TVs usually happen when ppl play the bowling game. Your suppose to swing the controller forward and let go of the A button, but I guess for some ppl the A button refers to the entire controller. And apparently some ppl's hand get sweaty. But seriously, sweating from playing video games?... I dont think the Wii gives you that hard of a workout.... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:27 pm ] |
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clearly you never played one |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:05 pm ] |
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I have, and I've played the bowling game. Not for very long, but still, I can't imagine how someone would release the controller. The only time I saw someone let go of the controller while playing was when somebody was playing a darts game (in Super Monkeyball, maybe?), but even if the strap "broke" there wasn't enough force in it to reach the television. Why do we have opposable thumbs, people? |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:26 am ] |
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Mazer wrote: Why do we have opposable thumbs, people?
Why don't we have opposable toes? |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:56 pm ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: Mazer wrote: Why do we have opposable thumbs, people?
Why don't we have opposable toes? 'Cause we walk with our feet, we dont grab s*** with them. That's for monkeys to do. |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:52 pm ] |
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Wouldn't it be cool if we could see in the dark? Or even breath in water? |
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| Author: | ericfourfour [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:09 am ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: Wouldn't it be cool if we could see in the dark?
Or even breath in water? It's not that hard to do. It will just take us several hundred maybe thousands of years of living in a dark room or in the water to gain those traits. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:06 am ] |
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ericfourfour wrote: TokenHerbz wrote: Wouldn't it be cool if we could see in the dark?
Or even breath in water? It's not that hard to do. It will just take us several hundred maybe thousands of years of living in a dark room or in the water to gain those traits. Nothing can see in absoulte darkness so it would have to be just a partly dark room. Also it would probly take more then thousands of years and you whould need serveral generations of peoleop in that room. even then it is unlikey that it whould work out the way you think. Peronsaly i whould just get some night vision gogles and a subua tank.....but thats just me. |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:59 am ] |
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ericfourfour wrote: TokenHerbz wrote: Wouldn't it be cool if we could see in the dark?
Or even breath in water? It's not that hard to do. It will just take us several hundred maybe thousands of years of living in a dark room or in the water to gain those traits. First off, try millions. It's how long it took life to crawl out of the water in the first place. Second, when you come to think about it, if we could, after millions of years of evolution, we could live unterwater without aid, then we would be restricted to life under the water (like fish), and then forced to tread the surface with a tank full of water and a fishbowl-like helmet. But thats just my opinion. Lastly, i think this is getting a wee bit off topic, and I can't help but feel partly responsible. I'm gonna try to re-rail the topic... How the hell would you be able to throw a controller hard enough o break a TV?! Even if your TV was plasma/LCD, you'd have to throw it likle a freaking baseball to get the power needed. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:19 pm ] |
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I think the point that every one is missing is that the contorlers are fine affter being shot threw a t.v.
My bet is that the storyes of peoleop throwing controlers threw t.v.s is being adgatarated by fanboys of both sides and that if it happend at all it probly only happned to one person who has angermangment issues. It is rather hard to break a t.v. by throwing a small plastic object at it. |
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| Author: | ericfourfour [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:47 pm ] |
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I agree with Dan: TV vs Controller Winner == TV This isn't a case for Mythbusters.  |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:18 am ] |
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True. But... Hacker Dan wrote: I think the point that every one is missing is that the contorlers are fine affter being shot threw a t.v.
I don't much beleive that I would care about the $60 peice of replaceable equipment if it just went through my $700~$1300 Plasma/LCD HDTV. ericfourfour wrote: This isn't a case for Mythbusters.
Perhaps, they did do an episode on if a helium filled football flew further than an air filled one. Even though it never happened, the myth persisted. Verdict... Air > Helium the ball was lighter, so it had less momentum, and was affected by air resistance much more than the air one. Apparently, an football filled with air has the perfect weight, shape, and density for cutting through the air, so filling it with anything else would ahve disturbed this balance, thus the ball would have been affected negativly compared to the air filled opne. EDIT: Maybe we should ask mythbusters if they could do an episode about it... |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:00 am ] |
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Yeah where were we! Whow, alots of W's and E's HEHE.... Ah yes, evolution! If people where the better to evolve, why are there still monkeys? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:26 pm ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: Ah yes, evolution! If people where the better to evolve, why are there still monkeys? I hope you are kidding, other wise i would have to question your intelligence. Not becues you blive or do not blive in evolution but becues you think we evloded directly from monkeys. |
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| Author: | ericfourfour [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:31 pm ] |
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I'd suggest leaving evolution for a different topic (sorry if I started it) and bring this topic back on-topic. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:34 pm ] |
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ericfourfour wrote: I'd suggest leaving evolution for a different topic (sorry if I started it) and bring this topic back on-topic.
I noramly whould agrea but this is not about wether evolution is true or not it is about what the theroy of evolution aucatly says. We did not evlove from monkeys we evloved from a primate like creator witch monkeys also evolved from. We did not come from monkeys, we both came from a very distant realtive. |
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| Author: | ZeroPaladn [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:06 pm ] |
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Didn't we allready do this?!?! - Evolution vs. Creation |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:30 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: I noramly whould agrea but this is not about wether evolution is true or not it is about what the theroy of evolution aucatly says. |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:02 pm ] |
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anyone see "the descent"? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:35 pm ] |
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This topic has gone way off the orgianl point, we allready have a topic on pointlessness and another one on the wii so LOCKED. |
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