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Level up your WoW character from 1 to 50 in 11 days!

Author:	bugzpodder [ Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:20 pm ]
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http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=483418&page=0

Author:	Dan [ Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:48 pm ]
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They noramly uses boting progames for such things. I used to go to a well know boting area with a level 60 on the opising faction and kill off all the bots over and over. Was quite fun......untill they all ran away. One time i aucatly got the guy to come back from his computer and then ran affter him killing him over and over 1/2 way accross the hole world. Good times....

Author:	Tony [ Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:56 pm ]
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Dan has singlehandedly ruined (made better?) WoW for a guild-full of people

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:48 am ]
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Hehe, I read the topic and the first thing that came to mind was that a bot posted this. They're always creating topics like "Learn How To Fly In 2 Steps!"

Author:	Mazer [ Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:39 am ]
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Okie dokie. So now you've got a level 50 character. You paid, let's say, $30 or so for the game itself. And it's, what, $15 a month for the subscription? You must really be rich if you're paying someone else to play this game for you. Unless maybe that's not what the game is about. In which case, that's some fucked up game.

Author:	bugzpodder [ Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:28 am ]
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well typically it takes a normal person x months to level up from 1 to 50. just pretend having someone leveling up for you is the subscription cost of playing for x months!

Author:	Tony [ Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:11 pm ]
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great, we measure car performance in 0-60 mph and now we measure game performance in 0-60 levels. Btw, Jeremy from PurePwnage beats the build-in game limitations and gets to level 60 in two days. But he's Pro, so that's alright.

Author:	Dan [ Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:28 pm ]
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I think the best part of WoW is geting to level 60. Affter you get to level 60 if you do not have a big rading guild there is nothing to do. And some peoleop like me refuese to join such big guilds as most are 12 year old zomibes that play the game non stop and excpect you to too. Hopfully B.C. will fix all this end game stuff but it is probly just a mass moeny grab on bilzards part. Speaking of bilz i think they should just layback on there over used ban buttion and start working on fixing the game so they do not need to uses it. Next played a game befor where you could be banned form it forever for just playing it (i.e. no hacking).....well aucatly there where some other billazd games like that but you did not pay to play them online.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:42 am ]
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I'm just waiting for the WoW Expansion to come out before is tart playing again. Woot! Blood Elves!

Author:	Tony [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:27 pm ]
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the expansion is a brilliant move! Due to the exponential experience required to level, new level 70 cap will keep players grinding for months! And since your Epic lvl60 is now getting owned from suddenly being levels behind peers, it literally shifts the end-game up 10 levels and forces everyone to buy the expansion. Moneygrab or another term, it's a good business strategy. Apparently Blizzard has managed to sell (well... will sell) a trigger on their own servers that alter your level cap from 60 to 70.. $40 (or however much expo will cost) for a boolean flag! They are my heros of economics. Edit: actually I've just remembered that the difference between Windows XP Home, and XP Professional are two boolean flags on the CD. One could rip the XP Home CD, alter 2 bits of content, and burn it as XP Pro. $50~100 difference? I don't remember.

Author:	Dan [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:36 pm ]
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Aucatly the expasion is 2 parts. the 1st part is a patch for the noraml WoW witch incudls things like the level cap being moved to 70 and is free for every one who allready has WoW. The part that you have to buy allows access to the new areas in the blasted lands and access to the new races and profensions. But you are right about the gear and the way they are going to be doing this is threw jewl crafting mainly. The new person jewlcrafing will allow you to put jewles in to new items only found in the blasted lands that have slots (if any one ever played diablo, it is much like how there slots worked). Any how i whould not realy call it good business as much as a smaless method to grab even more moeny out of the allready over chared peoleop adicated to there game. Almost reminds me of microwsoft.....

Author:	Mazer [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:23 pm ]
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Tony wrote: Edit: actually I've just remembered that the difference between Windows XP Home, and XP Professional are two boolean flags on the CD. One could rip the XP Home CD, alter 2 bits of content, and burn it as XP Pro. $50~100 difference? I don't remember. What about the CD key?

Author:	Tony [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:29 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: put jewles in to new items only found in the blasted lands that have slots (if any one ever played diablo, it is much like how there slots worked). Good to know they are being original. Can't wait to get my hands on some ethreal gear (+150% stats / can't repair) and 'indestructable' jewels (can't actually break the ethreal item). Gonna onehit those lvl70 Epic nubes Oh, and I don't know about the CD Key.. I figure anything that would work with a real XP Pro

Author:	bugzpodder [ Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:37 pm ]
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Tony wrote: great, we measure car performance in 0-60 mph and now we measure game performance in 0-60 levels. Btw, Jeremy from PurePwnage beats the build-in game limitations and gets to level 60 in two days. But he's Pro, so that's alright. that also has the side effects of increasing chance of heart attack by 1000%. ppl literally die from heart attack for playing a game for too long consecutively

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:43 am ]
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i bet the expo is going to cost as much as WoW did when it first came out. Hope its worth the money, Oh hackerdan, you should try somthing me and a 60 preist did... You know that ally town in wpl, there was an idle 60 ally in there, and the preist mind controlled him over and over and over and we drownd him realllly far away, hahahaha... that was a damn good waste of an hour. And i really hope the water elementals are awsome, since the mage got screwed over the hardest in the new spells/tallents

Author:	War_Caymore [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:23 am ]
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yo bro! when is that expansion coming out? i'm gonna send u some money for you to get it for me... and mabye about a years worht of game cards, sence mum won't let me put anything on her credit card.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:35 pm ]
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Lol, rumor has it its coming out before Xmas (gamePro Mag) ans ure ill send you a copy. all you need now is a strong enough computer to run it ^.^. As for the gamecards, again, more money bro. do the math... $40 / 2 months x6 cards --------- $240. lol, start saving bro. EDIT I can't wait for the expansion either, but i never knew they would bump the level cap! (OMFG) Lol, i only got a lvel 20 Hunter(night elf), so ill start over once i get the expansion. Blood Elves! Paladins for the Horde (the one reason im getting the ex)! Shamans for the Alliance!

Author:	Dan [ Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:10 pm ]
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TokenHerbz wrote: You know that ally town in wpl, there was an idle 60 ally in there, and the preist mind controlled him over and over and over and we drownd him realllly far away, hahahaha... that was a damn good waste of an hour. I noramly just sit infront of the entrecen to booty bay and kill anything that comes threw. On the server i play on there are alot of extreamly agorgen high end guilds that have no realy skill unless they out number you 4 to 1 so it is great fun for me to take one 2 or 1 at a time and kill them. Drives them crazy and they ushely send a few groups affter me. Unfrontly i have not had much time to play or found much to do in the end game other the piss off poelop i do not like. I was going up the rank latter but affter the combinded the BGs it became imposable for a noraml person to do it. To many bots, CP traders and kids with no lives. I can't wait for the new honor system in the expasion.

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:24 am ]
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Hackerdan, you should go into the enterance of black rock spire, and mc the alliance that comes towards the instance and jump them into the lava hide in the instance if theres too many... priests can be alot of fun i bet As for booty bay, i've hid on the ship and killed lowbies on the trip, i never died on the boat 1/2 way to the other continent, but i imagine its quite a long walk back from the grave site hahahaha... You should make one jump into the water, maybe he'll get fatigude and drown. Im going to try with the priest i always game with. As for the expo, iv'e heard its coming out on halloween, or close to, October 31st... hope its true.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:24 pm ]
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Woot. Reserved a copy of the WoW Expansion. Here's the fun part, $74.99 CAD. Guess what else, WoW is now only $24.99 CAD @ EB Games. Either way, I'm getting it Nov 1st. Hope everyone else here is getting it. I got an idea. A CompSci.ca Clan ^.^

Author:	War_Caymore [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:31 pm ]
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it's a great idea but until i either get my own computer or my step-dad finaly decides to join the 21st century, i won't be playing anytime soon. i really didn't expect them to come out with an expansion pack at all, or at least not so soon. i was thinking mabey late NEXT year.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:35 pm ]
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it was inevitable. all blizzard games have an expansion pack that came with it. either way, they're bumping the level cap to 70, so lets see how that goes...

Author:	War_Caymore [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:39 pm ]
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perfect, more levels to catch up on... i really suck at grinding on that game, so even if i do get a chance to play it, my gnome mage is going to kick @$$ anyways

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:39 pm ]
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ZeroPaladn wrote: Here's the fun part, $74.99 CAD. Guess what else, WoW is now only $24.99 CAD @ EB Games. Still a huge ripoff for a shitty game? Ah well...

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:13 am ]
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not nessesarly a shitty game... but if you think about it, it does seem kinda blah, yet i find myself playing it over any other games i have. and it costs money!!! feaking mental thing maybe, addictions the word!

Author:	War_Caymore [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:54 am ]
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I have yet to see the addictiveness of this game, i played it for about a month and i was able to put it down without any side effects. ... I still need a stronger comp to run it anyways... ... Ok, i still crave WoW over the crappy RS (RuneScape) that i play now, and i always will. I guess if you play a game long enough you will bcome addicted, no matter how crappy the game. cough Darkstone for PSone cough

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:23 pm ]
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yeah i must admit that archspace (a text web browser space game) was addicting untill i found WoW.. lol mages are awsome for leveling, granted mines not fully epic, but good enough to do some serious AoE grinding. Ill be leveling fast, i hope.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:55 am ]
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War_Caymore wrote: Ok, i still crave WoW over the crappy RS (RuneScape) that i play now, and i always will. I guess if you play a game long enough you will bcome addicted, no matter how crappy the game. cough Darkstone for PSone cough ROTFL! Darkstone did suck, and i could take a piss in the tim it would take to save onto the memory card. War_Caymore wrote: ...my gnome mage is going to kick @$$ anyways LMFAO! Glass cannon! Just wait untill the expansion comes out, you'll see that gnome mages are weak. Dwarf Preists, now they're awsome.

Author:	War_Caymore [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:14 pm ]
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... i don't care how much gnome mages suck, i still want one. if you saw a midget pwning one or even two hard armors at a time, wouldn't you respect the verticaly challenged? yes, i know taht dwarven shadow preists H4x0rd5 everything in it's path, but that dose not mean that its invincible. shadow preist focus on DPS, ther fore while i'm peling you with strong magic, you will be koed while i'll still be taking DPS and eventualy be KOed as well. therfore, we both either win or lose (kinda like if you see a glass half with water)

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:12 pm ]
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War_Caymore wrote: ...yes, i know taht dwarven shadow preists H4x0rd5 everything in it's path... I was talking about Holy Preists. Tank healer.

Author:	Aziz [ Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:39 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: And some peoleop like me refuese to join such big guilds as most are 12 year old zomibes that play the game non stop and excpect you to too. I'm one of those "people like you". I totally agree. There's a few people in my course that play one, and one's a totally ass. His guild raids 4 nights a week 5:30pm-1:30am. One of those is a thursday night. We have class friday at 8am, so that means waking up at 6 for him. Not to mention, anyone else 'sucks' or is 'a flaming retard'. Especially if you don't play WoW, and play a game that's cheaper, like say, Guild Wars Factions. I was him driving to and from school (for $20 a week, and I had to basically squeeze the $40 i got for FOUR weeks) and I told him I couldn't anymore. He was like, making fun of me, and then my girl . . . I was pissed. ANYWAYS! Back on topic, his whole LIFE is WoW. It's like, okay, I don't play WoW, but I'm the one with the license (and he's 2 years older than me) and a car, I'm the one driving, I'm that one that has a girlfriend and not to mention a life in general. So I think LIFE > WOW, in this case. I hate how people like this get so damn worked up about a damn game. </rant>

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:54 am ]
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Aziz that made no sence. myself when im board ill play WoW... But when people come over, or wanna go do somthing like party, im there. Wow is just the lower form of entertainment when i have nothing else to do, otherwise im doing somthing else WoW comes last out of real life things.

Author:	Aziz [ Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:49 am ]
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TokenHerbz wrote: Aziz that made no sence. myself when im board ill play WoW... But when people come over, or wanna go do somthing like party, im there. Wow is just the lower form of entertainment when i have nothing else to do, otherwise im doing somthing else WoW comes last out of real life things. Well than I wasn't ranting about people like you. That's the way I want a game to be, low priority. But its people who make their life WoW that piss me off (espiecially if they're "you're so uncool play WoW not GAYwars")

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:51 pm ]
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Aziz i beleive was taking about the ppl who have no lives, to them, LIFE <<<< WoW. which is kinda disturbing. I can't wait for virutal reality, those kids will die of hunger/lack of sleep/parents killing them. That will eliminate most of them form the world poulation, thus solving world hunger (less ppl to feed). I can only hope. Back on topic, I used to be an obbsessive WoW player, untill the parents decided to slap a timer on the computer. I love my parents for it now, cause I actually do things other than video games. I went from WoW > LIFE to LIFE > WoW(or most other games for that matter).

Author:	Genesis [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:08 am ]
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Aziz wrote: That's the way I want a game to be, low priority. That's the way you want the game to be; don't try and impose that on everyone though. Some people take it more seriously than you; and WoW is not any less meritable an activity to occupy one's time with than anything else. Aziz wrote: But its people who make their life WoW that piss me off See, the thing is, not everyone shares the same definition of the word "life" as you. And to most people, their "life" is still going on while they're playing; whether that be for 30 minutes or 8 hours. There are two very simple reasons as to why you hate people who are more dedicated to the game than you, the first is that you're envious of their success. And whether you'll admit it or not, you do wish you were the one walking around Ironforge in the Tier 3 armour set. The second reason is that you have completely failed to understand gaming as it exists today. WoW is challenging, it is not a "waste of time." It is a dynamic, social, intellectually stimulating experience; if you want it to be. Any MMO is the same; it is an environment unlike any that exists in the real world; yet what you can learn from it carries over quite well. It holds as much merit as any other hobby/sport/activity that you can name, and in many cases combines aspects of several and presents them in a unique, easily accessible way. So just like you're not going to harp on the guy who dedicates 30 hours a week to the varsity soccer team, don't go around saying that you hate people more dedicated to WoW (or any activity) than you are. Because they have found something that they thouroughly enjoy and excel at it. They do your thing, you do yours. (That being said, there are limits to everything, and nothing is good in excess, but you are stereotyping players who have acheived more than you in-game as being less superior than you out-of-game. A statement that is blatently false.) Aziz wrote: (espiecially if they're "you're so uncool play WoW not GAYwars") What are you, 8? Suck it up. One day, when you've experienced life outside of your parent's house, you'll see that there are self-centered, egotistical, arrogant, pompous, asholes everywhere you turn in life. I can assure you that they aren't limited to the world of Azeroth. Get used to it now. ZeroPaladn wrote:* Aziz i beleive was taking about the ppl who have no lives, to them, LIFE <<<< WoW. which is kinda disturbing. Again, tell me why if someone wishes to dedicate their life to WoW, how it holds any less merit than whatever you do with your life? And why exactly you find it disturbing. ZeroPaladn wrote: I can't wait for virutal reality, those kids will die of hunger/lack of sleep/parents killing them. That will eliminate most of them form the world poulation, thus solving world hunger (less ppl to feed). I can only hope. You probably thought that sounded intelligent when you hit submit, but I can assure you that it doesn't. First of all, the majority of the people you are referring to aren't "kids" they are adults with families, and jobs and "lives" outside of the game. In the vast majority of end-game guilds, you won't find anyone younger than eighteen. Don't think that WoW is a game for kids because there are far, far more adults that play than you think. (If you think it's people like you who are working their way through Naxxramas, or any other high-end raid, you are very mistaken.) These people manage to earn a livelihood, feed themselves, sleep, in a lot of cases raise and care for a family, and still be dedicated to the game. It is called "time management." And there is absolutely nothing wrong with spending five nights a week playing WoW if that's what you'd like to do with your time. This may be hard to comprehend, but not everyone in this world wants to live the way you do. And in no way is the way you live, or strive to live, or think that we should be living, the normal state of "life" by which everyone else is judged. You are both making the assumption that everyone who is more accomplished than you in game is a social reject, and that is not true. Tell me how many end-game raiders you know in real life? One? Two? Zero? They are very normal people I can assure you, and they don't have the attitude that players like you carry. You are taking a few isolated incidents of arrogant or obssesive people mocking/taunting/or otherwise harassing you and applying their attitude to everyone. Think about everytime that someone in a high-end guild, someone who is evidently doing well for themself, has ever interacted with you in game. They don't. They don't mock people, they don't flaunt their gear, they are mature, that's how they got to that stage. If anyone has ever said anything negative to you, I can attest just from reading your posts in this thread that you were probably being an idiot and deserved it. There are some immature players who are a little bit too into themselves, who manage to run Molten Core once a week and maybe have some Tier 1 gear that they like to show off, but you have an ignore list for a reason. Use it. ZeroPaladn wrote: Back on topic, I used to be an obbsessive WoW player, untill the parents decided to slap a timer on the computer. I love my parents for it now, cause I actually do things other than video games. I went from WoW > LIFE to LIFE > WoW(or most other games for that matter). Touching story, maybe one day you'll have some willpower of your own. -- In conclusion: throw out your stupid stereotypes of WoW players who play more seriously than you do. [Edited for spelling.]

Author:	Aziz [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:57 am ]
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Damn you know I gotta comment on this one First of all, a bit of clarification: I don't play WoW. Want, but can't really dish out the $15/mo (or rather, would rather not as of now). I'm hoping I'll get it for Christmas, but who knows. That also covers the aspect of me being envious of someone being more successful. I don't play, first of all, and second of all, I think my whole post earlier lends itself to my argument. Indeed, I'm not that serious of a gamer (serious as in I don't dedicate a lot of time) and if I was, seeing someone who's better just shows me that it's possible to get there. Of course, I might just throw that goal out of the window because it requires insane ammounts of game time and repetitive farming, but it in no way makes me envious. Now, some things: Quote: What are you, 8? Suck it up. One day, when you've experienced life outside of your parent's house, you'll see that there are self-centered, egotistical, arrogant, pompous, as*holes everywhere you turn in life. I can assure you that they aren't limited to the world of Azeroth. First, a bit harsh, eh? Second, this person told me this, in class. College class. Which would be considered life outside my parent's house. I'm only home about 1/2 the time I'm not sleeping, on days I don't work. But that's not the point, not trying to defend my life. I'm actually 17, and I was just complaining about the 'coolness' fad that a lot of people who play WoW have. Not saying this about everyone who does, I know a few people, but it's the damn arrogance I see in this one type of person that pisses me off. Overall, as I said before, it's people like that who piss me off. I know quite a few good WoW players, and they're nice people, including the afformentioned player's friend. But I also know a lot of people who say "Oh look you're paying GAYways". And I'm not joking, I've heard that plenty of times. A guy says that to me, and I knows he's joking (he plays it too) but it's the one guy, who anyone who doesn't play WoW is a 'flaming retard' (been called that too). Now, he'll come up to me a say that (and then want a ride home ). But I don't react the way I'm ranting here. I just laugh in his face and tell him to suck a night-elf, or something else (un)witty. It's just a rant, folks, no need to take it serious. And here's one more. Blizzard has pretty much (as far as I can tell) given up on other projects. Where's Diablo 3? StarCraft 2? Or what about StarCraft Ghost they've been working on for years? Maybe even another WarCraft RTS? They certainly have enough money to start more projects and hire more development teams. =/ Anyone, btw, with any info on non-WoW progress, please feel free to share. And that's all I'll say today, good chap. I appreciate a person with a good sense of grammar and legitement (how the hell you spell that? oh well, no time) debate once in a while. Didn't quite appreciate the snippet about being 8 years old or getting out of my parent's house, there's no need to get personal here, but I guess it could've been worse (could've have teh 1337 ha><><orz on my ass!1!!!1one!). Now off to school, where I'll be asked to give my good ol' "buddy" a ride home, probably after sever 'retard' 'moron' and 'fag' comments. And I'll just laugh at him again Buh-bye lads.

Author:	ZeroPaladn [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:43 pm ]
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Genesis wrote: Again, tell me why if someone wishes to dedicate their life to WoW, how it holds any less merit than whatever you do with your life? And why exactly you find it disturbing. Simple. Dedicating your life to a video game (to the point where no other thing matters to you) is very disturbing. Play the game for a few months, get all your character to level 60 (or soon to be 70), and what do you have? Epic-ed out characters on a freaking GAME. In 20 years, that game will be history, 1000s of hours wasted away in front of a god damned screen, when they could have been doing somthing productive and/or learning something. Sure, video games is my escape from reality when i need something to do or i dont want to deal with the real world, but thats the thing, we live in the real world, not Azeroth. And yes, I'm well aware that there are some people who can balance games, life, and work, but i'm not refering to those people. I was hoping you'd be smart enough to fill in that blank. Genesis wrote: You probably thought that sounded intelligent when you hit submit, but I can assure you that it doesn't. I'm prety sure your old enough to understand the concept of sarcasm. I can assure you I'm not trying to sound inteligent, i jus say whats on my mind. My problem is that you had to be such an uptight *ss about the whole topic. I stated my opinion, that some people who play WoW should probably step away from it, maybe go outside, drive a car, ect, and it is exactly what it is, my opinion. EDIT Since when did you become a phsyciatrist anyways, Genesis?

Author:	1of42 [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:09 pm ]
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Frankly, everyone wastes their time on SOMETHING, so why pick on WoW players? I'm sure the answer is "because they take it too far". But who are you guys to define what's too far for someone else? note to all, I don't play WoW and never will

Author:	Genesis [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:40 pm ]
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@Aziz, first of all its fantastic to see that you can form coherent, structured and grammaticaly correct sentences; my respect for you has increased ten-fold. And I will admit that a bit of what I directed at you was actually more pertinent to the ZeroPaladn, for which I apologize. All in all you seem to understand what I was getting at and I really don't have any desire to start an argument. Don't take anything personally either; it wasn't meant to be. I enjoy debating, not making cheap-shots, sorry if thats what it came off as. As for ZeroPaladn, you still don't understand. ZeroPaladn wrote: Simple. Dedicating your life to a video game (to the point where no other thing matters to you) is very disturbing. To the point where nothing else matters, as in things like eating, sleeping, jobs and school is excessive. Few people take it to that degree; don't blow things out of proportion. Quote: "ZeroPaladn"]Play the game for a few months, get all your character to level 60 (or soon to be 70), and what do you have? Epic-ed out characters on a freaking GAME. In 20 years, that game will be history, 1000s of hours wasted away in front of a god damned screen, when they could have been doing somthing productive and/or learning something. See for one it's pretty obvious you have little if any experience in end-game content. (Or any content above 30 for that matter because thats when it starts to get serious.) You make it sound like you log-on, walk into an instance and sit around for 16 hours without eating until "Oh hey, some epic gear came by!" You work for it. Let me give you a breakdown of how things work in a high-end guild. If its Tuesday night, and the guild raids at 8:00, you get yourself online for 7:00 to make sure you get your spot. You learn to be punctual; because nobody wants to wait around for you; and quite frankly you are probably replaceable so no one will wait around for you. You learn to be responsible because people are counting on you. I'm not sure if you've ever been in a 40-man raid before; but you don't just stand around and attack something until it dies. You have to coordinate everything. You have to do your job, when you're supposed to do it, and you have to do it right. Because the other 39 guys are depending on you to do it right. Whether the boss calls for someone to take turns tanking, take turns mind controlling an enemy, take turns kiting, whatever; everything is executed based on a pre-determined plan. You learn to use your skill to its maximum potential and innovate in ways you'd probably never think of. (ie. There is a point in Naxxramas where no tank is strong enough to hold the boss; so the priests, have to rotate between healing duty and mind controlling another boss to tank the one you're fighting. It is critical that they time their casting to a tee. This is not something you typically see elsewhere in the game, and not only did some group of people have to think the idea of doing this up, they had to succesfully implement it too.) So you learn how to follow orders, you learn how to work as a team, you learn how to be part of a team, and eventually you're going to find yourself leading a team. Because one person can't deal with 39 people's inquiries, or give instructions to every single person, you have to learn to manage your group of 5, 10 or however many people. It becomes your responsibility to make sure that they know what's going on, that you know what's going on, and that any questions/concerns/ideas/etc. are dealt with in a timely manner. You learn to be diplomatic, you learn to deal with problems. Sometimes people are unhappy with decisions that you or others make and you have to deal with it. That's how it goes. You also have to think, you learn to be adaptable. Sometimes the plan you went in with isn't working and it needs to be revised. So you analyze your situation; you change your strategies and tactics. The game is dynamic, you have to be to. You learn to deal with new problems as they arise and learn from past mistakes; and eventually, be it 3 hours later or 3 months later, you overcome the challenge that you undertook, and you get your reward. And you move on to the next challenge; the game never ends, the problem solving never ends, you're constantly forced to be on your feet. If you happen to be in an instance that is new, at a point that no one has documented how to overcome, I can assure you it is an extremely difficult and nerve-wracking position. But it is also quite exhilerating. Go read a guide on C'thun, the final boss from AQ40, or The Four Horsemen from Naxx, and you tell me if you possess not only the willpower, brainpower, and determination to come up with, from scratch, learning as you go, the strategies employed to defeat them; but if you have the leadership ability to keep 39 other people motivated and with you doing it 6 nights a week. And in a lot of cases thats what it takes. But when you've accomplished it, it's a great feeling; much like any acccomplishment in life, and you've learned a hell of a lot from it. (Seriously go watch some videos of what happens in these instances and you'll understand the amount of coordination it requires.) I think you said that you have a level 20 hunter, so you probably haven't had any need for Ventrilo or Teamspeak, but believe it or not, you're also talking to people while you do this, because its quite impossible to coordinate through text. So now there's a degree of social interaction too; where you have to be able to communicate, clearly, and quickly what you need to say. When you're not raiding, you're working to do other things for the guild. Gather materials for recipes, help others with high-end quests, whatever. You learn to contribute to the community. Maybe engage in some good ole fashioned Player vs. Player combat and test your skills against another thinking human being, trying to outsmart and outplay them. There's a ton of stuff to be doing. And if I ever find some down-time while I'm playing, I'll usually go and help out some lower-level players; and many people will do the same -- learn that you weren't always where you are at present, and respect that fact. And this doesn't just apply to 40-man raids, it applies to PvP guilds, guilds who maybe only run Stratholme or UBRS, it applies to solo players who find pick up groups for anything. You, and some number of other people are banding together to overcome challenges that you typically wouldn't face in the real world. And while you'll never have to fight an acid-breathing dragon in the real world, you may just find yourself on a team, or leading a team of people that functions in the exact same way. So don't tell me that I am not learning anything from my experiences in WoW just because you aren't learning anything from yours. In my eyes it is an extremely productive use of time if that's what you make of it. And sure, in 20 years the game will be history, but the skill that you take it from it certainly won't be. ZeroPaladn wrote: Sure, video games is my escape from reality when i need something to do or i dont want to deal with the real world, but thats the thing, we live in the real world, not Azeroth. And yes, I'm well aware that there are some people who can balance games, life, and work, but i'm not refering to those people. That is how you see games, and that is fine. But don't go around saying that everyone else should be seeing them that way too. We live in the real world yes, and thats important to remember, but if you can't draw parallels between the two, then you may want to sit down and think a little harder. WoW can teach you some very important life skills if you let it. You see games as they were 20 years ago; you see them as GAMES, you don't let yourself learn because subconciously you think that all you're doing is staring at a screen. I'm not gonna tell you that you can learn a whole lot from playing Super Mario 3, but understand that games have changed. And as they stand, they can quite quickly become a microcosm of society (above I didn't get into half of the skills that you can pick up from Wow, it has it's own economy, just think of what you can learn from that alone.) And as long as you know where to draw the line, they are very valid ways to occupy your time. ZeroPaladn wrote: I was hoping you'd be smart enough to fill in that blank. A) There was no blank. B) Don't insult my intelligence; because I think that I have quite clearly exhibited a fairly high level of professionalism in my posting. -- And I'm not being an uptight ass, you stated your opinion (sarcastically or not) using an analogy that sees everyone who in your eyes plays too much World of Warcraft, dying. And I wrote a rebuttle, stating that you are generalizing, and that the vast, vast majority of these people step away from the game quite frequently, drive cars, go outside, and do a whole lot of other things with their time. And you don't need to be a psychiatrist to analyze someone's psyche.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:51 pm ]
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Abaaahh! I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a game a bit more seriously than a game (ie. co-ordinating things, creating teams, etc), but I also think we can all agree that once something gets addicting it's not good for you. I'm pretty sure a lot of those hard core WoW players are simply addicted to it because MMORPGs are more prone to become addicting than mostly any other kind of game. My $0.37.

Author:	Genesis [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:22 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: Abaaahh! I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a game a bit more seriously than a game (ie. co-ordinating things, creating teams, etc), but I also think we can all agree that once something gets addicting it's not good for you. I'm pretty sure a lot of those hard core WoW players are simply addicted to it because MMORPGs are more prone to become addicting than mostly any other kind of game. My $0.37. Naturally when something becomes an addiction, it becomes a problem. And I recognize that WoW can become addicting, but it is often not the ones who are addicted that do well; but the ones who learn how to dedicate themselves to it in a healthy way. And too often the people who fall under the latter category are assumed to be the same as the people of the former. Which is something that I strongly disagree with (as you may have noticed.)

Author:	Aziz [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:55 pm ]
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Damnit, I just spent about 20 minutes posting in the Java forum, and now this. What about Guild Wars :'( Guess none tonight. Anywho, I'm glad to see you're mature. I, too, respect that. I've always thought that video games were educational, if used right. Even NES games provide great hand-eye coordination (especially platformers). Now, more advanced games, such as Chrono Trigger/Cross or the FF series promote great challenges and require thinking. Don't get me started on the puzzle games. And as you grow older, you can learn more. For example, any game I play, I find myself thinking how they coded that part, or what physics properties they've used. But no more of that. A question of WoW, that might get me into it. Do you need to be dedicated to get a lot out of it? And be in a guild? You mentioned solo players. Is it still possible to get a lot (if not all) of the game soloing and only playing a minimal ammount of hours?

Author:	TokenHerbz [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:53 am ]
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I am in a smaller guild unable to run 40 man instances. We do 20 man like ZG and AQ20, but they dosn't mean i cant run the 40 man's. Think is its alot harder to complete the instances, when you are in a pug, (which is like alot of people with crappy - epic gears) that kinda form up and tackle on the boss's. And everyone who needs an item fropped will roll on it. Pugs have a much higher failure rate, but it is possible to get epics, and not be in a guild. Guilds have alot more benifits though, especially with the DKP system some use, which pretty much guarentee's you epic items aslong as you run the raids. Also take into the fact, that some instances need to be "40 man epic", thus means everyone in that raid needs to be epic to beat it easily. a 40 man pug w/ no good gear will probably never down any boss in BLW, where as a guild with 40 epics (gained from easier instances, such as MC) will down boss's. Time is everything, in WoW. To get far in the game, you need to dedicate time into the game.

Author:	Dan [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:15 pm ]
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Personaly i have had it with WoW, i chancled my acount, uninstalled it and whent out to ebgames and bought auto assault. Auto Assault is a MMORPG with cars with guns and using a very simualr system as WoW (in fact it is cleary they copyed some ideas) but it fixes alot of problems that it has (like the WoW honnor system). Also since it is also a 3rd person car dirving shooter it is also funner to play then standing in one place and wating for a spell to cast. Plus it has a destroable evnerment for the most part so if a building gets in your way you can blow it to hell. It's still a yong game compared to other MMORPGs and less then a year old so it has some rougth spots but i think i have had more fun playing it in the last 3 days then i have had the hole time playing WoW. So come join me in AA, they meraged all there servers in to one so dose not matter where you play other then your faction (unless you whont to fight ) P.S. You can't have my WoW epics (tho most are BoE/BoP), gold or acount....

Author:	Aziz [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:23 am ]
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How much was the game? It sound friggin sweet.

Author:	Dan [ Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:33 pm ]
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Aziz wrote: How much was the game? It sound friggin sweet. I got the limited edtion verson witch came with the game (on dvd), a free head set (it game has bulit in voide over ip for groups), the sound track of the game, about 10 14 day free trails to other games and a limited edtion in game pet for $20 at EB Games. I am not shure if that is the noraml price tho. I have seen it inbtween $20 to $40 cnd but i whould not buy it for more then 20 since you can get it for that. It costs the same as WoW per month (i think $15/month) and like WoW they have a recuret a friend and get free time. There is a free 14 day trail on fileplanet, tho fileplanet whonts you to download there client witch means you have to subscribe to fileplanet, but i think you could just download the hole thing from the AA ftp server. There are alot of exWoW players on there from what i have found and it looks like the devs have played WoW since they steal the stuff that works and improve on it. I whould recomend trying it first and then buying it if you like it if you can get a trail copy.

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