Computer Science Canada Petition to destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities |
| Author: | Sheila_Israel [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Petition to destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities |
While you are reading this, the Iranian reactor produces enriched bomb-grade uranium. Terrorists can deliver that bomb to your city, and it can kill you and your children. Yet the government does nothing. Do we demand violence? Not in any common sense. Similarly, police use force to arrest criminals in order to stop violence. But Iran is not a criminal? Wrong. Iran has proven malicious intent. Iran, under the current regime, conducted many terrorist bombings in the West, and sponsors deadly terrorists. Iranian leaders repeatedly called for fight against the United States and annihilation of Israel. Perhaps Iran needs nuclear weapons for self-defense? No. Iran already bullies the Middle East with its huge conventional army. No country threatens Iran. Since the eighth-century jihad and the Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna, the West has never been exposed to such threat. Iran's several nuclear bombs can inflict more damage on America than the World War II. Never before the Islamic fundamentalists who hate the West and dream of attacking it had military might of apocalyptic dimensions. Are you crazy to doubt they will use the bomb? We call on the United States: Do not hesitate. Protect your people. Protect your allies. Destroy the Iranian reactor! To sign the petition, visit Snip! |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:33 pm ] |
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You are a product of mass propaganda. I hope this thread is deleted. |
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| Author: | TheFerret [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:36 pm ] |
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Why would we get the US to do it when this is a Canadian site, we are not war people like the country below us... |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:49 pm ] |
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Below not only graphically but morally, etc. Also cooly. As in Canada > USA |
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| Author: | md [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:56 pm ] |
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Did anyone else look into the whole "liquid explosives" thing recently? It's like the terrorism "experts" took a page from hollywood with the stuff. If anyone had even bothered to look into what they said hte terrorists were trying to make they'd have found that it was rediculously implosible (if not impossible). Keeping people from blowing up airplanes, or killing everyone on them isn't possible anyways. It's kinda like when people still used big multiplexed mainframes in computing labs. People would take pride in being able to take down the lab machine though on programming hack or another; there is no way to keep people from doing so as there will always be bugs. But one group just added a system call to crash the machine and made it executable by anyone. Once the challenge went away it wasn't fun any more and people stopped doing it. Once terrorism ceases to gain the widespread attention it does now people will stop doing it. The point in terrorism is to get a message across after all; if no one is listening then what's the point? 'Course terrorism is now a catch-all phrase for anything "evil" or "immoral"; and I highly doubt that the populace which now lives on fear is going to back down from that fear... especially when the powers that be can so easily use it for control (no conspiracy theories here, just plain possibilities). |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:15 am ] |
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Quote: The people terrorists kill are not the targets; they are collateral damage. The real targets of terrorism are the rest of us: the billions who are not killed but are terrorized because of the killing. The real point of terrorism is not the act itself, but our reaction to the act. And we're doing exactly what the terrorists want. Refuse to be Terrorized |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:54 pm ] |
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tony: good link I'm pretty sure this sheila person is a bot, so I would just delete the account and this thread - it's just a waste of time. |
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| Author: | Clayton [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:17 pm ] |
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either way this thread should really be locked/deleted... but anyways, TheFerret makes a good point: why sign an American petition? I dont understand the logic behind that one 
@1of42 : i dont thing CompSci admins can actually delete a profile/account, just ban them  |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:06 pm ] |
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actually Dan and I can do surprisingly a lot. I'm pretty sure that deleting an account will actually make all of the posts appear to have been made by 'guest' This thread doesn't have to be locked as long as people post on the topic itself, and not the fact that it was originated by a bot. |
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| Author: | Clayton [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:08 pm ] |
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ive only seen one post on these forums that have been made by "guest", can guests actually post here anymore, or are they forced to sign up if they want to post? on topic: i was talking to a friend today (after my first post) and he actually brought up this very petition, and his views (in polite words) were very anti-American on this one (plus he didnt think the idea of signing an American petition was right (like me)) |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:20 pm ] |
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I aucatly did delete this post befor but aprently he posted it again. If he is not banned allready he is now. Perosnaly i find it rather sickining that political gorups/partys whould try to market there planforms by using spam bots and trying to pretend to be younger persons posting on message borads. Now about this aucatl subject of iran havin nucler weaponds.....dose any one eltes find it irorick that the contry most oposed to iran having nucler power is the conotry with the most nucler weaponds in the world? I say that befor they go around pointing fingures at peoleop they should get ride of there own nulcer wepaonds. |
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| Author: | md [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:22 pm ] |
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It's not really ironic. The US wants Iran to stop trying to make nuclear weapons (iirc they don't have one yet; but are close). The US on the other hand has the weapons and is building more. The thing that will be most interesting is what will happen when Iran does make a nuke. Either the US ill back off, or it'll be instant war. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:05 pm ] |
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Maybe not ironic but deftaly hypticritacal. I do not trust the U.S. with a nuke any more then i trust iran. Perosanly i think if they make a nuke they will back wayyyy off. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:26 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: The thing that will be most interesting is what will happen when Iran does make a nuke. Either the US ill back off, or it'll be instant war.
DEFCON (the game)! |
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| Author: | Clayton [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:37 pm ] |
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Interesting, very interesting, and could become very real if Iran (or anyone else for that matter) creates nuclear/biological weapons of mass destruction... |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:57 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: (the game)
I can't wait until Cervantes gets here.  |
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| Author: | md [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:57 pm ] |
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Mazer wrote: Tony wrote: (the game)
I can't wait until Cervantes gets here. I'd lose; but I just lost in the IRC channel. |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:05 pm ] |
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In regards to the states and their weapons, I thought since the Cold War both US and Russia are destroying their nukes slowly. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:09 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: Mazer wrote: Tony wrote: (the game)
I can't wait until Cervantes gets here. I'd lose; but I just lost in the IRC channel. I lost both times. Damn me for occassionaly paying attention to you monkeys. |
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| Author: | BenLi [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:45 pm ] |
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i think USA see's it self as a world moderator of sorts and its justification of having nuclear weaponry being its to protect the world from the middle East. And the defcon game looks interesting and highly satirical |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:42 pm ] |
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I wish I could get defcon as a native linux app; and not tied to steam... oh well. The reason the US is building new nukes is to show that they haven't forgotten how; and to develop smaller tactical sized nukes. Right now all that they have is 30-40 year old multi-megaton warheads that destroy entire cities. What they want are brand new smaller warheads that will level 6 or 7 square blocks. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:21 pm ] |
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actually nativly supported Linux and OSX versons of DEFCON _might_ come out in November. I'd probably get a copy if so. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:11 pm ] |
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SuperFreak82 wrote: either way this thread should really be locked/deleted...
but anyways, TheFerret makes a good point: why sign an American petition? I dont understand the logic behind that one
@1of42 : i dont thing CompSci admins can actually delete a profile/account, just ban them No, they can delete accounts. The accounts' posts will then be referenced to a new guest account with the same name as the person who was deleted. *edit* As for Iran, I think the world (read: the USA) has every right to deprive them of nuclea weapons, since I don't think any single person in the world can make a convincing argument as to why they would benefit anyone. However, that's different from depriving them of the right to encrch uranium - which IS a right that they have. Their unfortunate stance on foreign affairs notwithstanding, that's not a good enough reason to do what's being done. |
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| Author: | TokenHerbz [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:02 am ] |
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simply put: There will always be war.... back in the day it was with spears, and arrows., now its with wepons like guns, and planes.... Soon, it will be with bombs, why? because they have them... US wants to be the only one with nukes, to stay invincable, and make the world develope there ways. Countires like iraq dont like us ways and will fight to keep there laws/ etc:, and us is changing that forcfully. Next will be china, and thus WW3 will begin... becayse china has an army.... |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:53 pm ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: simply put: There will always be war....
back in the day it was with spears, and arrows., now its with wepons like guns, and planes.... Soon, it will be with bombs, why? because they have them... US wants to be the only one with nukes, to stay invincable, and make the world develope there ways. Countires like iraq dont like us ways and will fight to keep there laws/ etc:, and us is changing that forcfully. Next will be china, and thus WW3 will begin... becayse china has an army.... Umm... I htink you should maybe refrain from talking about things you clearly don't entirely comprehend... |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:50 pm ] |
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TokenHerbz wrote: Next will be china, and thus WW3 will begin... becayse china has an army....
I'd have to agree with Cornflake, you don't really understand what you're talking about. U.S. and China are in bed, and are best pals, so it's kind of awkward, but very very hot. U.S. love's China's cheap goods, and can't get enough imports. From China's perspective, U.S. is an economic gold-mine, allowing them the kind of crazy economic growth rates as it has. Furthermore major corporations like Google and Microsoft assist Chinese government with information control. Load up the Chinese Google portal, and search for how Microsoft handed over personal information of a blogger so that he could be arrested. |
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| Author: | codemage [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:29 pm ] |
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The US is buying China bit by bit *because* they fear what an economically independent China could do. China, on the other hand, is creating their economic policy in such a way that they can cut the US loose once they have their footings. I don't believe in fearmongering - but China easily has the potential to eclipse the US economically. (Their growth rates are ludicrous). I'm not saying we should fear Chinese nukes, but capitalist politics are essentially an extension of economics... and military force is essentially an extension of politics... |
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