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Apple Runs Windows, Pigs Fly.

Author:	Martin [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:56 am ]
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Click. This was Apple's way of saying "Hey all you people who spend hundreds of hours hacking at this... look what we can do."

Author:	Tony [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:17 am ]
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well if the hack was already out and spread, why not support it? Besides, this way a Mac that runs both OSX and Windows becomes just so much more attractive to buy than a PC that runs Windows alone.

Author:	1of42 [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:18 pm ]
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Tony wrote: well if the hack was already out and spread, why not support it? Besides, this way a Mac that runs both OSX and Windows becomes just so much more attractive to buy than a PC that runs Windows alone. No, because Mac software is really the only good thing about Macs (and I say good in a very contingent way). Mac hardware BLOWS.

Author:	shorthair [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:11 pm ]
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you mean MAC , samne as anyother PC hardware. you obviously know nothing of whats inside an intel mac

Author:	Tony [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:15 pm ]
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1of42 wrote: Mac hardware BLOWS. oh yes, good thing those PCs don't use any Intel chips Though I think allowing access to both OSes is really the key in letting users try out OSX for the first time. It's kind of like a safety rope - if you slip and fall, you could reboot, load Windows and try OSX again later. So this does make Macs more attractive to those hessitant users who weren't sure before. Increased hardware sales = more profits, and more importanly more exposure for Apple. They are betting (and I would too) that once you let someone use both OSes on the same computer, they would start to take preference of OSX.

Author:	wtd [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:10 pm ]
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shorthair wrote: you mean MAC :: goes insane :: It's "Mac". MAC is an acronym. "Mac" is an abbreviation of "Macintosh".

Author:	Tony [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:36 pm ]
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as in MAC address - Media Access Control address) something that is unique to an ethernet card (or other such networking devises), not just fruity flavoured computers

Author:	Andy [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:53 pm ]
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of course mac's blow.. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/mac_fastest_core_duo_laptop/ clearly performance advantage with the samesetup is a minus by everyone's standard

Author:	1of42 [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:49 pm ]
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shorthair wrote: you mean MAC , samne as anyother PC hardware. you obviously know nothing of whats inside an intel mac No, I mean Mac, bad price:speed ratio. That's what I mean. Andy: The Mac won by 1 second on an 11 minute script run time. It won by this much on 1 single benchmark. Further, while it might be the fastest on that specific benchmark, it had damn well better destroy the Acer on gaming - because the Acer was a good 1000 off winning 3DMark05, and lost the gaming benchmarks by wide margins. No thanks. Now, MacOS running on PCs might be nice. This, not so much.

Author:	rizzix [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:51 pm ]
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As far as laptops are considered, it's only Apple an Lenovo (IBM) that stand out.

Author:	wtd [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:19 pm ]
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In surveys Apple consistently ranks the highest among laptop manufacturers for customer satisfaction. This comes from asking people who've actually shelled out the money and purchased a Mac laptop. Far and away the majority of people complaining about the Mac are those who've not used them.

Author:	Martin [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:07 pm ]
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wtd wrote: In surveys Apple consistently ranks the highest among laptop manufacturers for customer satisfaction. This comes from asking people who've actually shelled out the money and purchased a Mac laptop. Far and away the majority of people complaining about the Mac are those who've not used them. I'm not sure how much I trust Apple customer's opinions. I know some people who would still give Apple a five star satisfaction rating if their house burnt down because of their computer. Even if the computer did it intentionally. That said, my iMac is the nicest hardware that I've ever owned. rizzix wrote: As far as laptops are considered, it's only Apple an Lenovo (IBM) that stand out. I'm a fan of Toshiba's laptops. If I were to get another laptop, it'd probably be a Toshiba.

Author:	wtd [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:24 pm ]
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Martin wrote: wtd wrote: In surveys Apple consistently ranks the highest among laptop manufacturers for customer satisfaction. This comes from asking people who've actually shelled out the money and purchased a Mac laptop. Far and away the majority of people complaining about the Mac are those who've not used them. I'm not sure how much I trust Apple customer's opinions. I know some people who would still give Apple a five star satisfaction rating if their house burnt down because of their computer. Even if the computer did it intentionally. But of course you're just one very rare exception to that rule? Something to ponder: Windows machines are vastly more widespread than Macs. Thus, it stands to reason that Mac users are vastly more likely to have experience with other manufacturers' product than users of those computers are to have experience with Macs. Yet they still choose to use and buy Macs. You may find that there are a lot more cross-platform savvy Mac users than you think.

Author:	Martin [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:40 pm ]
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Oh yeah, I don't dispute that Macs are excellent computers. I just like to give Maccies a hard time. My friends call me the closet maccie.

Author:	apomb [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:08 pm ]
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haha martin, you love to see people squirm eh? ... sheesh

Author:	Andy [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:15 pm ]
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1of42 wrote: shorthair wrote: you mean MAC , samne as anyother PC hardware. you obviously know nothing of whats inside an intel mac No, I mean Mac, bad price:speed ratio. That's what I mean. Andy: The Mac won by 1 second on an 11 minute script run time. It won by this much on 1 single benchmark. Further, while it might be the fastest on that specific benchmark, it had damn well better destroy the Acer on gaming - because the Acer was a good 1000 off winning 3DMark05, and lost the gaming benchmarks by wide margins. No thanks. Now, MacOS running on PCs might be nice. This, not so much. that's because it had no graphics drivers no shit the acer would own it in 3dmark

Author:	shorthair [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:26 pm ]
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I dont get hte whole price argument. it really is on par with products of hte same quality. the one point ive never made before , is hte case. has anyone thought about the materials used. Look at those slick MacBook Pro's , no plastic to be seen , solid sleek and sturdy design. same with the desktops , a well made , good metal PC case will run you over 100$$ EASY. and people like to compare power macs to dells. stuff like that anoys me. People never seem to remember the insanely great software that comes with a Mac, stuff that works together so seamlessly its amazing. And ofcourse OSX. Dont forget the wonderful orm factor and quality of build. thats worth an extra 200 - 300 To me. And thats where the price point usually is, when you break it all down. the MBP's are about 300$ than laptops with almost similar specs ( most dont have the impressive iSight , or any of the software). Anyone who says macs are way to expensive has never broken down the price. Its not like they make huge money on them , your paying for what you get. your not getting ripped off. its easy to put crap parts in a pc and dress it in a crap case. Sorry for the long post , its just annoying.

Author:	codemage [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:45 am ]
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In a market where you can get a barebone PC for $500, there aren't many users who want to shell out seven times that for a top-of-the-line beast. Quote: Apple's market share is bigger than BMW's or Mercedes's or Porsche's in the automotive market. What's wrong with being BMW or Mercedes? - Steve Jobs Do I want to spend $150,000 for a shiny red status symbol, or do I opt for a $25000 Toyota that is two thirds as good for a fraction of the cost, and costs far less to maintain, upgrade and or repair? What Steve realizes, and what too many others don't, is that there isn't much appeal in any market for Porches. The #1 motivating factor in the PC market is price. Are Macs a beautiful thing? Sure. I like the idea of Porches, but I'll never buy one.

Author:	wtd [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:13 pm ]
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If what you're looking for is a sports car, then Toyota offers nothing in North America at least that will compete with a Porsche. The closest Japanese offering will be a Nissan Skyline GT-R, and that'll run you a fair deal more than a comparable Porsche. Yes, you can buy a barebones PC for less than a Mac. If you buy less, then you should pay less. This is just basic economics. I think you are mistaken about the general market. There is a huge market waiting to be tapped, and Apple is doing the best job of going after it. That market is comprised of people who've spent years upon years buying PCs "because everyone has one" without really finding a good reason to have one. Sure communication (e-mail, IM, telephony) has provided a good excuse, but the technology we've got is good enough for that for now and the foreseeable future. Thus it's being commoditized by companies like Vonage. It's no longer a good excuse for buying a new PC. So, what can make buying a new PC appealing? Apple is trying to answer that question with things like regular releases of iLife. Remember, it's no deal if you don't get what you want. You can sell a barebones PC for $199, but if it doesn't do anything that people want, it isn't a good price. If you want a sports car, then yes you can buy a Camry and save $40,000, but you'll be out $25,000 and you won't have a sports car. So, have you saved $40,000, or squandered $25,000? If you buy a barebones PC for $199, but it doesn't do anything your current PC can't already do, then you're out $199 and you've accomplished nothing. Plus, at that pricepoint, youy're not making any profit, and likely loosing a bit. If you're losing money on each sale, then popularity is a liability.

Author:	Andy [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:11 pm ]
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what about subaru impreza subaru impreza sti and mitsubishi lancer evolution? they're called ferarri killers for a reason

Author:	Tony [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:56 pm ]
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yeah, I have a quote here.. Aoi wrote: I want to go to bed with [Subaru WRX STi] Though then again it is my understanding that she would go to bed with a lot of things Though anyways, that car will cost you $50 000 just for the basic package. Clearly well above a "barebone" Civic

Author:	Andy [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:01 pm ]
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I was just refering to wtd's comment about japanese cars not being able to compete with american.. also http://www.rodmillen.com/UCelica.htm

Author:	Tony [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:06 pm ]
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I'm pretty sure that Ferrari is Italian, and Porsche is German.. America has like.. Ford.. and it's crap.

Author:	wtd [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:15 pm ]
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Andy wrote: I was just refering to wtd's comment about japanese cars not being able to compete with american.. Porsche is not an American company. There are very few if any American-designed cars that can even begin to compete. Perhaps the Viper or Corvette, and neither of those is as well-balanced a car as the German sports cars. Plus, you're again talking about a substatial premium to get one of those. Andy wrote: also http://www.rodmillen.com/UCelica.htm It's a custom car? If it were actually made so that you could realistically buy one, what kind of price tag do you think it would wear? The same as a base Corolla? This is not a Japanese cars vs. the world thing. It's a matter of the fact that, for the most part, you get what you pay for. You cannot expect to spent $20,000 and get a Porsche killer. In the same way, you cannot pay $200 for a barebones PC and expect to get the equivalent of a $1,500 Apple machine. That said, maybe the $200 barebones PC is what you want. That's great. That's why those machines exist: because there is a legitimate market for them. There is a market for the machines Apple sells because people want them, and are willing to pay the price Apple asks.

Author:	Andy [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:40 pm ]
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oops i meant in america.. sry not thinking straight.. but yeah i was just being a dick. and that's not corolla based wtd.. it's celica, gosh it's so sexy

Author:	wtd [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:40 pm ]
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Well, I'm pretty sure that sexy refers more to something like:

Author:	Andy [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:24 pm ]
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it's a toyota! must be good on the gas still =P plus that lamborghini frontal look sure hits the spot

Author:	Tony_G. [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:22 pm ]
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Actually the fact that it can now run Windows too doesn't mean a thing to me since I don't like using Macs to begin with :p.

Author:	Tony [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:29 am ]
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and since your opinion is not based on any factual information, it's not really applicable to the discussion now, since we're comparing Macs to sports cars, all should check out iAlertU - a security system for the Mac Book Pros. More specifically the demo video

Author:	Martin [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:16 pm ]
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iS anyone else sick of the iPrefix on everything that has to do with Apple (and things that don't have anything to do with them)?

Author:	wtd [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:19 pm ]
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I have no problem with it. All product names in the final estimation are incredibly stupid. However, if it makes you feel better, "iBook" is going to die, to be replaced by the MacBook.

Author:	Martin [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:00 pm ]
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...followed by the replacement of the iMac with the brand new Apple MacMac.

Author:	wtd [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:01 am ]
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Nawww... They just want "Mac" in all of the names. The iMac is already there. "PowerMac", hpwever may go, as Jobs stated they were done with Power.

Author:	codemage [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:02 am ]
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It's no less annoying than the prefix e- for everything electronic or computerized. It also makes naming conventions a no-brainer. Apple comes out with an electronic waffle iron... call it the iWaffle. A vacuum cleaner that plays music? The iSuck. It takes creative naming out of the marketing process.

Author:	wtd [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:21 am ]
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codemage wrote: It also makes naming conventions a no-brainer. Apple comes out with an electronic waffle iron... call it the iWaffle. A vacuum cleaner that plays music? The iSuck. It takes creative naming out of the marketing process. Yes, Apple has had no creativity in naming for the last few years. I mean, look at all of the stuff that begins with "i": Safari, Dashboard, Automator, Panther, Tiger, Spotlight, Quartz, Airport, Aqua... Oh wait.... none of those begins with "i".

Author:	codemage [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:15 pm ]
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iSafari, iDashboard, iAutomator, iPanther, iSpotlight, iQuartz, iAirport are all either copyrighted products or websites already. That leaves iAqua... which is a town in California, and iTiger... still up for grabs as of the time of this post. Apple can still grab iTiger. :/

Author:	rizzix [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:34 pm ]
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Don't worry the next release of OSX is dubbed Leopard and not iLeopard.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:58 pm ]
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wtd wrote: codemage wrote: It also makes naming conventions a no-brainer. Apple comes out with an electronic waffle iron... call it the iWaffle. A vacuum cleaner that plays music? The iSuck. It takes creative naming out of the marketing process. Yes, Apple has had no creativity in naming for the last few years. I mean, look at all of the stuff that begins with "i": Safari, Dashboard, Automator, Panther, Tiger, Spotlight, Quartz, Airport, Aqua... Oh wait.... none of those begins with "i". iPod, iMac, iSight, iWeb, iBook, iWork, iDVD, iTunes, iLife, etc., not to mention all of the other non Apple iProducts. I like iWork, it's a good play on words. iPod can stay too. Otherwise, meh. Seems more than a bit over used.

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