Computer Science Canada Who uses Bell High Speed? |
Author: | Amailer [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:43 pm ] |
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If you use it, did you know that they upgraded the speeds? Also... do you notice any speed changes -.- I surly don't (grrr) getting less speeds than the original plan |
Author: | Dan [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:49 pm ] |
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I used to and i know they did some upgrades to the speed along time ago. But it should be noted that your bell dsl router has a max speed cap bother in it's firmware and hardware. You mayhave to upgrade it to get faster speeds, witch bell will not be happy with. Also dsl speeds are directly realted to distance from the station. And if bell is being evil they could be adding more peoleop on the same line witch means you share speed. Edit: it should also be noted that hacking your router to remove the cap is a feadal ofsences and i know that at least in the U.S. peoloep have been arseted for it. |
Author: | Amailer [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:57 pm ] |
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But if we want it to at least come CLOSE to the speeds they advertise... what on earth do we do? Ask for a new box? |
Author: | Dan [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:59 pm ] |
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I whould call up techsuport and complain to them for a bit, tho consdering your "problems" with your isp befor idk if you whould whont to push them much. |
Author: | cool dude [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:41 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: And if bell is being evil they could be adding more peoleop on the same line witch means you share speed.
maybe thats why i'm getting charged extra every month for bandwidth overuse ![]() ![]() |
Author: | brenn [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:01 pm ] |
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THEY WHAT?! But.. I checked the fine print.... Mine's supposed to be unlimited (no cap) ._.; They haven't been charging me extra any. I can't keep track of my bandwidth usage because I share with roomates. EDIT: omg a chess piece! XDD *continues reading Weiss Side B* |
Author: | Tony [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:07 pm ] |
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brenn wrote: THEY WHAT?!
cap the transfer speed, not total bandwidth used ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Martin [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:24 pm ] |
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I'm gonna go crazy when I come back. Right now I have 50mbps down, 3mbps up, and unlimited bandwidth. Theoretically, this means I should see a maximum of 6.25mb/s downloads and 375kb/s up, but I haven't seen more than 3000kb/s down and 200kb/s up. Under $40/month too. Canada's gonna kill me. |
Author: | brenn [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:24 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: brenn wrote: THEY WHAT?!
cap the transfer speed, not total bandwidth used ![]() ![]() I was responding partially to the post immediately above mine. Read the post. |
Author: | Amailer [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:09 pm ] |
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You don't get charged for bandwidth on Bell High Speed (Ultra) anymore, if they did- well... my bandwidth is 53GB over so ![]() Also, I talked to the tech online support and they said they did infact upgrade the speeds AND..... they are in a testing phrase of upgrading Ultra to... (he said not to quote me on this) 12mbps DOWN apprently o.O Which is pretty damn goood ![]() |
Author: | Mazer [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:36 am ] |
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Dammit all, I can never tell when people actually mean to say 'b' or if they're too lazy to hit shift and say 'B'. |
Author: | md [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:42 am ] |
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Good thing rogers doesn't charge either... last month I was at a total usage of 238GB (gigabytes minsc) when the limit is supposed to be 102... |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:25 pm ] |
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Mazer wrote: Dammit all, I can never tell when people actually mean to say 'b' or if they're too lazy to hit shift and say 'B'.
I agree, but I think it's pretty obvious that megabits are what's being referred to here, although sometimes it does get confusing. Cornflake wrote: last month I was at a total usage of 238GB (gigabytes minsc)
Minsc? Who? Where? ![]() |
Author: | cool dude [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:14 pm ] |
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thats crazy!!! u guys r going to laugh when u hear this. my bandwidth was 4 GB which honestly i dunno how because i was not downloading that month anything ![]() |
Author: | md [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:29 pm ] |
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4GB?! I use more then that on an average day... on days when I don't run any filesharing at all I still use ~100-200MB a day. 100MB x 30 days == 3GB per month without downloading anything. |
Author: | cool dude [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:03 pm ] |
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good thing u don't use sympatico! check this out [/url] http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&category_id=82&content_id=104 [url] this is why i'm being charged because there limit is so low and how can u possibly stay under? i also have wireless connection and that wastes more bandwidth so i might be switching internet comanies, or upgrading to highspeed.[/url] |
Author: | Mazer [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:05 pm ] |
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This is horrifying. I've been hearing from so many people with cable internet saying there there is a bandwidth limit but nobody does anything about you going WAY over it every month. And now I hear this? It's just sympatico we're talking about, right? |
Author: | cool dude [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:15 pm ] |
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ya but when i called they wanted to promote me to get there ultra which costs like twice as much as mine saying that it has no bandwidth limit. but i don't donwload that much anyways so there is no point, but i'm getting frustrated with them that they're charging us so much more. the other month they charged us $30 extra and even there ultra internet doesn't charge that much more. its insane! |
Author: | MysticVegeta [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:27 pm ] |
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I use SHAW since I am in AB -.-'' |
Author: | md [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:51 pm ] |
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Rogers does apparently care (at least according to their site), but they didn't do anything to me... note that that was only one month though. If I was consistantly using that mcuh they might be more inclined to do something. Usually I only use ~97-100GB a month which is just under the limit. |
Author: | Amailer [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:36 pm ] |
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You only get charged by sympatico if your on their basic (or lower) plan -.- which sucks btw. Best plan at the moment is High Speed, even Ultra before the upgrades was a rip off (2Mb<- extra and you pay like 15$ more XD) |
Author: | codemage [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:06 am ] |
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Cornflake wrote: Good thing rogers doesn't charge either... last month I was at a total usage of 238GB (gigabytes minsc) when the limit is supposed to be 102...
They've changed the limit from 60GB since last time I was notified by email for going over. At that time, going over two months in a row would suspend your account. |
Author: | Mazer [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:11 am ] |
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How long ago was that? |
Author: | codemage [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:37 am ] |
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A bit over a year. It sounded like they have a policy on curbing the top 5% of bandwidth users. Perhaps they keep adjusting that nubmer as the average user starts sucking down more data. The article here is complete tripe, but it confirms the cap. I've been limiting myself to about 55GB monthly since then. http://www.bombippy.com/archives/2005/02/rogers_cable_to.php It makes their business offer of extreme/express highspeed seem like a rip-off. What? Increase my speed by 100% so I can be over the cap twice as fast? |
Author: | md [ Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:39 am ] |
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The limit is 102GB (bytes) a month. If you go over once they warn you, the second time you have to agree not to do it again or some such nonsense and the third time it's more severe. I'm not exactly sure what the exact policy is... but I do know that I have yet to be warned. |
Author: | codemage [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:38 am ] |
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That's news to me, and I appreciate it. That's a heck of a lot more downloading room for uh... freeware and copies of movies I already own. |
Author: | Albrecd [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:37 pm ] |
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I get a 28kb/s Dial-Up connection. I live too far out of town to get high speed, and if I could there's NO WAY I'd use Bell. The reason I only get 28k is the phone line that comes down my road. Bell refuses to fix it, even though it's broken in some places and when it rains, our connection gets cut off (stupid monopolies ![]() |
Author: | Neo [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:19 pm ] |
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I get a whopping 16kB/s down and 8kB/s up, shared between 3 computers... ![]() |
Author: | Amailer [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:56 am ] |
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Hehe this is a dead topic I know but check this out, more news on the 12 Mbps... saddly its expensive (well -- expected) but the real crap part is that the upload speed is the same o.O Quote: 12 Meg Service : Sympatico Supreme
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- During the month of February, Sympatico will be releasing a limited deployment of the Supreme service which will allow Customers to access a 12 Meg High Speed Service. At this point in time, all Customers have already been pre-selected in the Toronto area (Leaside). During this period you may notice the following pop-up in #@$@#$@ when you have come across a trial Member. Background Information The 12 Meg service (labeled "Supreme") will allow Customers to have access to a guaranteed 12 Meg service. There are no maintenance profiles for this service, if the Customer cannot obtain the 12 Meg Service, they will need to downgrade to a different speed profile (i.e. 3 Meg). Each of these Customers will be using Lucent Technology therefore $%#$%#$%#$% will not be used to troubleshoot line issues. All new and existing Customers will receive a full install at no charge. They will also receive a new wireless home networking modem with a slightly different firmware version. ( Modem will be received with the AA1 firmware.) Troubleshooting and escalation procedures remain the same. The "Estimated Sync Rate" field in PSQT will display 12M if a Customer in this area qualifies for the service. Pricing Service will be priced at 99.99$ per month (#$#@$@#$#@ - Non-contract), wireless home networking modem and full install charge will be waived. There will also be a contract offer at 99.99$ per month (#$#$@#$@#) and a back pocket contract offer of 89.99$ per month (#$@$@#$@). The full install fee should be waived on these accounts. Customers on the Supreme service are not eligible for the digital bundles. Impacts to Elevate If a Member already active on this service calls-in requesting the addition of VAS services, you are NOT authorized to sell any available service in Elevate. Available VAS to these Customers will be the same as the Ultra service, notably: Gamesmania, Kidsmania and Games Pack Security Services, including Anti-Spyware MSN Premium Internet Care Note: Notice that NO Home Networking option should be available because it is part of the initial package. Availability The Leaside area of Toronto (approximately 5000 people). SMS will not be promoting this product to the Customer base. SMS Agents are not to attempt an up sell of this product at this point in time. New orders with go through the #$%$#%#%@$%#@%@#%#@%$#@$#@. Tracking in @#$@#$@ Please use the "12 Meg" selection from the special tracking field in Remedy. Scripting If a Member calls to inquire about the service: "Mr. /Mrs. Customer, currently the Sympatico Supreme service is in limited deployment for a designated area of the city of Toronto , and the potential Member base has already been pre selected. We are running this deployment to ensure that all technological requirements meet the Bell quality service and standards. More information will be provided in the future. We thank-you for your patience and understanding with this matter." |
Author: | md [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:09 am ] |
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That's the other problem with "High speed", the upload rate is crap. Sometimes my upload is so saturated that I can't send more requests for downloadign things; which means that I can't saturate the download. Then of course there is hte whole "no running a service of any kind", and then packet shaping to limit what you can actually use your connection for... It's pretty rediculous. I don't mind ISP's limiting how much you use in a month; because they have to pay for that bandwidth too. But limiting types of traffic, and providing such horrible upload that you can't do anything are rather poor. Actually, traffic shaping might even be illegal. |
Author: | Amailer [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:24 pm ] |
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What? Bell doesn't allow you to run web servers? ![]() du du du.... |
Author: | TheFerret [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:25 pm ] |
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I've had Sympatico for a few years and there is no caps right now (there was though more than a year ago though), I'm running two servers right now from my home computer and they don't care about it... Also, there is no packet shapping since I can and most of the time do get full speeds on things I download... Cornflake wrote: That's the other problem with "High speed", the upload rate is crap. Sometimes my upload is so saturated that I can't send more requests for downloadign things; which means that I can't saturate the download.
Then of course there is hte whole "no running a service of any kind", and then packet shaping to limit what you can actually use your connection for... It's pretty rediculous. I don't mind ISP's limiting how much you use in a month; because they have to pay for that bandwidth too. But limiting types of traffic, and providing such horrible upload that you can't do anything are rather poor. Actually, traffic shaping might even be illegal. |
Author: | md [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:49 pm ] |
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They don't care because they don't know. If you suddenly get lots of traffic and they notice then they will care. Note that services are as broad as online games; if people are connecting to you then that counts. I don't know what sympatico's user agreement is; but I've read roger's user agreement... and it's not exactly light. You agree to all sorts of rediculous things (not allowed to partake in or launch a class action suit for example). My original point though was that you pay $XX for high speed a month, and yet what you get is not a simple pipe; but a pipe will all sorts of limitations and conditions. |
Author: | TokenHerbz [ Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:09 pm ] |
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i got norcom high speed, which is slow as hell, (im thinking its my comp) but i'll find out soon enough. |
Author: | codemage [ Mon May 01, 2006 9:14 am ] |
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I think most ISPs have a ban on servers to cover their legal bases. If you're running a server and they get complaints, or you overuse bandwidth, or the content isn't strictly legal - it's an easy way for them to disown you and pull the plug. I doubt they enforce the rule if you're just running a low-bandwidth game server or host site. Re: upload saturation - a lot of big-bandwidth apps will let you set a cap on uploads. For instance, P2P programs should never be set at unlimited upload bandwidth, or they will choke themselves. Setting programs like this at your optimum bandwidth *minus 5K* is usually sufficient to keep things from getting saturated. ie - for Rogers, a good upload limit is max (40K) - 5K = 35K. |
Author: | md [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:06 am ] |
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40k? Let's see... my upload is 800kb/s which makes it 100kB/s... so then the optimum for using almost all of my bandwidth (why would I want that anyways?) is 95kB/s ![]() The legal excuse isn't actually true. In canada ISPs cannot be held accountable for the actions of their subscribers. If you run a server with questionable content and your ISP doesn't shut you down (and they know about it) then they would then be liable as well (at least theoretically). If you contract says nothing on the topic of servers though then your good for hosting; and they are covered liability wise. Bandwidth might be a good reason; but since you already know you have a limit and you must be provided with at least that much bandwidth under you contract there's really no good reason here either. If your server causes you to go over your limit then they can shut you off or do whatever they feel is appropriate. If it doesn't then who cares. |
Author: | codemage [ Mon May 01, 2006 11:07 am ] |
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It gives them an extra option in legal cases though. Why not give themselves another out in case a judge disagrees with the legality of actions or of limiting bandwidth? You breached contract sections A, B and C is a stronger suit than You breached contract section A Some product disclaimers actually prohibit their intended / obvious use, with the idea that they can disclaim just about any liability. It's a ridiculous practice, but the courts uphold them for the most part. |
Author: | rizzix [ Mon May 01, 2006 12:55 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: They don't care because they don't know. If you suddenly get lots of traffic and they notice then they will care. Note that services are as broad as online games; if people are connecting to you then that counts. Actually Bell does not care. They cap your upload speed limit, but they really don't care what you do with it -- whether you host servers or not.
My friend had once called them for tech support for his webserver -- a port forwarding issue -- they told him that this was not part of their support, bla, bla.. and that he might have to contact the manufactures of his router etc.. They did not mention that webserving was not allowed.. |
Author: | md [ Mon May 01, 2006 1:24 pm ] |
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You're right; I just read the Bell user agreement. There is no mention of servers at all... most curious. There are however definitely limits on what you are allowe to do: Quote: Your Service is solely for your personal and non-commercial use; without limitation, you may not use the Service or any equipment provided in connection with the Service for operation of an Internet service provider's business or for any other non-residential purpose. Harassing or abusive language or actions, whether verbal, written or otherwise, of Your Service Provider's employees, suppliers, agents and representatives is strictly prohibited and will not be tolerated. You are prohibited from using the Service for activities that include, but are not limited to: * Transmitting unsolicited messages which, in the sole judgement of Your Service Provider, cause significant disruption or elicit complaints from other Internet users. * Restricting or inhibiting any other user from using or enjoying the Internet, impairing the operations or efficiency of the Service or creating an unusually large burden on our networks. * Harassing users or groups in any way including but not limited to defaming, abusing, stalking, threatening or otherwise violating the legal rights of others. * Impersonating other Sympatico subscribers or other Internet service providers' subscribers in any way. * Uploading or downloading, transmitting, posting, publishing, disseminating, receiving, retrieving, storing or otherwise reproducing, distributing or providing access to information, software, files or other material which (i) are protected by copyright or other intellectual property rights, without prior authorization form the rights holder(s); (ii) are defamatory, obscene, child pornography or hate literature; or (iii) constitute invasion of privacy, appropriation of personality, or unauthorized linking or framing. * Falsifying or deleting any author attributions, legal or other proper notices or proprietary designations or labels of the origin or source of software or other material contained in a file. * Transmitting, posting, publishing, disseminating, receiving, retrieving, storing or otherwise reproducing, distributing or providing access to any files, program or information designed to assist users in defeating copy-protection, registration and any other anti-theft mechanisms associated with commercial or shareware programs. * Transmitting, posting, receiving, retrieving, storing or otherwise reproducing, distributing or providing access to any program or information designed to assist in the fraudulent use of telecommunications services. * Using an Internet host's resources in a manner which is not authorized by its administrators. This includes mail relaying, transmitting chain letters, make-money-fast or pyramid style schemes of any sort. * Posting or transmitting any information or software which contains a virus, "cancelbot", "trojan horse", "worm" or other harmful or disruptive component. * Transmitting, posting, receiving, retrieving, storing or otherwise reproducing, distributing or providing access to any program or information constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offence or give rise to civil liability. * Violating or breaching any applicable laws and/or regulations. |
Author: | Dan [ Mon May 01, 2006 5:37 pm ] |
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They do not care if you host a persoanl server but if you are making moeny off it then it will violate the ToS. Also that "non-residential purpose" part and the "Using an Internet host's resources in a manner which is not authorized by its administrators....... " part could be used to shout you down if you where runing a server. Tho i find it unlikey that they whould care about a small personal server. But if you try to start up a hosting company off your local ISP you may get in to some legal issues. |
Author: | Amailer [ Mon May 01, 2006 10:10 pm ] |
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ahem.... ![]() Either way... I talked to the bell guys too and asked them some info about my home server (was a while ago when I wasn't able to get the server running on port 80) they said they don't give support for that, thats all XD |