Computer Science Canada Are you proud to be Indian? |
| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:16 pm ] |
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Are you proud to be Indian? As in a person who lives in India (Asia) Q. Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems? A. Vinod Khosla Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of the today's computers run on it)? A. Vinod Dahm Q. Who is the third richest man on the world? A. According to the latest report on Fortune Magazine, it is Aziz Premji, who is the CEO of Wipro Industries. The Sultan of Brunei is at 6th position now. Q. Who are the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's No.1 web based email program)? A. Sabeer Bhatia Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)? A. Arun Netravalli Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard? A. Rajiv Gupta Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000, responsible to iron out all initial problems? A. Sanjay Tejwrika Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart? A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar. Q. We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even faring better than the whites and the natives. There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET, 38% of doctors in USA are Indians. 12% scientists in USA are Indians. 36% of NASA scientists are Indians. 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians. 28% of IBM employees are Indians. 17% of INTEL scientists are Indians. 13% of XEROX employees are Indians. You may know some of the following facts. These facts were recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA. 1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history. 2. India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented 'zero.' 3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education. 4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software. 5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. 6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth. 7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. 8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before the European mathematicians. 9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from Inida. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 1053. 10. According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world. 11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. 12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra. 13. Chess was invented in India. 14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. 15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). 16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quotes about India We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made. Albert Einstein. India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition. Mark Twain. If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India. Frech scholar Romain Rolland. India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border. Hu Shih.(Former Chinese ambassador to USA) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THE LIST COULD BE ENDLESS. BUT, if we don't see even a glimpse of that great India in the India that we see today, it clearly means that we are not working up to our potential; and that if we do, we could once again be an evershining and inspiring country setting a bright path for rest of the world to follow. I hope you enjoyed it and work towards the welfare of INDIA. Say proudly, I AM AN INDIAN. Jai Hind Well after reading this, I certainly am! yay for indians!! (aka brown people) |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:34 pm ] |
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not to burst your bubble, though seeing as how India fast approaching the top spot for country's population (already in excess of 1 billion) it is obvious that some will turn out to be successful. Same could be said about China. Due to strict imigration policies, mostly: smart, educated, and economically fit people make it from India to U.S. and Canada. As such the representation of professionals is scewed. Looking back at who's unable to move: Columbia University Press Encyclopedia wrote: Economically, India often seems like two separate countries: village India, supported by primitive agriculture, where tens of millions"”one fourth of population"”live below the poverty line; and urban India, one of the most heavily industrialized areas in the world, with an increasingly middle-class population. Agriculture (about 55% of the land is arable) makes up some 25% of the gross domestic product (GDP) and employs almost 70% of the Indian people. So there you have it. Yes there are some Indian people in high positions. There are white people in higher positions - Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:38 pm ] |
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The article doesnt imply "Only indians have good jobs there" Also, if "smart and fit" indians do come to US and Canada, they are immigrants (duh) It is quite hard to get assimilated into a new country and make our way up to the top, if they are born in US and Canada, then its a different thing, but most in the list are not. And the article does deals with the history too, not just the job positions of people... |
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| Author: | person [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:40 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: 1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history. 2. India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented 'zero.' 3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education. 4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software. 5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. 6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth. 7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. 8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before the European mathematicians. 9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from Inida. Quadratic equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 1053. 10. According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world. 11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. 12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra. 13. Chess was invented in India. 14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. 15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). 16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. No offense, but some of these facts just dont matter on how great india is. Also, some of the ones that do matter are wrong. I am happy to point them out to you if you would like. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:41 pm ] |
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All of those suck! RUSSELL PETERS ==> REASON TO BE PROUD |
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| Author: | person [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:46 pm ] |
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Amailer wrote: RUSSELL PETERS
Why is his last name Peters? Isnt it like not indian? |
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| Author: | Delos [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:47 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians. Does that include call-centre employees out-sourced to Bharat-desh? MysticVegeta wrote: India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history. Now how about invasion within the country? Let's not forget Operation Blue Star... Either way, cool list of facts. But why, oh why, didn't you (or your source) include Russel Peters in there anywhere? He's done enough to merit that I'd say. Edit: Ah! About 2 minutes, and Amailer beats me to the Russel-Punch! And person, no, nothing wrong with that. A lot of immigrants (of various cultures, nationalities etc) assimilated their names as their emmigrated. Especially in cultures where last names are not a significant artefact, people would often take their profession as their last name, hence Mr. Doctor is not something to scoff at! Also, inter-cultural marriage has blurred a lot of lines when it comes to last names - and this has been going on for a *long* time. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:35 pm ] |
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Why are we darwing lines based on race and geografical location? Dose it realy matter? We are all human and have both good and bad moments. Unfrontly it seems such lines are casuing more and more of thess bad moments thess days. I don't see why we can't all treat each other as equals and with respect dispite race, relgion, loclation or sexulaity? You say proud to be Indian, i say asmaned to be human with the way things are going. Lets chage that..... |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:46 pm ] |
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person wrote: Amailer wrote: RUSSELL PETERS
Why is his last name Peters? Isnt it like not indian? I hope that you're referencing one of his jokes. |
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| Author: | Delos [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:56 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Why are we darwing lines based on race...
Interesting fact: every attempt to classify people based up "race" has failed miserably. Why? People are just too diverse, even in a given Geographic region, and many cultural groups are adverse to being bunched together with another different society simply because they share similar melanin depositions. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:01 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Why are we darwing lines based on race and geografical location? Dose it realy matter? We are all human and have both good and bad moments. Unfrontly it seems such lines are casuing more and more of thess bad moments thess days. I don't see why we can't all treat each other as equals and with respect dispite race, relgion, loclation or sexulaity?
You say proud to be Indian, i say asmaned to be human with the way things are going. Lets chage that..... LOL what has the thread grown to! I am not differentiating anything/anyone, I am just making my brothers proud so stop flaming me guys lol |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:10 pm ] |
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Maybe not race eh? I don't really think of humanity as consisting of different races.. probably cuz I too much of a trekkie But definitly of different cultures and philosophies.. Infact within India it self there's a difference in cultures. At one point.. back in those days, India was a collection of empires.. but they all called them self India? :s (well i'm confused here.. but i know there was more than one king.. ruling different lands etc..) |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:33 pm ] |
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yeah but we had to come together to throw the british empire out "non-violently" and it forgot to mention, it is the only country to achieve independance using non-violence. |
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| Author: | person [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:35 pm ] |
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canada |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:38 pm ] |
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canada didnt get "rid" of the british, the british didnt treat them as slaves and why would they, because they were the british! |
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| Author: | person [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:46 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: canada didnt get "rid" of the british, the british didnt treat them as slaves and why would they, because they were the british!
I'm usually not so picky about grammar, but... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:05 pm ] |
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I realy do not whont to get in to this our conotry is better then yours thing or take sides but thecaly canada has still yet to get "rid" of the british. Thecanly we are the dominion of canada and still have a respestive of the queen in our goverment who can dislove it. Tho legaly we are our own conotry of corses. |
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| Author: | Delos [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:20 pm ] |
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And on a totally related note, NANA the Movie totally rocked. Wasn't too chuffed with the ending, but hey, if I wanted a better ending I'd've read the manga. Top-rate acting by the two lead females...not so much by some of the other cast though. Ai Yazawa-sensei, anata wa hontoni sugoi desu. Uh, is that correct? Still don't know enough Japanese to say that properly...[sigh]. Soon though, soon. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:10 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: thecaly canada has still yet to get "rid" of the british. Thecanly we are the dominion of canada and still have a respestive of the queen in our goverment who can dislove it.
That's just a formality of a custom. Canada is independent as in Britan cannot pass a law in Canada, not can they deny us passing any of our own laws. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:21 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: Hacker Dan wrote: thecaly canada has still yet to get "rid" of the british. Thecanly we are the dominion of canada and still have a respestive of the queen in our goverment who can dislove it.
That's just a formality of a custom. Canada is independent as in Britan cannot pass a law in Canada, not can they deny us passing any of our own laws. Ture it is custom and formality but the way our legal stuff is writen thecaly the queen sitll controls us. But this whould never happen since we whould reject it instatly and they whould have no way of inforcing it. This is why the lieutenant govertnor is apointed by the queen and is to atack as the queens repsentive and in theroy is the only one who can dislove goverment. Of corses being formality the govertnor dose not realy do anything and asking them to dislove the goverment is only formality when calling an election. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:55 pm ] |
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Delos wrote: And on a totally related note, NANA the Movie totally rocked. Wasn't too chuffed with the ending, but hey, if I wanted a better ending I'd've read the manga. Top-rate acting by the two lead females...not so much by some of the other cast though.
Ai Yazawa-sensei, anata wa hontoni sugoi desu. Uh, is that correct? Still don't know enough Japanese to say that properly...[sigh]. Soon though, soon. Good ol' Delos, that's why we keep you around. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:56 pm ] |
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person wrote: MysticVegeta wrote: canada didnt get "rid" of the british, the british didnt treat them as slaves and why would they, because they were the british!
I'm usually not so picky about grammar, but... Uh, I think you meant you are not so picky about facts. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:01 pm ] |
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http://english.people.com.cn/200206/13/eng20020613_97778.shtml http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1232.html http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5205102.html http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/china.html http://www.goddesschess.com/chessays/sloanhistory.html big link number 1 big link number 2 http://www.geocities.com/lady_lizzie/info.html just to name a few.. i'll spend more time tomorrow. get your sources straight, dont just cpy and paste Links edited by Nick to prevent further horizontal rape of his fully maximised browser on his widescreen display. |
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| Author: | chrispminis [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:03 am ] |
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Nice links Andy. Even though they disprove many of Mystic's points, (which shouldn't be up without back-up or people like Andy will do what Andy just did) the Indian people still have much to be proud of. Meanwhile, ASIAN PRIDE! ASIANS RULE!! Me= Chinese EDIT : Edited since the page got extended by the links. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:22 am ] |
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chrispminis wrote: Meanwhile, ASIAN PRIDE!
maybe you could explain why you have bitter asian men's sad panda as your avatar then |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:30 am ] |
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lol yes bitter asian men.. we're bitter because people like tony keeps on stealing our women.. damn you pretty white boys.. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:20 am ] |
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I guess Earth will never be united until an alien life form tries to come by and destroy us. Wtf, all? |
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| Author: | Delos [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:56 am ] |
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Mazer wrote: Good ol' Delos, that's why we keep you around.
I was hoping that it was for my thought-provoking insights, general helpfulness, and dashing good looks - but meh, I can live with that. Coutsos wrote: I guess Earth will never be united until an alien life form tries to come by and destroy us. Wtf, all? Yeah, let's all Go To France! |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:45 am ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: yeah but we had to come together to throw the british empire out "non-violently" and it forgot to mention, it is the only country to achieve independance using non-violence.
Hate to break it to you, but India's independence movement really started with a rather violent uprising in 1857. After much slaughtering of british soldiers and civilians I'm pleased to say that the indian troops were then slaughtered themselves (I'm a proud supporter of hte british comonwealth). It is only after this failed revolt and the subsequent british rule that india became independent in 1947 through a negotiated independence while britan was at war. |
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| Author: | codemage [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:19 pm ] |
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Didn't India try to gain independence through a miserably failed violent uprising lead by would-be hero (with notoriously bad aim) Mangal Pandey? |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:21 pm ] |
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Well, you can't govern a country that is not going to comply. They had to either leave, or massacre. I think they made a wise choice |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:49 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: lol yes bitter asian men.. we're bitter because people like tony keeps on stealing our women.. damn you pretty white boys..
Oh come on Andy - yellow fever besides, for your argument to hold true, I need to "steal" (alright, that could be true) more than one at the same time (hey, not such a bad idea). though then again things weren't working out so we broke up... So cheer up Andy |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:22 pm ] |
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.... and I workout/shower everyday and started playing instruments when I was 3... yet I is still single.. just like ed and dave |
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| Author: | chrispminis [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:29 pm ] |
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Haha, cheer up. The worlds not that against asian men. Only white women I find that asian women aren't that against asians. Plus, I'm probably the stereotype for asians. 5'5", good at math, science, comp sci, piano (+trombone, and previously violin), tae kwon do (love to spar), and probly assembly lines lol. Re: My Avatar I keep it only cuz I find BAM extremely funny (and sometimes eerily true), but still. ASIAN PRIDE. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:34 pm ] |
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I've come to realize that there are three types of asian girls at waterloo 1) girls who are fob, more fob than what any sane non fob man is willing to put up with 2) girls who are taken (generally by guys they met before they came to UW or during frosh week) 3) girls who have fetishes for the highly uncommon caucasian males |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:45 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: MysticVegeta wrote: yeah but we had to come together to throw the british empire out "non-violently" and it forgot to mention, it is the only country to achieve independance using non-violence.
Hate to break it to you, but India's independence movement really started with a rather violent uprising in 1857. After much slaughtering of british soldiers and civilians I'm pleased to say that the indian troops were then slaughtered themselves (I'm a proud supporter of hte british comonwealth). It is only after this failed revolt and the subsequent british rule that india became independent in 1947 through a negotiated independence while britan was at war. If you actually read what truly happened, you will take back the lines you said, as for the slaughter of british soldiers, there were some groups of indians called "Extremists" who didnt want to get through non-violence, but they were eventually executed, and I will take it that you dont know much about the massacre in Punjab wehre the troops fired shots are 1000s of people surrounded and couldnt escape due to huge walls there. While it is true britain was at war, but independance was won by non-violence and the fact that Gandhi said, "There are 15 indians for every 1 british person, imagine if millions of them gang up on thousands of you and even go to britain and invaded all of you" These lines are not exact, I am just translating what I know. Also India was the richest country at early 1800's because the msot expensive diamonds called "Kohinoors", only 7 of them existed in the entire world, and all 7 of them at the same place, unfortunately the queen wears 1 of them now, britain and has the rest 6 |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:58 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: independance was won by non-violence and the fact that Gandhi said, "There are 15 indians for every 1 british person, imagine if millions of them gang up on thousands of you and even go to britain and invaded all of you"
and you honestly beleive that india had the potential to invade england?? MysticVegeta wrote: Also India was the richest country at early 1800's
and this matters...why? |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:01 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: Andy wrote: lol yes bitter asian men.. we're bitter because people like tony keeps on stealing our women.. damn you pretty white boys..
Oh come on Andy - yellow fever the pwnt. Good video XD the ending too XD o -- omg.... THE INDIAN GUY IN IT TOO hahah XD |
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| Author: | Delos [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:57 pm ] |
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Ah, Wong Fu. Good vid that - reminds me of the things my buddies and I did during High School...though obviously their vid quality was better owing to their better resources...damn that uni looked nice though. The campus itself would be enough to warrant transferring there. |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:10 pm ] |
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senorita is also a pretty goodone by wong fu i think he goes to the university of california or something |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:29 pm ] |
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/me pokes a pin through MysticVegeta's ego Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't matter how the slaughtering occured so much as it was the british who were killed first. And seeing as I am a partiotic member of hte british comonwealth I am less concerned with their subsequent slaughter of "extremists" who were destablizing the worlds oldest and most respected superpower then I am at the destablizing effects of the attempted revolt. To make matters worse, at the same time other commonweath colonies were well on their way to self-governance through non-violent means (aka. Canada). Clearly the indians chose a violent path and when they failed they took advantage of britan's occupation with fighting the german threat during world war 2. To me that would make them cowards, and certainly does not make them respectable for their independence. I have nothing against indians in general, the few I have met appear to be generally nice people. I do have something against people misrepresenting history to make their country look better then it really is. India is a third world country with a few first world cities; it is no more or less special then any other country except in that it is in a tense nuclear stand off (rather dumb), and a few publically successful people. Since the succes of individuals has very little to do with where they are from (especially when they then leave to go somewhere else) I fail to see the purpose behind this thread except as self-promoting. In fact the most valuable thing to come out of it is the comments about asian girls and their... fixations... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:12 pm ] |
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person wrote: senorita is also a pretty goodone by wong fu
i think he goes to the university of california or something ucsd |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:22 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't matter how the slaughtering occured so much as it was the british who were killed first. And seeing as I am a partiotic member of hte british comonwealth I am less concerned with their subsequent slaughter of "extremists" who were destablizing the worlds oldest and most respected superpower then I am at the destablizing effects of the attempted revolt.
Actually what he's refering to was not the slaughter of extermists, but the masaccre of Indian people who had but gathered up for a peaceful meeting , and the events following it. Right, Mystic? (yea, I'm trying to help you out here |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:23 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: 3) girls who have fetishes for the highly uncommon caucasian males
OK dodge, if you find any of these that are acceptably good looking feel free to send them the picture of me shaving with a sword. |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:29 pm ] |
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u shave with a sword? doesnt everyone use electric swords these days? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:32 pm ] |
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Mazer wrote: Andy wrote: 3) girls who have fetishes for the highly uncommon caucasian males
OK dodge, if you find any of these that are acceptably good looking feel free to send them the picture of me shaving with a sword. i said caucasians.. if i show them that picture they'll send it off to george bush to have you arrested as a terrorist. plus you're in compsci, they want applied health sci |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:13 pm ] |
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I know an asian who likes a certain caucasian... thought their identities shall remain secret... pirates are definitely hot though |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:24 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: Mazer wrote: Andy wrote: 3) girls who have fetishes for the highly uncommon caucasian males
OK dodge, if you find any of these that are acceptably good looking feel free to send them the picture of me shaving with a sword. i said caucasians.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race And I've been in Visual Arts as of last Monday. Freaky, no? Now, make sure you get the very best out there for me. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:37 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: /me pokes a pin through MysticVegeta's ego
Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't matter how the slaughtering occured so much as it was the british who were killed first. And you would just stay in your country and doing nothing while the other country is looting and killing your people? If you do, hate to break it to ya, I wouldnt want to be in your country |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:40 pm ] |
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he never said that.. you were the one who said indians chanced out the brits without relying on violence |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:59 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: Cornflake wrote: /me pokes a pin through MysticVegeta's ego
Hate to break it to ya, but it doesn't matter how the slaughtering occured so much as it was the british who were killed first. And you would just stay in your country and doing nothing while the other country is looting and killing your people? If you do, hate to break it to ya, I wouldnt want to be in your country Damn strait I would fight for my country; but that is not what is at issue here. The issue is that you are misrepresenting the facts; I am simply setting them strait. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:02 pm ] |
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I think I know more history about my country than you do? |
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| Author: | person [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:25 pm ] |
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actually, if he's british, its also his history |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:22 pm ] |
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well if you read those links i presented than it's obvious that you clearly dont... |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:16 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: I think I know more history about my country than you do?
Clearly you are not thinking correctly then, because were you thinking you'd have noticed that much of what you have said is either false or a glorification fo the truth. As has been pointed out much of india's recent history is tied directly to the history of hte british empire (and thus Canada). Having a strong interest in the history of the country in which I was born; and the empire from whence it was born. Perhaps you should look into that too... seeing as it's your history as well. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:10 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: well if you read those links i presented than it's obvious that you clearly dont...
Most of the content in those links are incorrect as well.. Or simply not the right material to counter his "points"... |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:12 pm ] |
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I am pretty sure in British history taught in Britain, the history of British in India is pretty short and undetailed since they invaded lots of other areas too so they would rather have a brief history on all events, compared to that of India, where the history is much more detailed highlighting and explaning each of the significant events that ever took place. But then again, I am not 100% sure if it is being taught more detailed in Britain, if it is, then please correct me. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:17 pm ] |
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Mystic: You said that india non-violently gained independence. This is obviously not true. The British might have been violent, but that does not invalidate the point that Indians were also violent at some point in their sturggle for independence. But, by saying that the non-violent approach finally taken by indians had proved fruitful, then that would be a more accurate statement. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:27 pm ] |
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rizzix wrote: Mystic: You said that india non-violently gained independence. This is obviously not true. The British might have been violent, but that does not invalidate the point that Indians were also violent at some point in their sturggle for independence.
But, by saying that the non-violent approach finally taken by indians had proved fruitful, then that would be a more accurate statement. Yes you are correct. But at the same time what I said wasn't all false. What it meant was yes they were violent at times (but only some parties, most still followed Gandhi's approach) Obviously, if someone invades your country, some people will tend to get violent, it is natural, but when I said through non-violence, I was referring to the final breakthrough, not the small violent events that took place all over 200 years because they didnt lead the british to move out. I was only referring to what happened in the end. And yes, I should correct myself and I should have said, "In the end, India won independance through non-violence, not addressing 'some' attacks made by indians years before independance" The attacks of indians (some of them) was not hte reason the british moved out, it was due to non-violence at the end And Yes, if anyone wants to challenge that, I could certainly debate about this forever, because its part of a thing that makes me and other indians proud. |
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| Author: | Boo-chan [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:29 pm ] |
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I think it would be more constructive to consider whether or not you're proud of yourself as a person instead of taking pride in your race/country of origin/sex etc which were determined before you were born. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:15 pm ] |
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eh this topic has gone too far.... You can be proud of your country, pssh, why not? But don't make it public because, well you see what happnes -.- |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:23 pm ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: rizzix wrote: Mystic: You said that india non-violently gained independence. This is obviously not true. The British might have been violent, but that does not invalidate the point that Indians were also violent at some point in their sturggle for independence.
But, by saying that the non-violent approach finally taken by indians had proved fruitful, then that would be a more accurate statement. Yes you are correct. But at the same time what I said wasn't all false. What it meant was yes they were violent at times (but only some parties, most still followed Gandhi's approach) Obviously, if someone invades your country, some people will tend to get violent, it is natural, but when I said through non-violence, I was referring to the final breakthrough, not the small violent events that took place all over 200 years because they didnt lead the british to move out. I was only referring to what happened in the end. And yes, I should correct myself and I should have said, "In the end, India won independance through non-violence, not addressing 'some' attacks made by indians years before independance" The attacks of indians (some of them) was not hte reason the british moved out, it was due to non-violence at the end And Yes, if anyone wants to challenge that, I could certainly debate about this forever, because its part of a thing that makes me and other indians proud. Wrong again. The revolts happened before ghandi was even born. It's rather difficult to follow the lead of someone who has yet to exist yet. As for the reasons why the british gave up control there are many; many of which were just as key as the "peaceful" independence movement. Your point about the history of the british in india is also a bit flawed. Just because something is not taught quite as rigorously in british (and Canadian since that is where I am from) schools does not mean that the information is not out there to be learned independently. In fact by relying on others to tell you your own history instead of actually going out and checking up on it yourself you really are only doing yourself a disservice. As has been pointed out by others, being proud of your country is one thing; but publically saying it is better then others (which is in fact what you have done) only gets others, some of whom know much more then you, angry. If you want to be proud then fine be proud. Be proud of who you are, and where you have come from; but do not go shoving it in other's faces. |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:06 pm ] |
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Amailer wrote: eh this topic has gone too far....
You can be proud of your country, pssh, why not? But don't make it public because, well you see what happnes -.- I will try and remember than for the next time (in case ther will be one, thanks to someone lol) And just to clear up a fact, I am not shoving anything on anyone so I thik its about time the topic comes to an end, thanks for reading uptil here lol, I know your heads must be aching now |
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| Author: | codemage [ Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:56 am ] |
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Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but google "gained independence peacefully" And you'll get 150 hits for that exact phrase, most of which aren't to do with India. Many countries gained independence nonviolently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization shows a timeline of countries that were decolonized, mostly peacefully. |
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| Author: | Ninja [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:49 am ] |
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i am an indian. even though i live in canada now i used to live in New delhi(for 13 years) i moved to canada august 28'th 2003 |
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| Author: | MysticVegeta [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:19 am ] |
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woot finally a supporter! |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:37 am ] |
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MysticVegeta wrote: Anyways, I think we shouldnt reply here anymore, its just gonna lead to more flame on us rofl.
good call ![]() |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:48 pm ] |
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Just for you Andy. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:38 am ] |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:32 am ] |
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ass |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:42 am ] |
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I think Dan needs to mod v3 to have "thread lock" and "thread mod lock" to stop you guys |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:41 pm ] |
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That's right, Tony. We don't want dodge to be offended by racism. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:47 pm ] |
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Was it realy nessary to move this hole topic here? We can split them you know...... |
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