Computer Science Canada Why Does M$ Do This so Often? |
| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:47 am ] |
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http://news.com.com/New+bug+can+crash+Internet+Explorer/2100-1002_3-6051656.html?tag=nefd.top Ok...they find another bug with IE (  big surprise  ). Anyways, now they decide to push a patch to fix it untill some big exploit. I do not understand why on earth they would do that. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:01 am ] |
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you don't understand why they would patch the flaw?  |
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| Author: | Boo-chan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:04 am ] |
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They probably just want some free advertising. Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:11 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Ford's Pinto!  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:13 pm ] |
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No wifi at lakehead? (do i even need a link, sigh) |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:56 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: you don't understand why they would patch the flaw?
I don't understand why they wouldn't patch the flaw. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:58 pm ] |
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did you even read the article? Quote: Microsoft is investigating the issue, a company representative said in an e-mailed statement. "At this time, we are not aware of any attacks attempting to use the reported vulnerability," the representative wrote.
Once it completes its inquiry, Microsoft said, it may issue a security advisory or provide a patch through its monthly release process. |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:02 pm ] |
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Quote: Microsoft is investigating the issue, a company representative said in an e-mailed statement. "At this time, we are not aware of any attacks attempting to use the reported vulnerability," the representative wrote.
Once it completes its inquiry, Microsoft said, it may issue a security advisory or provide a patch through its monthly release process. To me that just sounds like "We're not going to do anything untill someone exploits this vulnerability". |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:40 pm ] |
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They do this to get back at everyone who keeps saying "M$". Honestly, if I had people calling me "Nikolao$" all the time a browser exploit would be the least of your worries. To be fair, bugs are everywhere. A bug that crashes a browser doesn't seem so extraordinary. I'm not saying it's OK to leave the problem unpatched, but can you think of anything going on at Microsoft right now that might leave their developers very busy? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:42 pm ] |
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Tho if there software was open sorce and made right this bug whould have been fixed long ago as well as many others by now.... |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:44 pm ] |
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I'm not saying that it's only the browser exploit. I mean they do this to soooo many things. The browser was just an example that I resently came by. Although you do have a point, they are working on other more important tings. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:45 pm ] |
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it's not just IE... http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7059 |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:46 pm ] |
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person wrote: Although you do have a point, they are working on other more important tings. Like adding scure computing to windows vista so we can push the big brother thing up another notch (as if bush was not enougth). |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:52 pm ] |
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you know. i'm sick of people bashing bush for every little thing... he's not even OUR president.. i was walking down UT the other day, and i saw a protest that said get our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq.. WTF! WE DONT HAVE TROOPS IN IRAQ, AND OUR TROUPS ARE WELCOMED IN AFGHANISTAN FOR PEACE KEEPING... |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:57 pm ] |
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LOL Bush-lover! I don't see if Bush has anything to do with the secure computing, but it is pretty ridiculous there. And I don't like to try and push Linux on everybody, but the sooner people leave Windows the better. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:57 pm ] |
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Aucatly we do have trupes in Iraq that are on excahge. Tho i do agrea with you that peoleop should not protest things they do not understand or have all the facts on. However i ment by bush == big brother thing as a joke based on the fact that he illgeal autherized the spying on some armaican clivens witch is a fact and is know to most peoleop who watch the news. Why i should care about the polticls of another conotry? Simpley beuases we all live on this erath together and we are not icealoted by man made boraders. If the U.S. starts war it hurts us all, if they start going 1984 on there own peoleop it hurts us all. |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:00 pm ] |
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Wait...why would it hurt us all if the US starts attacking another country? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:35 pm ] |
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first on Microsoft - this is nothing new. Heck, last time there was an actual zero-day exploit (one with image file renders I belive) they just bundled the patch with the next monthly update. This just crashes the browser, annoying, but as the article says - no known vulnarbilities. Now on the spun-off topic of wars - our good friends over at msn news are convinced that Cost of Iraq war could surpass $1 trillion. Now you just try to think if there is _anything else_ that we could have done with such economic resource, than sit around in Iraq, shooting civilians. (and to answer person's question directly: when U.S. goes to war, it pulls the rest of the world along the the ride) |
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| Author: | person [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:40 pm ] |
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But the US will get Iraqi oil in in return. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:46 pm ] |
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well look out, because Canada has the second largest oil reserve in the world. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:32 pm ] |
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person so 37832 human clivenions dead (1) and $1 trillion (2) is worth 5% of the oil industry? Thats right iraq only supisles about 5% of the oil to the USA. (5% in 2005, 3.9% in 2002). In fact canada supiles 14% of the USAs oil, that is almost 3 times that of iraq. In just therms of moeny alone oil comanpys do not come close to making that of others like wal-mart. The is no way you can say that 5% of the US oil is worth $1 trillion and 37832 clivleions. |
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| Author: | Boo-chan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:54 pm ] |
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Well civilian casualties are pretty much collateral damage so I don't really think that they should be considered in finding the cost of a war. As well, I believe that the majority of that money is being spent trying to build peace in the country, winning the war was much easier. 5% may not seem like much but it is a foothold and hopefully the start of the end of the Muslim world using OPEC to pressure the rest of the world into complying with their wishes. Besides if it actually establishes democracy in the Middle East it might just be worth it. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:22 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: i was walking down UT the other day, and i saw a protest that said get our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq..
UT students seem to be well informed.  |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:02 pm ] |
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@ tony's link woa.. suncor! my friend is doing co op over there! 15 bux an hour, no provincial tax, free place to live, every second friday off with jet ride home to calgary and -40 degrees on average.. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:53 pm ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Well civilian casualties are pretty much collateral damage so I don't really think that they should be considered in finding the cost of a war.
WHAT????? You think that 37,832 human lives that had nothing to do with the war should just be considered collateral damage and a cost of war? I think that 1 life is enought to make this wrong never mind times that by 38 thounsand. Quote: As well, I believe that the majority of that money is being spent trying to build peace in the country, winning the war was much easier. How do you figgure that? Unless you consdier killing off 38 thoundans peoleop making peac???? I mean even if we where to aucatly blive that the US had the best anations the magoity of that money is not going to peace but to buy weponds. In fact all of trillion is in paying soldigers, buying equment supiles, ect. I don't see how that makes peac. Using it for peac whould be doing things like paying your UN dues and obaying them. Or maybe not usiing it funed scertive persions in other contrys where you can tortore peoleop to death. Quote: 5% may not seem like much but it is a foothold and hopefully the start of the end of the Muslim world using OPEC to pressure the rest of the world into complying with their wishes. Besides if it actually establishes democracy in the Middle East it might just be worth it. NOTHING, and i mean nothing is worth killing an inscent life. If this is the cost of democracy i whould rather have none. Do you hotly blive it is mortality and ethloiclky corcet to spend that much tax meony and more impornty kill 37,832 insent peoleop for small foothold on oil? I can't even compreahed how you can think of this as just a cost of war or justfiying bering democracy to iraq. Also if this is a war it whould be an illgeal one, acording to international law you HAVE TO be atacked 1st to decalr war. Last time i checked the U.S. did not get atacked by iraq. If we where to falow internatal law to the letter bush and serveral of the peoleop high up in the U.S. gorvement should be trial for war crimes right now. In summry i am discustecuted with both your coments and the U.S.'s atacktions.  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:02 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: NOTHING, and i mean nothing is worth killing an inscent life.
Not true at all. This isn't to say that I agree with the Iraq war, but sometimes you have to put the well being of others in front of people's lives. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:19 pm ] |
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I do not think that desion is somthing someone can make for another. There maybe situations where it is need to put your own life at risk but i don't see how you can for others. Edit: the above and the part you quted of my last post is a persaonl option obvesly and of corse peoleop are not going to argea with it since it is radical. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:33 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: NOTHING, and i mean nothing is worth killing an inscent life.
as the question from Swordfish goes - would you take life of one kid to save thousands? Anyways, the entire thing is more like a modernday crusade. Just in the name of democrasy and oil instead of god and gold. |
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| Author: | codemage [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:06 am ] |
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It's all about oil, but not as an end in itself. My personal conspiracy theory is that the US wants to drain the entire middle east of oil. They don't really even want it for themselves (although it's profitable in the short term) - they want to guarantee that their political opponents have no source of revenue 20-30 years from now when the pumps run dry. Think about it, if it weren't for oil, the only middle eastern countries that would still have a semblance of economies would be Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia... oh, look... those are America's allies. The war was about keeping the oil flowing. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:03 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: you know. i'm sick of people bashing bush for every little thing... he's not even OUR president.. i was walking down UT the other day, and i saw a protest that said get our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq.. WTF! WE DONT HAVE TROOPS IN IRAQ, AND OUR TROUPS ARE WELCOMED IN AFGHANISTAN FOR PEACE KEEPING...
whats diff between peace keeping in afghan and sitting around in iraq? i dont see a difference. its not like theres no casualties in afghan. didn't one of our guys got axed in the head? http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050804_afghanistan_timeline_050804 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060306/axe_account060306/20060307/ |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:09 pm ] |
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peacekeeping is all about killing both sides.  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:00 pm ] |
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Well a big difrence whould be when peackeeping you do not go and atack things but rather you proteced citys, towns, public areas, ect and try to keep the area stable. So basickly they provied a tempary police force for areas that have none to keep order. They are not runing over the contry trying to find "insergents" and blow them up. Also i whould hope/blive they help provied medical and other social serverics intill offical goverment there can be estabashed and set them up for them selves. |
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