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Hack Quest
Author:  chrispminis [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:23 pm ]
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Hey, check this out.

http://www.hackquest.com/

Try to get as many points as you can, and post your accomplishments here Smile

Unfortunately, Im really bad at this. lol.
Author:  cool dude [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:39 pm ]
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good website. although i'm terrible at it Sad i wanna see hacker dan's score i'm sure it will be high.

do u have any suggestions on how to go about hacking some of the passwords. like for the beginner one i'm still on it although this is my first time ever trying something like this. the only way i can think of is go to view source and see if the password is there. is there any other things u can do?
Author:  chrispminis [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:46 pm ]
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Well, I viewed source in order to register, but I haven't really tried the other stuff. There are apps that help with this. I've only really done the logic ones.
Author:  cool dude [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:48 pm ]
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can u post an example of one that u completed so i could follow that to try and figure some other ones out
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:35 pm ]
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Oi, this once again reminds me of another topic where we had:

http://www.hackits.de
http://www.try2hack.nl/

Only one I actually tried a bit on was the hackits one, but I think it's changed now... It seems like this one is more about finding the right program to help you out. I find it better if you have to do the work for yourself.
Author:  chrispminis [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:47 pm ]
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Hmmm? Do you mean the one I posted? Because so far I've done all the work myself...

@Cool Dude I've only realy done the logic ones, and those don't really need examples. I don't know java or javascript really so I've been avoiding those. There are also a lot of strange puzzles in Special and Stegano.

Oh wow, some of these are pretty challenging. I would do a lot better if I knew more programming. I think the people here would like the programming, crackit tasks. If you find them too hard, do the logics and get the mindset.
Author:  cool dude [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:45 pm ]
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ya the logics r so much easier but all the other i don't really know wat to do Confused

anyhow i'm stuck on this pattern does anyone know the next number that goes after this:

1
2
10
140
5740
?
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:05 pm ]
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700 280

Seems like it's more math than logic. Smile
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:12 pm ]
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Shouldnt it be 464940?
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:19 pm ]
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I'm quite sure it's not, MysticVegeta.
Author:  chrispminis [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:37 pm ]
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Wow, both of you wanna send me how you did that?

I really like the "To Boldly Go"

I haven't gotten it yet, but I think its like the logic problem with the men standing facing a wall with hats on if anyone knows what I mean.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:12 pm ]
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NOTE: IGNORE MY POST BEFORE, I MADE A CALCULATION ERROR, GANDALF WAS RIGHT.

well its really easy:

1
2
10
140
5740

2/1 = 2
10/2 = 5
140/10 = 14
5740/140 = 41

new series: 2, 5, 14, 41
difference: 5-2. 14-5, 41-14

new series: 3, 9, 27
as you can see, it goes in 3^x
where x is like a counter.

so 3 = 3^1
so 9 = 3^2
so 27 = 3^3
next will be 3^4 = 81

new series: 3, 9, 27, 81
old series modified: 2, 5, 14, 41, 122 (I mistook this for 81 before, logic error)

old series modified, now I have to times 122 by 5740 to get the old one

122 * 5740 = 700,280
Author:  rizzix [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:26 pm ]
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wow you've got to have a lot of time on your hands to play such a silly game.. at least the other ones were quick..
Author:  Blade [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:43 pm ]
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i keep getting a page not found error.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:49 am ]
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rizzix wrote:
wow you've got to have a lot of time on your hands to play such a silly game.. at least the other ones were quick..



Dude that was only a 3 series one, you have got to see the ones that take around half an hour and go upto 10-11 series, its insane. it only took like 4-5 minutes to do that one, I am sure others can do it in 1 minute.
Author:  Dan [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:20 am ]
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The probelm i have with this site is that for the most part they are not relistick security problems that will come up in real life. For the most of the time sites like thess just show us why javascript and flash should never ever be used for secuity. And how not to make java applets.

If you whont a real hackquest try to hack v3 when it comes out in beta, that whould at least be productive Wink
Author:  codemage [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:25 am ]
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Some of the upper level hacking and application cracking problems on these sites take quite a bit of work & time.

Completing them is a challenge, more than unbridled fun, per se.
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:35 am ]
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MysticVegeta wrote:
rizzix wrote:
wow you've got to have a lot of time on your hands to play such a silly game.. at least the other ones were quick..



Dude that was only a 3 series one, you have got to see the ones that take around half an hour and go upto 10-11 series, its insane. it only took like 4-5 minutes to do that one, I am sure others can do it in 1 minute.


Basically what i'm saying is.. it is not fun Smile
Author:  cool dude [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:00 pm ]
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wow MysticVegeta and gandalf how did u guys come up with it so fast? thats pretty skillful!
Author:  chrispminis [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:44 pm ]
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Im impressed as well, but I was thinking of extending the series. When I read the title three brains deep, all that came to mind was base-3, which didnt work since there was a 4,5 and 7 in the series.

So did anyone figure out "To Boldly Go"? It's really interesting but its stumping me.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:32 pm ]
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cool dude wrote:
wow MysticVegeta and gandalf how did u guys come up with it so fast? thats pretty skillful!

lol I used to do a lot of them once before when I found out that my IQ was below average (82) so I did a lot of those trying to get it to atleast average, hopefully its average right now Confused I stil dont know, too afraid to do one.
Author:  Dan [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:14 am ]
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MysticVegeta wrote:
cool dude wrote:
wow MysticVegeta and gandalf how did u guys come up with it so fast? thats pretty skillful!

lol I used to do a lot of them once before when I found out that my IQ was below average (82) so I did a lot of those trying to get it to atleast average, hopefully its average right now Confused I stil dont know, too afraid to do one.


I hate to break this to you but the idelogly behind the IQ system is that you can never chage your IQ and that it should be the same from brith to death.

However persoanly i do not blive that IQ is aucatly an acutie mesuere of ones aucatal intelgnce. However it dose mesnure some kinds of math and logic ablitys in noraml condictions. I say noraml b/c there are alot of varibles that effect it from even giving a real rating on logic/math never mind integlence, such as your english ablity. ie. if you can not read the questions as fast as the avg person your sorce of math gose down.

The idea of IQ showing intelgence has been looked down for some time by prosneals in the fileds of such things as education pshgoicly and have been replaced with test that mesure ablitys arocess many areas to give a ture indacation of ones sreaths. However the IQ test and parts of it are still used in this process for the math side and are also usefull to idenfiy a problem or somthing above avg (ie exteramly low, and exteramly high).

In reality the IQ system has been long since out of date and ireavent but has been kepted in popualrity by the media and some agurent gorups that blive it gives them a reason to be supirue to others.

Hostly an IQ sorce of 82 is not bad and give the masive error in the IQ system and it's falws i whould say that it makes you noraml at least in the math/logic area.

Perosanly i hate it when peoleop atack like they are better others in general and it seems to me that the IQ system has been perverted from a system to idefite problems to somthing to falsely push sepority over peoleop. Simpley peoleop with low IQs are not less integent then peoleop with high IQs, they just have difrent ablitys. The realsization of this has brought about systems like MIQ and better educational testing now all that is left is to fix the public option that IQ is the be all and end all.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:32 pm ]
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That means I will be dumb forever? Sad
Author:  person [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:07 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
the masive error in the IQ system


I don't think there is a massive error. I took 3 seperate IQ tests, and their results were 131, 132, and 132. So from my personal experience, the results seem to be quite consistent.

@MysticVegeta: IQ really doesnt summarize ur intelligence, just one little portion of it
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:32 pm ]
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person wrote:
and their results were 131, 132, and 132. So from my personal experience, the results seem to be quite consistent.


What the hell do you eat dude? 131, 132, 133? Shocked Give me the secret formula Razz
Author:  Naveg [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:37 pm ]
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I took one and got 142. But personally, I don't regard it as meaningful at all. I think its ridiculous to suggest a person's intelligence can be expressed as a number. Sure, I have my strengths, but that's not to say I don't have a hefty share of intellectual weaknesses as well.
Author:  Martin [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:48 pm ]
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I took one online and got 72. It said 'You're equally good at math and reading, and probably good at handling money.'
Author:  cool dude [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:52 pm ]
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i actually agree a lot with hacker dan. i am above average on IQ tests but that proves nothing. from wat i see in your other posts mystic vegeta u r pretty smart thus a score that low proves nothing. the think i disagree with hacker dan is that the score u get the first time stays with u for life. there are many factors affecting u while your doing the test. wat if its noisy, or your tired your IQ test score will be lower. also IQ tests show more about your apptitute and ability to see things than your intelligence.

i wonder wat cerventas IQ is considering his average is so high from wat i heard?
Author:  Cervantes [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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I don't know; supposedly somewhere above 120, as I passed the Gifted Test in grade 3.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:18 pm ]
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cool dude wrote:
from wat i see in your other posts mystic vegeta u r pretty smart thus a score that low proves nothing.

LOL.. I am stil laughing LOL, I cant believe someone actually finds me pretty smart
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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Yeah, IQ tests only prove, and not neccessarily accurately, that you are good at answering strange patterning questions and other obscure things. You can be amazing at math, and crappy at English, which will result in your IQ score being low. Does that mean you're stupid? Definately not.

And things don't always go as accurately as in person's case, the results of four tests I took are as follows:
126, 119, 97, 159
So, either I'm slightly "below average", or a "genius", or anything in between. Clearly not an accurate measurement. Smile
Author:  Dan [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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person wrote:
Hacker Dan wrote:
the masive error in the IQ system

I don't think there is a massive error.


You have to put things in context from what they where posted. I was not refuring to error btween the tests for the same person (in fact if there was alot of difrence between tests on the same person the basic idea of the system whould be falwed). Rather i was talking about the error in juging ones math/logic ablitys due to outside factors (see my orgainl post for examples).


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i disagree with hacker dan is that the score u get the first time stays with u for life.


I did not say that i blived that i side that is what the test idegloly states. If your IQ could chage it whould mean the mesure of IQ is falwed (witch it is) and all IQ tests whould be invailed. The poeleop who suport the IQ system say the only reason that peoleop get difrent sorces is error from the things you listed.

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also IQ tests show more about your apptitute and ability to see things than your intelligence.

i wonder wat cerventas IQ is considering his average is so high from wat i heard?


That makes me whonder if u read my post at all, you are totaly missing the point of my rant or just ingorning it. The IQ system will not tell u some ones apptitude or ablitiy to see things in general but only a very spfiect ablity in a very spefic area with a high level of error. This will in not way show how intengent, how scusefue or what ablity the person will have in reality. As for that mark remark, IQ and high marks in school do not have a direct conreation if any at all. Also marks in school much like the IQ system do not show intengence and only measure a extearmly small area with high error.


What i find realy intresting is how many peoleop say they have an high IQ. Out of every person who has ever toald me there IQ witch is about 30 or 40, MysticVegeta is the only one that has ever side one that is lower then 120 (not couting that post about the online test above). If we assume that is ture, it alone proves the IQ system is falwed since 100 should be the avg IQ and statsiclky 1/2 of all peoleop should have an IQ lower then 100. The reasons for this high number of peoleop with high IQs could be that peoleop simpley lie, that peoleop whith IQs that are not outstanding feal bad and do not state them or that the test peoleop are taking are not real IQ test or have above noraml masive error.

I find the fact that peoleop gloat about there IQ prity sad and some of the poeleop i have know in high school that claimed to have some of the highest IQs are now working at gass station, in millitray, and working on being a plumber at colleag.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
MysticVegeta is the only one that has ever side one that is lower then 120 (not couting that post about the online test above)
Crying or Very sad god, please make me smarter Smile Laughing
Author:  codemage [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:03 am ]
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Quote:
Crying or Very sad god, please make me smarter Smile Laughing


I think that's one for the Fatal Wish thread.

Notes on IQ:

Generally speaking, a proper IQ test is a good, but not difinitive measure of general academic intelligence.

I think it's likely that most of the people on this board have an IQ over 100, since CS affinity is usually reflective of good intelligence.

A person's IQ changes as they age. It rises rapidly as the mind develops into adolescence (IQ tests for young children are often grossly misleading), and then peaks from puberty until middle age. After that, there is a slight decline.

A person can raise their IQ slightly (so to speak) through practice. The MENSA organization promotes test-style mind-teasers, but crosswords, sodoku, etc... all keep the mind sharp.
Author:  cool dude [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:54 pm ]
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i actually did read your post hacker Dan and did not ignore it. now for the IQ test i still stand by wat i said. IQ tests don't show if u have a really specific ability in an area, because the questions on IQ tests r really easy that involve pretty much no knowledge. they r more designed to be how closely u concentrate to see if its a trick or not. most of the IQ tests i've done ask questions that r really simple but the reason i get them wrong is because they're tricky and if u r trying to complete them really fast so your score is higher than u fall for all the tricks and your IQ score is low. and i don't know who your hearing that peoples IQ tests are always high but there's a huge chunk of the population who score poorly on the IQ test so don't accuse ppl of lying. anyhow i think the IQ tests r pretty stupid and nothing to brag about
Author:  Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:37 pm ]
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I am just whondering how many peoleop that have done IQ tests here where acuatly offical and admistarted by an educational pyshatirsts or some one trained in offical admistarting such tests?

I think the masive amount of fake or unoffical IQ tests are casuing part of this miscosepction about them.

I guse my problem is i do not like peoleop saying that b/c of somthing unchagable or close to it they will allways be better then some one eltes. For example race, relgione, age, sex, disblity, IQ, unviersity, ect. In my option every one is equal not only in rights but in ablity and potental in life. This is why i like the MIQ system where rather then give a singal number it gives numbers in each catgory that will all add up to the same number. I think this is much closer to reality and i blive the saying/idea that every one is good at somthing is ture.
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:55 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
I am just whondering how many peoleop that have done IQ tests here where acuatly offical and admistarted by an educational pyshatirsts or some one trained in offical admistarting such tests?

I was. Unfortunately, the results are buried deep somewhere, so the four test results I posted were online versions.

In my opinion, an IQ test is just like, say... a test on pointers. A lot of people have trouble truly understanding them, but that doesn't neccessarily mean they are hopeless programmers. It only measures one facet of your knowledge and skill.
Author:  person [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:27 pm ]
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HackerDan wrote:
am just whondering how many peoleop that have done IQ tests here where acuatly offical and admistarted by an educational pyshatirsts or some one trained in offical admistarting such tests?


I have

Cervantes wrote:
I don't know; supposedly somewhere above 120, as I passed the Gifted Test in grade 3.


when i was in grade 3, the cut-off score was 130

on another note, if u guys can spare like 10 minutes, do this test, i seemed to get almost identical results from this one than the one i got from the educational expert

http://www.intelligencetest.com/test/signupuser.php
Author:  Andy [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:52 pm ]
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i did one in grade 8, and it was 135-140
Author:  cool dude [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:02 pm ]
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i just did one and this proves that IQ tests are totally wrong!!! i was really suprised because it said my strongest points r in general knowledge and language and i'm terrible at language. that is the weakest most weakest ability i have!!! now to my suprise math was one of the lowest and math is the subject i'm the strongest at. that was totally the worst IQ test. even the ones i took before said i'm gifted at math and i'm bad at language so this one it not correct
Author:  chrispminis [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:53 pm ]
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Yeah, im too intimidated to take any IQ tests. My ego would be torn apart if I got a low score. I'm thinking im at least average (hopefully higher?) since I have always been high on the intelligence spectrum of the classroom. In grade 3 I was a little genius. Then grade four switched to french immersion and my english dropped dramatically. Math and logic have always been my strengths since from I was exposed to many problems from a very young age. Unfortunately, I'm slowing down I think.

Yeah, IQ, I tihnk the principle is that it stays the same or close to the same your entire life, since it is based on age. IQ, in my eyes, does not define intelligence in general, just what they call logical thinking. The kind that lets you do "To boldly go", sudokus etc. But from what I've seen MysticVegeta, you are pretty logical, so I'd think you'd have a higher IQ. I've always enjoyed logic problems and I do sudokus almost daily. But still I think I have a surprisingly low IQ since people always seem to thik of things I didn't see. =\

On another note I think I got "to boldly go". If you wanna know what Im talking about read it.

Ok. All my logic rests on this. That everyone at the meeting knew that there were both brown eyes and blue eyes. So at least 1 blue and and one brown eye.

Now say that in situation A, there are 10 people. 9 brown eye, one blue eye. If you are the blue eye, you see all brown eyes, realize your a blue eye and commit suicide the very first night.

Now say that in situation B, there are 10 people. 8 brown eyes and 2 blue eyes. If you are a blue eye, you see 8 brown eyes and one blue eye. After the first night, the blue hasnt committed suicide, thus you know that it is not situation A and you realize you are the other blue eye. Both you and the other blue eye who reached the same conclusion commit suicide the 2nd night.

Now say that in situation C, there are 10 people, 7 brown eyes and 3 blue eyes. If you are a blue eye, you see 7 brown eyes and 2 blue eyes. By the second night, if the two blue eyes you see havent't committed suicide you know that they both see two blue eyes otherwise situation B would have resulted. Thus you realized that you are the third blue eye and you and both of the other blue eyes who have reached the same conclusion commit suicide on the 3rd night.

Now we can extend that logic for however many blue eyes/ nights.
Second part: Say it is situation B and we are a brown eye. Suddenly on the second night the two blue eyes that you see commit suicide, so you know it is Situation B and you are a brown eye. Thus you and all the remaining brown eyes all commit suicide the third night.

So I think the answer is that there were 249 blue eyes. There were more brown eyes and that all suicides took place over 2 nights. The only one I haven't gotten is the mathematical concept. Can anyone name what I just outlined?
Author:  Andy [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:54 pm ]
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online ones arent accurate at all.. go see a psychologist or something
Author:  Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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That can be exteramly expsive to have a full set of educational tests done and a big pain in the ass (i whould know). Hostly i do not see the point of going throw that unless you think you could have a learning disblity.
Author:  codemage [ Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:12 am ]
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The problem with MIQ is that it's individual - it scores a person against themself. IQ tests are used for placement within the whole sample, like SATs or GMAT tests.

Supervised tests usually run $100-$120ish.

Oh... 140 something, BTW. The first two thirds of that took all of a minute.
http://usera.imagecave.com/codemage/IQ.JPG

Most tests are wildly innacurate as soon as they're 30 points out of norm. (Online tests, for example don't ususally have a mechanism to score people beyond that range. (For example, I think I got just about all of the questions right, so someone with an IQ of 180 still wouldn't be able to score more than 150, per se).
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:11 pm ]
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codemage, maybe at that point timing would become a larger factor for your score?

Results:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8923/iqresults9fp.jpg
Author:  codemage [ Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:46 am ]
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All uspervised, MENSA-style tests are timed. Most don't award points for time still available when finished, but I've heard of a few that do.
Author:  chrispminis [ Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:18 pm ]
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Hmm, I was under the impression timing was a HUGE factor in IQ tests. oh and btw, a while back on that logic problem i pmed a guy and since I had got it pretty much, revealed that the mathematical concept is called Induction, its like deduction but opposite since deduction implies subtraction.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:21 am ]
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wow I am stil stuck at 104, atleast I am 4 above average now Smile
Author:  codemage [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:19 am ]
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Induction goes from a small case to a general solution.
Deduction goes from a general solution to a sample case.

A legal metaphor would be Wink

Induction:
The police analyse the murder weapon, get DNA samples and use these to prove the suspect guilty.

Deduction:
The police decide who is guilty, and then work backwards to link evidence to the accused.

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