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Dan




PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:14 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

PaddyLong wrote:
about how religion (christianity/european religions mostly) is the root of a lot of the problems in the world ... link it in with how technology has developed and our conquering nature... and compare to simpler (native maybe) ways of life


i think that is the best idea yet, alougth the technology part is not comply true. i think that tecnology has not effect on anything it's self it is how it is used that makes the effect.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:18 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

PaddyLong wrote:
about how religion (christianity/european religions mostly) is the root of a lot of the problems in the world ... link it in with how technology has developed and our conquering nature... and compare to simpler (native maybe) ways of life


hey not a bad idea...
Cervantes




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:04 am   Post subject: (No subject)

nice paddlylong, i was thinking about that a few days ago.
in my opinion, religions biggest contribution to the world is death. Christians go to church and learn about things like tolerance and forgiveness, but when you get fanatical Christians (bush) or fanatacs of other religions (bin Laden, for example) we end up with wars and death. I bet you most wars that have swept this world are initiated in some distinct way by religion. I'm not talking about large wars necessarily though, smaller, less well known wars such as in Africa involving the tootsies (sp) and other ethnic tribes.
jonos




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:11 am   Post subject: (No subject)

there are fanatical christians - look at the and the 1600s where prodistants did some crazy stuff to the catholics (papists), a good example was charles II movie on a and e that was on a few days ago. the jewish people have to use war to defend themselves for if they didn't there would be no israel.

id have to disagree with you about bush being a fanatical christian, he hasn't done anything in the name of his faith for all i know. hes done it in the name of his morals and what he believes is right, which is not religion.

not all christians are tolerant and forgiving, i am a catholic and i know for a fact that many many are arrogant just because they are catholic and they are hipocrites.

religion is a good idea its just what individuals do to it that screws it up.
Amailer




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:21 am   Post subject: (No subject)

tons of people say they are catholic, but really they don't belive in it... they hardly even follow the catholic church (they don't go to church)
jonos




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:52 am   Post subject: (No subject)

now in america, more than 50% of people go to church on a regular basis, even though they have a lot of porn and other stuff, where in canada a lot less than that go to church
Dan




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:47 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

region it's self it nothing bad it is orgaised regionl that starts going down hill fast. when u get a gorup of poleop together that bivle they are better then other b/c there blifes are right nothing good can happen. (and even tho many say "i dont think i am better", they still bivle they will go to a better place in an affter life then the person who dose not bivle witch is think of them selves better.)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:58 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

it's the organised religions like christianity that force themselves on other cultures that's the problem. like the christian europeans coming over to north america and destroying the native culture, etc. and even in modern times, with the christian missionaries in africa... look at all the drugs and pollution they have brought with them... africa used to be native cultures that were surviving in their own way.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:49 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I don't think Christianity was spread because it is "an organised religion that forces istelf on other cultures". I think it spread because Britain and France were two countries that explored and settled new colonies more than other countries.
Britain, being an island, has always wanted colonies in places around the world to increase their wealth. When you have a British colony surrounded by Native peoples, it is a good idea to try to convert them (not saying its good for everyone, but its good for British). You'll have stronger ties with the Native peoples.
I think that spreading their religion to other cultures was a scheme in most cases, nor did they force their ideologies upon others. I think it just sort of happened. In most places that Britain explored, a portion of the natives converted to christianity (Hurons did not at all).

Anyways, the first problem that I think we all agree is religions conflicting with other religions: where people believe they are superior to others and feel obligated to convert others into their religion.
That's not really a problem though. People can try to convert others all they want, they can force nothing. If one does not wish to convert, one won't, and that's that. However, the problem comes in when disputes arise between religious sects and religious leaders. Then when the disputes escalate iinto fighting, both sides call for war in the name of their god. hatreds between different religious cultures never really die down.
But why does religion cause more disputes than something like, boarder disputes? or does it?
Amailer




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:57 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

you know what's the worst part? when your religion says that you have to kill to project your religion...
jonos




PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:34 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

someone said something about organized religious people thinking they are better and will go to a better place. id have to wholeheartedly disagree with that, and i think that your opinion on this is based on ignorance, no offence. i am catholic, and i do not believe that i am better than anyone else on this site or in this world (except maybe paulbian), and i also do not believe that i will go to a better place after i die. i have never thought that and i am quite quite sure that no one else at my church believes that. i believe that religion is for personal satisfaction, and the only religions that i know of who believe they are the only people to be "saved" after death are the jehovah's witness and the people who believe in the "rapture" or something like that, and maybe the mormons and i think certain moslems. but to say that everyone who belongs to a religion believes themselves above others is just ignorant and without a complete understanding of the workings and beliefs of that religion.
Cervantes




PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:18 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

It's seems to be that middle eastern religions cause more problems and fighting in the world today than do european and western religions. I think everyone will agree with that. However, flash back and take a look at ancient times until the middle ages. Britain and France were at war with each other so many times.. hundred years war, for example. Look at ireland!!
If today, middle eastern religions cause more problems, why? Is it because they're religions are more geared towards violence than western religions? Or is it the people themselves that are geared towards violence? Is it just because the middle east is only recently been opened up to the world as we become more of a "global village"? Why do Middle Eastern religions and cultures seem to cause more problems in the world today than do western religions and cultures?
Paul




PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:32 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Cervantes wrote:
Why do Middle Eastern religions and cultures seem to cause more problems in the world today than do western religions and cultures?


Eh? wha? part of the problem in the middle east is between the israelies and palestinians, we all know THAT problem was caused by America and Britain.
Cervantes




PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:38 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

precisely. so who's to blame? USA for siding with isreal? or the palestinians and the israelies for continueing to fight on and on with each other?
And,
do western and european religions still cause disputes, fighting, and wars?
Dan




PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:49 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Cervantes wrote:

do western and european religions still cause disputes, fighting, and wars?


yes all the time. just look at bush and his cirstion coaltion.
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