Canadian Politics

[Dan]

jonos wrote:

oh no... the communist party was started in guelph! the city i live in. guelph's full of communists anyways, its a conspiracy to resurect the past government of russia.

pff whould be better then a conservative goverment.

*sits back and wates for the flaming*

[Cervantes]

*votes Liberal*


Conservatives are stupid

Seriously Maverick, how can you like Harris while being a student! He killed education!!! Education is a dead pig that was cut up and mailed to all the taxpayers to ease their finances.

[Dan]

dont forget they also whont to kill free health care!!!!!

[jonos]

well, id like to say some things. i don't they they would kill free health care, they would still have it, they'd just allow private healthcare, which is proven to be better than free health care (medicare) which doesn't get enough money as it is.

and to dan:
id rather have a conservative government founded than a form of government that would push our society back in time, communism is flawed and has no place in todays state (my opinion).

i don't think harris killed healthcare, he introduced a new curriculum which the only people who really complain about it are the people who don't try or do good in school and would do bad in the old one as well (my opinion also). i liked harris, eves is a dick, dalton is a dick, chretien is a dick (all my opinion, but this is interesting seeing who everyone likes.) at least the conservatives are in the lead... eyah./

[Maverick]

Ya i really dojnt give a shit about the education system, ive seen hardly any change and at least Ontario was semi prosperous while he was in power. The rest of em are all dicks in my opinion

[Cervantes]

Reducing the secondary school system from 5 years to 4 years does a number of things:

It makes the curriculum harder; more will not graduate and more will be unemployed
It means we are younger when we go to university. This means we are less mature and also have less money.
It can't even be reversed totally by taking 5 years instead of 4 because the courses are still taught faster. At the end we will have the same courses complete, but we work harder in subjects the whole way through, except taking breaks from them in between. It's silly.

Quote:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

So why did Harris try to fix an education system that wasn't broken to begin with?[/list]

[jonos]

damn, sorry i forgot about the whole grade 13 thing. actually all the people i know (save a few) like it with one less year. it all depends on your opinion of highschool and hwo it shouldl be taught and if you like it.

[Dan]

jonos wrote:

well, id like to say some things. i don't they they would kill free health care, they would still have it, they'd just allow private healthcare, which is proven to be better than free health care (medicare) which doesn't get enough money as it is.

proven by who? u? stop making up false facts.

jonos wrote:

and to dan:
id rather have a conservative government founded than a form of government that would push our society back in time, communism is flawed and has no place in todays state (my opinion).

communism is no more flawed then any other system that exists today. u have just been brain washed by the U.S. and other poleop in to thinking that communism is bad. communism as a system is not bad the problem lines in the croption that has happend in many communism govements. the idea of all poleop having equal materal rights is not bad, i mane all polep having food and a place to live is not a bad thing. of corse that may be hard to see from the convitcie view point of "you have no money so u can just die".

jonos wrote:

i don't think harris killed healthcare, he introduced a new curriculum which the only people who really complain about it are the people who don't try or do good in school and would do bad in the old one as well (my opinion also). i liked harris, eves is a dick, dalton is a dick, chretien is a dick (all my opinion, but this is interesting seeing who everyone likes.) at least the conservatives are in the lead... eyah./

ok now u are saying i don't try or do good in shcool with out even knowing me. i am guseing u go to a prviate school where this whould not even effect u. i dont see how clsoing schools + taking money away from them + geting ride of teaches + geting ride of grade 13 + doubling poleop going in to uni in one year + adding crazy test = better edcuation but since u say i am so bad at school my math could be bad .

[Maverick]

Well i wuld rather have 5 years of school cause then im legal drinking age (but that doesnt stop me anyway) and imm lazy. But really the people who cant finish and are being unemployed are probably not bright in the first place. You get 5 years to take 30 courses that wuld be so easy and everyone wuld have spares. So really ppl are just lazy like me but i really dont care 4 or 5 years.

[jonos]

actually, economically communism is flawed and the fact that the state controls everything is a major flaw because there exists the potentional for corruption which cannot be countered because it is a basic human flaw.

and medicare vs. private health care.

the us healthcare system is a lot better than canada's healthcare. medicare is abused by many people just because it is free. have you not heard of stories of some mother calling an ambulance and a police escort and having her son taken to the emergency room, and put to the front of the emergency room AND THE SON HAD ONLY JUST PULLED HIS TOOTH OUT. is that not an abusing action against our healthcare system. and another example: my brother broke his arm jumping off a porch and he had to wait a whole hour with his broken arm in the emergency room while people were ahead of him for having the flu, or having a cold, or having a headache, or having felt nauseous for a couple seconds. and this was before sars so there was no suspicion of it at the time. and another example, while snowboarding in the us with all my relatives and my family my cousing broke his arm while snowboard and on arriving at the us hospital was immediately seen by a nurse and then a doctor 5 mins later wehen they proved they could pay for it. thats proof enough of private healthcare being better than free (which isn't really free) healthcare.

and in communism, not everybody has the same rights no matter how much they claim that, look at the leaders of the government who get better food, better healthcare, better clothes, more money, more power, more influence while people below them have less.

and on the education, i never called you a bad student, i said that in my opinion (in my experiences) the only people who thought that were lazy people, etc. every person i know who gets good marks has no problem with the new curriculum, while the people who do not get good marks, do not do their homework, do not listen in class, try to make excuses to their laziness with saying harris made the curriculum too hard. i have no problem with one less year, as many peoplke i know also do not, i can take a 5th year if i really want to which i will probably do.

and actually i go to a school which has trouble with giving every student a text book, we don't have enough overhead projectors or tvs, our basketballs suck, our floors become puddles as well as the stairs, we are missing ceiling tiles, my school is a disgrace. maybe getting rid of teachers is a good thing, because then there is more money for the schools, and there is not an abundance of schools like there is still at my school. there are some teachers who teach one subject and get paid full time for just hanging around the halls and the staff room. i don't think an ndp government could do any better, but i don't know because they've never been elected in ontario so i don't know.

[Dan]

well there is no point in aguging with you b/c no matter how many true exaples and facts i give u, u will still be stuck in you fath in a cropted partiy. if u saw the hole pitcher then may be u whould understand. also i bivle u are mistaking spifck govements with communism. just b/c x conotry is communism and is evil dose not make communism evil.

any how who the hell voted for the cirstion party?!?!?!? come on post who u are, that is like 1000 times wores then consrivitves. i mean they whont to rejoin curch and state, thats nuts! region should not be a part of polictics.

i just think that every one should be trated equally, and having private schools, and perviate health care is not treating poleop equacaly. i think that any one who thinks it is should try volotrying in the some of the class for diabled students in public schools. every one overlooks such things when it dose not effect them. just b/c some one is poor should not mean they get a worse editocaion or helath care then any one eltes, and that whould hapen with private helath care and is happing with privaet schools. if it did not no one whould pay for them. the only diffrence betwen the communism conotrys that poleop say are so evil and the U.S and are own is that we give the more rights to poleop with money. and how is that difrernt? well realy it is not, we just make it seem diffrent so we can think we are better then every one. the only reason it dose not show as much is b/c our conotrys are so much ritch then the communism ones. if a contry like russa was as ritch as the U.S. there standered of living whould probly be the same and they whould have the same rigths.

[jonos]

russia is no longer communist. and the reason it was not as rich as the us is because it was communist. communism does not allow for free enterprise, and when people don't get to work for themselves, they don't work as hard, and that IS a proven fact. all communist countries past and present have never been as rich as capitalist countries. and no matter how idealogical one may be, capitalism is still the best form of government for rights, and the advancement of society.

and you saying that no matter how many facts and examples you put forth, i will not change my point of view, i say the same to you. we have both put forth many good points that support our opinion and political ideology, and just because im not bowing down to you and buckling to your will, doesn't mean i don't respect your point of view and opinons. i never said i didn't respect them. i don't recall every saying communism is evil, though it does not allow as many rights as a democratic country does. how rich a country is does not affect its amount of rights citizens can have. its the form of governemtn. communism is a form of authoritarian governemtn which makes use of an autocratic form of decision making (by a group of people who think "best" for the state). and i don't think people with more money have more rights, we can all practice freedom of religion, we can all say f++k to the government, we can all have education, and in the current system all have healthcare, and if we even had private healthcare, everyone would have access to it, it would not be reserved just for rich people, there are ways of making "poor" people able to have healthcare.

anyways, i stay a capitalist and conservative, it has been what i have been brought up with, and it is what i belive in. i am not just changing my point of view on this just because you come out with some good points, there exist inside me a core set of values and beliefs which i wnat to stick to, and being a socialist would not satisfy those core beliefs.

and i never said anything about education being private, i belive that should be for "free" or payment through taxes. and conservatives are not "bad" like you make them out be. the christain party is not bad, they just appeal to people with hardcore christain beliefs. i don't think i have every heard of a christian party saying anytyhing racist. and please remember it was lenin (the communist who helped found communist russia) who killed those who opposed him as well as foreigners at the beginning of communism's rise (which is racist).

[Maverick]

Communism "could" have been a good system of governement if they had a good leader. Every country tyhat has had communism possibly with the exception of Cuba had terrbile corrupt leaders. The reason i say Cuba is becuase before Castro came into office I beleive Batista was the leader and he was essentially the b!tch of the US. Castro came in and actually approved on Cuba and made it better, even tho its still pretty scheisse its much better.

[jonos]

the thing about cuba is that it did advance from what it previously was, but it has not advanced from thje state it is in. castro could be doing a better job though. and the thing about communist countries today, they are not even really "communist". china calls itself communist, but they allow free enterprise so that's not relaly communist, same with laos (i belive). im not too sure about cuba though, i don't know a lot about that.

[Maverick]

There has not really been a country that has done great with communism Cuba is actually on the better end. Ya but some countrys like u said arent fully communist. I think North Korea still is not sure.