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jonos




PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:09 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Damn good shite there Dauntless - your in my heart forever.

I support the conservatives because:
-Steven Harper is 2 hawt 4 u!!!!
-they are willing to do the democratic thing and decide the same-sex marriage question in parliament (like Paul Martin said he would) instead of bypassing it and going through the courts
-they are doing the same thing with abortion
-they are going to manage the government better
-their leader sticks to what he says, unlike Martin who said that he would go through parliament for certain issues but is going through the courts
-blue is a cool colour
-they will upgrade our military to make it more effective and so that we can have a stronger peace keeping role
-they won't put up with shite like Sudan being elected to the Human Rights Council in the League of Nations
-they will cut taxes to stimulate the economy
-they won't put up with Quebec bullsh-t and separation mongering
-they are 2 hawt
brain freeze, can't think of anymore

I won't ask you why you support the Liberals because I can guess why, but at least you don't support the Communists or NDP or the tree huggers or shite parties like that. I'd half to admit, I'd rather have the Liberals than NDP or anything farther left.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:58 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

lets look at thess points:

jonos wrote:

-Steven Harper is 2 hawt 4 u!!!!


right....

jonos wrote:

-they are willing to do the democratic thing and decide the same-sex marriage question in parliament (like Paul Martin said he would) instead of bypassing it and going through the courts


ah, so you are homaphibic are we?

jonos wrote:

-they are doing the same thing with abortion


and going affter the woman now....

jonos wrote:

-they are going to manage the government better


how so?

jonos wrote:

-their leader sticks to what he says, unlike Martin who said that he would go through parliament for certain issues but is going through the courts


How can u know that? The converstives have not had power fedearly in a while. So you can't realy say he dose what he says.

jonos wrote:

-blue is a cool colour


i like green, show i vote for the green party then?

jonos wrote:

-they will upgrade our military to make it more effective and so that we can have a stronger peace keeping role


i dont think it needs upgrade as much as dispanding and then fourming a much smaller more effcent peace keeper group with dose not invale bomb poleop like some conotrys.

jonos wrote:

-they won't put up with shite like Sudan being elected to the Human Rights Council in the League of Nations


Bomb them all to hell right? Who cares if we killl a few 10000 poleop who had nothing to do with it, they got in the way of our take over, opps i mean libration of the counotry.

Beside canada is not the UN or League of Nations, the polical partys of canada are not going to be making magior chages to the UN.

jonos wrote:

-they will cut taxes to stimulate the economy


I keep hearing poleop say that but i have yet to see it ever work right. I think it whould be better to rase taxs and the found public services rather then take money from them.

jonos wrote:

-they won't put up with Quebec bullsh-t and separation mongering


oh so we did not have enogth minorty groups to go affter yet? I mean why the hell not, all ready going affter gays...

jonos wrote:

-they are 2 hawt

same as your 1st point (if u can call it that)




This makes me think, jonos and poleop are all ways going on about how the Communists are the dictaors and whont to take over everything and that the conservices are opiste of this but look at what jonos just side: the conservices whont to go affter gays, women and french canindas and mess with there rights as well as make it legal for them to be openly descrimatend agested. While on the other hand the Communists party is all for protecking the rights of the minortys.

Also he keeps on going say that the communists are all evil and ditatore like, but they whont to give money to public systems like education, hleath care, welfair and free uni with the convertives whont to keep the money with the ritch. Witch one sounds more like a dictaore to you?
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jonos




PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:22 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

First of all, I don't think you should really be replying to what I wrote if you do not have a firm grasp on the concept of sarcasm which fueled probably half of my "points."

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-they are willing to do the democratic thing and decide the same-sex marriage question in parliament (like Paul Martin said he would) instead of bypassing it and going through the courts


ah, so you are homaphibic are we?

How does that make me homophobic? Just because I don't agree with same-sex marriage doesn't make me homophobic. You are assuming that I am homophobic though you have no grounds for it!!!! That is about as stupid as you saying that I hate women and want to take away their rights. The fact is that probably more than half of Canada (not proven or anything) is against gay marriage, even a large part of the liberal party is against it, as well Jack Layton has had to order his MPs to vote in favour of it. No one can accurately predict what effects same-sex marriage will have on our society. First of all, it is a biological dead-end meaning that "making babies is not possible" in the traditional sense of having sex. Secondly, to many people it is against their religion, but you will just call that being Christian zealots so I won't go into that.
It is like society choosing to accept common law marriage as an accepted legal relationship and not knowing of the consequences of this. Common law marriage has: been proven to cause later problems in a legal/religious marriage and been shown to not bind a union together as strongly as a traditional marriage which could then end with single parents, abuse, etc. The same thing with same-sex marriage - it has nothing to do with how I think of gay people (actually I know some gay people and I don't hate them, I fraternize with them, I don't feel like killing them, I respect them, not anything that you have assumed of me in your ignorance), but actually in the societal effects in later years which could include a decreased birth rate (even less than the present one), more anti-free speech laws like Bill C-250 which limits our rights to free speech, etc.
I find it hard to understand how one as intelligent as yourself could actually think that I am homophobic because of my stand on same-sex marriage. Do I hate women because I don't agree with abortion?
By choosing a more democratic route and a free vote in parliament the Conservatives are actually showing that they care how more of "Canada" feels about the issue and not a small group of Judges in the Supreme Court or wherever they want to decide it.

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jonos wrote:

-they are doing the same thing with abortion


and going affter the woman now....

Still assuming stuff in ignorance - which I do understand is how the far-lefties do come up with a lot of their attacks on other parties.
I don't agree with abortion because I consider someone who willingly consents to sex a responsible enough person to be able to deal with a child or at least to take a morning after pill, be prepared with birth control beforehand, or responsible enough to take the test and get the birth aborted within the first 2-3 months of the pregnancy. This, of course, does not apply to rape, sex as a weapon in war, etc in which I would half-heartedly agree with the abortion but still support it. I don't know why you would think me a male chauvanist or wanting to take away women's rights, again I would consider this ignorance and half-brained assumptions on your part, so please stop assuming things that you have no grounds to assume.

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jonos wrote:

-they are going to manage the government better


how so?

Well they would drop the gun registry which is eating up way too much money and more money than what the Liberals predicted.
They would do away with corruption within the government.
A major part of Conservative ideals and beliefs is good money management and effective use of budgetting.
If you really need some more I will take the time later to add some.

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-their leader sticks to what he says, unlike Martin who said that he would go through parliament for certain issues but is going through the courts


How can u know that? The converstives have not had power fedearly in a while. So you can't realy say he dose what he says.

Well, I really can't know, but seeing Harper speak, in what he says, in how he conducts himself, in his basic and core values, I can say with a very small shadow of a doubt that he will do this.

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-blue is a cool colour


i like green, show i vote for the green party then?

Well, yes you should vote for the Green Party because it takes votes from the Liberals.
Also, s-a-r-c-a-s-m. If I write something that does not appear at all in line with other arguments I put forward (not counting 2 hawt 4 u stuff), then it is sarcasm as I am sure others have recognized it as being.

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-they will upgrade our military to make it more effective and so that we can have a stronger peace keeping role


i dont think it needs upgrade as much as dispanding and then fourming a much smaller more effcent peace keeper group with dose not invale bomb poleop like some conotrys.

We can barely peace keep with the size of military we have, how will making it smaller help?

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-they won't put up with shite like Sudan being elected to the Human Rights Council in the League of Nations


Bomb them all to hell right? Who cares if we killl a few 10000 poleop who had nothing to do with it, they got in the way of our take over, opps i mean libration of the counotry.

Beside canada is not the UN or League of Nations, the polical partys of canada are not going to be making magior chages to the UN.

Bomb them to hell!?!?!?!?!?! What the hell do you mean, I didn't say that. What I meant was that they would publicly denounce the decision of the Human Rights Council, or at least do something in an act of protest like the Americans and leave the meeting. At least do something about it. But maybe you don't grasp what type of country Sudan is. I will paint a picture for you:
-Government backed Muslim militia kill Christian (and other) people because they don't want to live under Sharia Law
-Government backed militia displace whole villages, slaughter village inhabitants, rape women, etc (you know, the "lite" stuff)
-Slavery is rampant
-estimated 1 million casualties (civilian) since this started
Of course one Political Party can't do something about it but publicly denounce it and have that denouncement not put in the paper because it is a Conservative denouncement. But a party in power can at least raise a stink about it... protest it in someway... refuse to cooperate with these countries... etc.

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-they will cut taxes to stimulate the economy


I keep hearing poleop say that but i have yet to see it ever work right. I think it whould be better to rase taxs and the found public services rather then take money from them.

The reason you keep hearing people say this is because it works, so I don't think you know what you are talking about when you say that you have yet to see it every work right. Japan, Ireland, and the US has proved it so now you see that it works.
Why raise taxes to keep public services running when you can cut taxes, keep the services at the level that they are at now, and do away with the waste and corruption in government?

Quote:

jonos wrote:

-they won't put up with Quebec bullsh-t and separation mongering


oh so we did not have enogth minorty groups to go affter yet? I mean why the hell not, all ready going affter ***s...

First of all, I'm not going after gays, so please shut the fuck up about that - I don't know where you came up with it. Say anything you want about me being stupid and a war mongerer, but stop with saying that I am racist and a male chauvanist and a homophobe. Please.
Quebec is part of Canada. Quebecers do not realize that as soon as they separate that their economy is going to go down the damn drain which will then make them come crying back to Canada: "let me come back Canada, I don't have enough money." Why should we give them separation if it is going to cost Canada money when Quebec already has more rights than the other provinces. They even have their own common law for Christ's sake. If Quebec separates they will expect money and help from Canada to get their country going. They already act like they have their own country, they already have more provincial power than other provinces, so why can't they just accept it. Another problem is that if Quebec separates then why doesn't Newfoundland get to separate - or Alberta, the province with all the oil. Too many problems.

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This makes me think, jonos and poleop are all ways going on about how the Communists are the dictaors and whont to take over everything and that the conservices are opiste of this but look at what jonos just side: the conservices whont to go affter ***s, women and french canindas and mess with there rights as well as make it legal for them to be openly descrimatend agested. While on the other hand the Communists party is all for protecking the rights of the minortys.

Conservatives don't want to go after gay people, women, or French. That is about as stupid as me saying that because you don't agree with some Christian view, you hate Christians and want to go after Christians.
I don't see how "rights" should be brought up when it comes to an issue that could result in the degeneration of our society.
Conservatives want to make it legal to descriminate against these people? You are calling Conservatives dictators but you are protesting their upholding the right to free speech?
I don't have a problem with the Canadian Communist Party because they will never get in power, they take votes from the Liberals, and there are two of them.
Also, why is their all this shite about minority rights when these people like the Communists and the NDP can't even uphold majority rights? Their thinking is the end of democracy where majority rules, not minority!!!!!!!!!

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Also he keeps on going say that the communists are all evil and ditatore like, but they whont to give money to public systems like education, hleath care, welfair and free uni with the convertives whont to keep the money with the ritch. Witch one sounds more like a dictaore to you?

You can stop your fear-mongering because you are starting to sound like Paul Martin. The Conservatives are not going to take away education, health care, and welfare. What they want is to make the health care better with the money that we are putting into it (which is too much for what we are getting by the way). Concerning welfare, the money would be better spent in giving people who need welfare temporary welfare, training them to find jobs, and training them to better budget their money. If a person is capable of working then they have no right to be a burden and live their life off taxpayers' money.
And yes, Conservatives do want to keep free university off the table because seeing as how badly managed our health-care system is, I can't see how the University system could be better managed. In my opinion, education is not a right, but a privilege.
Paul




PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:03 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Which is one more step towards americanization...
jonos




PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:47 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Americanization does not necessarily mean becoming an American state or doing whatever America does. Americanization can just mean having an awesome economy or having influence in the world to do good in our eyes (not necessarily through military might). If you believe that anything involving becoming more "American" is bad, then you are the imbeciles that the Liberals are directing their attack adds to. Not all of America follows George Bush...
jonos




PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:30 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I own you Hacker Dan.
Paul




PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:39 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Actually, if we are americanized, we would be the same as americans in every way...
jonos




PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:04 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Technically yes, but they [the conservatives] are not going to do that. But when people say "americanize the healthcare system" they mean make it more private and not necessarily exactly like the Americans. So if someone says "americanize the economy", it basically means make it more like the Americans, but not necessarily the exact same.

I still own Hacker Dan.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:34 am   Post subject: (No subject)

If we were to americanize the healthcare system that would be more drastic than you thougt. Our current healthcare system could be described as socialist, and socialism is one thing that the americans do not tolorate in the slightest. If we were to instill a capatalist healthcare system it would mean that we had adopted one of the american's most signifigant identity traits, which would make us closer to being like them.
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:53 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Saying that Americans do not tolerate socialism is like saying that Sweden doesn't tolerate capitalists. There are many socialists in America and a famous one being Michael Moore. And saying that he is not "liked" by the general American public is just as ignorant as what you said about them as socialism, because if no one liked him then why would his books and his movies sell so well?

The Conservatives are not going to Americanize our healthcare system so stop saying they are going to. If they do they will put it to Parliament or to a Referendum and even then it will probably not pass because they will probably never have a majority government and/or the general public doesn't want it. There is another kind of private healthcare which is not capitalist - not for profit private healthcare. This type of healthcare is where one must pay for their healthcare (not through taxes though) but the institution just wants enough money for supplies, salaries, etc.
SuperGenius




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:13 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I was referring to the american government. I'll refer to a few incidents such as the cold war, vietnam war, korean war... these all happened within recent memory, and the fact that the United States sent off thosands upon thousands of soldiers to fight in the latter two conflicts, and that its inteligence sercives reached such magnitudes during the former incidednt attests to the american's hate for socialism. Of course, there are some socialists in the states, but they are a minority which does not have much influence.
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:24 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Those cases were a long time ago - the Cold War ended over a decade ago. Americans hated communism, not socialism, and they hated it because it was a real threat to the world. They went into Vietnam because they wanted to stop the thread of Soviet backed communism - which was badly run communism and dangerous to America and it's allies. This was the case with the Korean War also. If America hated socialism so much why did it not come and kill the CCF when it was formed in Canada. If Americans hated socialism so much then why would Ralph Nader recieve 5% or something of the vote. If Americans hated socialism so much, then why would John Kerry be slowly moving the Democrat party in socialist territory.
SuperGenius




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:37 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

As communism is the extreme form of socialism, the americans HATE communists, whereas socialists are more generally disliked. For a nation such as the states, a decade is next to nothing in terms of time in relation to signifigant historical events such as the cold war.

John Kerry only has so much room to wander from the political path, or else he will find himself in shit. He would lose immediately and utterly if he tried to make america socialist. Due to the fact that america is so utterly capatalist, they can move towards socialism a little without being to socialist.

Why the states didnt invade us...

    they want our resources

    the last time they did they got their asses kicked

    we are the next thing to a puppet state of america, so they find the current arrangement satisfactory, and hence feel no need to change it.
Paul




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:32 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

you forgot our secret inuit army in the north, we'll wait until they go all up against china then we'll send them out to invade the USA. Laughing
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:59 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I disagree with you saying that the "Americans" hate communism. There are communists in America, and to say that all of the residents of America hate communists is like saying that all Canadians live in Igloos. It may seem that Americans hate communists because past communist states have threatened American interests and the interests of the Western World but while the government may not give the impression of loving communists, the general American public in entirety, including everybody, does not hate communists.

As to John Kerry, he will wander as far as he has to to get votes. American society is becoming more socialist, but this may not seem so because of the current administration. But I assure you, were you to visit say Berkeley in California, you would come across a lot more socialists that capitalists. Todays students are more idealistic and socialist then they were in the past - and this goes for America too.

I also disagree with you saying that we are a puppet state of America. Though I sometimes wish we were, this is obviously not the case. Do you see Canadian troops fighting in Iraq? Do you see the soon to be deposed Paul Martin licking Mr. Bush's ass? Do you see America controlling our beef markets - oops Embarassed you may be right when it comes to certain aspects of our economy. But that is only because so much of our economy and products in sold to the US so that is really our fault. Unfortuneately, Canada is becoming more like the European countries plagued by too many social programs and inaction. America could do more with our resources if they controlled us as a state then as a neighbouring country. They're just worried about those crazy people out in Quebec who just blow things up if they don't get to form their own country. (SARCASM!!!). Just for the stupid moderators.
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