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Paul




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:22 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

No... Im going to france next year.
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Dauntless




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:24 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Don't worry, the Canada won't be able to attack France til 2008; it can coincide with the Beijing Olympics. By then, we'll have an army of tasty supersoldiers.
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:52 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

So I'm biased towards communism just because I don't agree with it? ???
I have unfortuneately wasted the time needed to read the Communist Manifest and other books about communism. To me, it is a stupid idea which humans would not be able to utilize. Even Lenin started out with good intentions, but then I guess the fun in killing all opponents just took the joy out of being a good communist. And also, how is communism so good if many of the people living in these countries don't agree with it and don't want it?

Even with increased military spending, we still wouldn't be able to attack countries, which is kind of sad when you look at Dauntless' France proposal. Increased military spending would bring our Armed Forces up to snuff (you know, modern equipment and helicopters, stuff like that). Most likely, our military will still be mainly a peace keeping force, just better equipped, trained, and funded.
If the military budget is not increased, then our military is going to cease to exist. How can we send troops to other countries and expect them to do a good job when we can't even give them good helicopters for fuck sakes.

Good point on the luxury goods though. If a pack of cigarettes cost 15 dollars I'm sure more people would try to quit. If alcohol was more expensive... same thing. And if people really wanted to pay the money for it, then the government would get the money.

Yes, trust the Liberals. They are trying to fix the Gun Registry... how much will that cost. They are trying to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal... but by calling an election they can make people forget about that commission. And yes, let's trust Martin so he can tell us that he did not know about the Sponsorship Scandal, but then later be told of a memo found that proved other wise. But yes he is a good guy, he sure can smile and talk to kids.
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:55 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Okay, new topic (since I won this one):
Should the Chinese rulers convert to democracy?
Paul




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:01 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

No man, its the idealism that keeps it together, if you change to democracy, that would be a revolution, and it would not be a peacefull one.
Tony




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:06 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

chinese economy has been growing at a 10% rate for the past decade... I don't think you should mess with that Thinking
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Dauntless




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:57 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Plus, it seems to me that China is drifting towards some sort of democracy anyways. China should just do what works.

P.S. I'll have a mod edit your post claiming that you won to something ridiculous.
templest




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:15 am   Post subject: (No subject)

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Templest probably means that Western leaders have distorted communism; the Cold War I'd say made most people associate communism with bad feelings, like threat of nuclear war, or simply just established democrazy as good and everything else as bad. Take the Truman doctrine; it expresses explicitly that the US will fight communism. With all these powerful cultural and political pressures, communism has taken on a completely disproportionate connotation.


Nope, I meant what naoki said, but yeah... you're right as well. Wink
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Dan




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:20 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Speaking of communitst had any looked in to the Communist Party of Canada?

I looked in to there platform and wow, i could not aggery with the stuff they say more.

like:

reduce the milltary buget by 50%

Legislate a 32-hour work week with no loss in take-home pay and no loss in service to the public; ban compulsory overtime, raise statutory paid vacations to four weeks

Lower the voluntary pension age

Raise the federal minimum wage to $12/hour.

Spend at least 1% of the federal budget on social and non-profit housing

full pay equity for women workers Promote worker-run cooperatives.

Stop privatization - extend public ownership & democratic control

Defend Medicare - expand social programs

Tax the greedy, not the needy (Legislate a truly progressive tax system, based on ability to pay! Increase the corporate tax rate to 19%, and tax all capital gains)

Eliminate taxes on incomes under $35,000/yr. Scrap the regressive GST. Impose wealth and inheritance taxes on estates over $700,000.

No Canadian participation in US military aggression.

No to the US Missile Defence "Star Wars" plan.

converting military to civilian jobs.

Support the global abolition of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction.

Justice for Aboriginal peoples and Quebec

Full equality for women

Increase federal support for education at all levels; rollback and eliminate tuition fees for post-secondary education. Shift from loans to grants for student assistance. Guarantee the rights of youth to training and apprenticeship programs. Build better schools and colleges, not more prisons and "boot camps."

Lower the voting age to 16 years.

Fight racism and discrimination

Expand democratic rights (no more anti-terror crap where u can be heald forever with no reason)

Fair elections - proportional representation

Support family farms and defend Canada's food sovereignty

Put nature before profits. Enforce stronger penalties on polluters. Make Canada a world leader in reduction of ozone-depleting gases and hydrocarbons.
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jonos




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:50 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

"Raise minimum wage to $12/hr."
Not possible... we would see the rapid decline of business (which they probably want) and then there would be no jobs. Companies cannot afford to pay $12/hr (except a few).

"reduce the milltary buget by 50%"
They would have to increase the military budget by 50% just for more soldiers to control the raging mobs which would form just by having to live with what they propose.

Just because a person is rich doesn't mean that they are greedy, it justs means that they are successful. A lot of rich people give more to charity than socialists, so by increasing taxes for rich people would just hurt the charities who are getting the rich people's money.

"Support the global abolition of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction."
Sorry fellow war-mongerers... I'd have to agree with this one.

"Justice for Aboriginal peoples and Quebec"
Aboriginal peoples do need better justice, but Quebec gets more justice than the rest of the provinces. They control in their province a lot more than what other provinces control so they can kiss my ass.

"Full equality for women."
Apparently the Communists are still living in the early 1900s.

"Lower the voting age to 16 years."
That would be good in some cases, but most 16 year olds can't even name the prime minister, even with all the publicity he is getting.

"Fight racism and discrimination."
Sorry fellow racists, I'd have to agree with this.

"Fair elections - proportional representation."
Damn good idea, but too bad most of the other parties agree with it.

Damn... those communists having something for everybody (well... almost).
Paul




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:59 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:
"Raise minimum wage to $12/hr."
Companies cannot afford to pay $12/hr (except a few).

Eh? A decent factory labourer position can get $12 easily. $12/hr makes up for a salary around $25,000/year, which is pretty low if you ask me, most people make more than that, which is more than $12/hr.

jonos wrote:

Just because a person is rich doesn't mean that they are greedy, it justs means that they are successful. A lot of rich people give more to charity than socialists, so by increasing taxes for rich people would just hurt the charities who are getting the rich people's money.

Lol, its just an expression, something that rhymes with needy.

jonos wrote:

"Full equality for women."
Apparently the Communists are still living in the early 1900s.


Whats wrong with supporting it? Maintaining full equality for women is a good idea isn't it?

jonos wrote:

That would be good in some cases, but most 16 year olds can't even name the prime minister, even with all the publicity he is getting.

I dunno which hole ur from buddy.
naoki




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:34 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Hacker Dan wrote:
Speaking of communitst had any looked in to the Communist Party of Canada?

reduce the milltary buget by 50%

Yes, because Canada is spending so much on military. That's why our soldiers wear green uniforms in Iraq and pilot 30 year old choppers and transport copters.

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Raise the federal minimum wage to $12/hour.

Letting teenagers make that much money is absurd, and this act would only result in companies cutting back more on safety standards and whatnot just to keep up their profits.

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full pay equity for women workers Promote worker-run cooperatives.
No Canadian participation in US military aggression
Justice for Aboriginal peoples and Quebec
Fight racism and discrimination


A lot of that seems like false promises. All that stuff about fighting racism and equal rights for Aboriginals comes without any specific guidelines. They might as well claim "Will prevent WW3 from ever happening" on their platform.

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Increase federal support for education at all levels; rollback and eliminate tuition fees for post-secondary education. Shift from loans to grants for student assistance. Guarantee the rights of youth to training and apprenticeship programs. Build better schools and colleges, not more prisons and "boot camps."

the hell do they mean by "boot camps" ? and i really don't think it's possible for university and college education to remain as well as it is if the tuition fees are cut and universities lose more money on loans? How the hell do they expect to attract skilled professors to come teach when they're offering them $30000 Cd a year? I really don't think we're gonna succeed just by reading textbooks.

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Lower the voting age to 16 years.

expect parties supporting "less school" and "more malls" to get the votes. the majority of 16 year olds who live in Canada are idiots. Just take a walk to your nearby mall and watch as kids struggle with simple math, opening doors and where a checkout line is
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Put nature before profits. Enforce stronger penalties on polluters. Make Canada a world leader in reduction of ozone-depleting gases and hydrocarbons.

Factories get closed. People lose jobs. Welfare increases. All to make Canada able to brag to its neighbors?
Actually, my chemistry teacher stated that while he was driving to Florida, all along the way he saw signs saying "Coal keeps the lights on". Do you see where people's priorities lie?
jonos




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:23 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Well, go and talk to some random 16 year olds you meet on the street and not the people at your school where (paraphrasing you) and 80% is around a 90%.

Women have the same rights as men.

$12/hr for a factory worker... not a cashier working at a freaking dollar store who is in grade 10. Teenagers are not earning that money stocking shelves for a 4 hour shift is not worth 12 dollars an hour. If 7 dollars an hour is too low for the job then those people can just go work in your 12 dollar an hour factory which they can find easily.
Dan




PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:06 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I dont thunk u guys fully understand there plans, they whould most like be able to fullfill thos promuims b/c they whould be magory chaging how tax system works and whould basickly be taking the moeny from all the big comanys and rich poleop who have to much anyway. Also if the redoce the mittray by 50% they whould also get a few billion. This whould be more then enougth money to go throw with there plans.

The idea of geting ride of paying for post-scoendery eduation is not a new one and is aucaly like that in some places in eurpoe. Perosnaly i think it is a gr8 idea, every one is intiled to equcal education. Also it is not like they just going to say to the unis that they have to do it for free, they whould be foudning it. Also the grantes insted of lones is a good idea too, dont need to put students in deat for the rest of there lives.

Politcks effect all of us young and old, just think what one politcal party witch i will not name did to grade 13 and eduation, that effected 16 and 17 year olds as much as 18 year olds so why not let them vote?

Also i see making min wage $12/hr a good as well, what it dose is take money from the ritch and give it to the poor. I guse i could see how the ritch whould not like that Rolling Eyes I dont think comanys whould be cuting back on saftey b/c they got to pay more b/c there are laws about safte standereds.

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Factories get closed. People lose jobs. Welfare increases. All to make Canada able to brag to its neighbors?
Actually, my chemistry teacher stated that while he was driving to Florida, all along the way he saw signs saying "Coal keeps the lights on". Do you see where people's priorities lie?


i think they ment more of puting higher taxs on compayns that polote and kill the everoimet and new laws on bad emidtions. Also if we kill the o-zone the least of our worises will be if we have jobs. U most realy hate the green party then eh?



Any how i am glad to see all thes lite partys geting more well know. Some of them have some realy good ideas. It is to bad that more poleop do not take the time to look in to them. I whould defualty vote for the Communist this election or the green party, if nothing eltes it will show the other partys that they need to start thinkless about the cmaping and more about the poleop who make up this contory
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Paul




PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:44 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Im learning German, cause Universities in Germany are free.
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