----------------------------------- jamonathin Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:03 am Geometry and Discrete ----------------------------------- The University of Windsor came to my school a last week, and the only prerequisites for the Computer Science program are English, Calc, And Geo and Dis. + 3 U/M's (same with Western). And it was then that I realized that I dont need 4 U courses and I could get into university. So I took up Geo and Discrete, however im a month and some into the course and lost like hell. Does anyoen know of a good math site that could help me catch up with it? ----------------------------------- brenn Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:13 am ----------------------------------- Hmm, I don't know about websites, but consult your teacher.... and miscellaneous compsci people in math :D Are you still on Proofs? :? ----------------------------------- jamonathin Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:47 am ----------------------------------- We're doin some vector type crap, and that's pretty much the best I can describe. My teacher's also my calc teacher and my XC coach, and I know he doesn't really have much time right now, but I will be asking him for assitance . . soon enough. ----------------------------------- brenn Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:55 am ----------------------------------- Did your textbook come with a CD or DVD for extras? Try the textbook author/publisher websites, and see if they have anything. ----------------------------------- jamonathin Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:19 pm ----------------------------------- Well, [url=http://www.harcourtcanada.com/school/math/geometry/]this is the website for it, and all it appears to do is explain what the book has, because they want you to buy it. . Then I found [url=http://www.harcourtcanada.com/school/math/geometry/links.htm]this, which could in turn answer my own question. Good call Brenn :draw: . ----------------------------------- brenn Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:48 pm ----------------------------------- I think I used that textbook (it's about the same color for the cover) but I can't remember, oh well ^^;; :D Good luck with Discrete~ It's hard but really useful if you want to study hardcore Math or Engineering later :) ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:57 pm ----------------------------------- Suck it up and learn. It's a bitch at first, but I think you'll find it isn't so bad later on. Particularly with the geometry parts, they may be easier for you to visualise. As for UWindsor, know this. Alot of people will say "Oh, Windsor isn't as bad as everybody says it is." And even more people will say "Windsor? LOL, u sux!1" Well, here's how it goes. University of Windsor's computer science program is... crap. Sorta. If you know anything about computer science, the first year is a waste of your time. You WILL get stuck with "Dr." Ezeife, and you WILL hate you, and you MAY entertain the idea of murder. Ignore that last one. If you can get through first year without killing others or yourself, it does get better. You will find that there are actually professors who speak (and/or understand) the English language. Though, you don't even actually need to wait until second year for it. If you end up going to the University of Windsor be sure to look into ways you can actually get involved in computer science. There's a computer science society that does... something, but I think you may find CIDER more interesting (assuming you're at all curious with game development). Good luck, and stuff, lemme know if I can help you with anything or explain the above rambling in a more understandable fashion. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:07 pm ----------------------------------- jamonathin - you mentioned wanting to develop video games. Geometry is essensial. You absolutly need it for any sorts of physics. Trying to move something on the screen? Those are vectors. You know how its like x += vx y += vy That's a vector. Try to relate the two consepts. As you learn something new in class, see how you can use that to program some complex movements on a computer screen. Relate something new to something you enjoy doing -- you'll be ahead of the class. Best of luck with getting into a University. Ask away if you have any difficulties. ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:08 pm ----------------------------------- i am sorry, geo and discrete course is trivial :lol: actually if u want help anytime, goto cyberboard on www.sosmath.com ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:03 pm ----------------------------------- From my exprice Geometry and Discrete math aucatly is avabluble corse for compsci, not so much in the highschool level tho. What i think is comple bull shit for compsci students is calculess, epstaly when u get a prof that just whonts to weed peoleop out. Tho another thing i have found is that courses being hard, fun, easy or just noraml is alot to do with the instruceter. A good prof/teacher can make the hardest corse seem better. to many thess days just care about there pay check and meeting there qoutats of pass and fail. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:51 pm Re: Geometry and Discrete ----------------------------------- So I took up Geo and Discrete, however im a month and some into the course and lost like hell. I thought there was a deadline for adding a new course? September 19th or something like that. Does this rule not apply in your district, or did you convince guidance/principal that you could do it? ----------------------------------- StarGateSG-1 Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:12 pm Re: Geometry and Discrete ----------------------------------- So I took up Geo and Discrete, however im a month and some into the course and lost like hell. Does anyoen know of a good math site that could help me catch up with it? I could help you i am in the same course and it would be the same text book, I am pretty goo dat this stuff, I would be happy to help. ----------------------------------- jamonathin Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:13 am ----------------------------------- Coutsos - I pretty well understand your rambling, i think i've been around long enough and read several of your comments, lol. The one thing im not shure of is the computer science society or CIDER; because i am quite interested wit hgame development. Tony - That makes a lot of sense, I'll try for shure to implement that, cuz even last night i was looking at some of the stuff and i really could relate it to compsci. bugz - Thanks for the site :) Dan - My teacher right now is pretty good, but i know what you mean about foreign compsci teachers. Windsor whowed us a pic of the Compsci department, and i thought they were still showing us foreign exchange scholars. . . Cervantes - Yeah i dunno lol. Cuz they already had one test, so im trying to learn that test, and what i need to do for the test i have next wednesday :?. But i think it's because she realized this was my only chance of getting in U without summer/night school. George just lucky i guess. (but my names not george :o ) Stargate - Sounds good man :). Thanks for your help and 'encouragement' guys, lol. I'll need it. :) ----------------------------------- codemage Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:32 am ----------------------------------- My teacher right now is pretty good, but i know what you mean about foreign compsci teachers. Windsor whowed us a pic of the Compsci department, and i thought they were still showing us foreign exchange scholars. . . Same with any CompSci department I've ever seen. If I can grossly stereotype, they typically know their stuff, but couldn't teach it to anyone else if their life depended on it. I also share the sentiments about calculus in CompSci. Math is necessary - but too many programs teach Compsci like everyone is planning to minor in math. ----------------------------------- jamonathin Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:00 am ----------------------------------- Coutsos - I pretty well understand your rambling, i think i've been around long enough and read several of your comments, lol. The one thing im not shure of is the computer science society or CIDER; because i am quite interested wit hgame development. Now I understand why coutsos knows what the CompSci department's like, and all about that CIDER society . . Here's a UofW [url=https://janus.newcs.uwindsor.ca/phpBB2/]forum. And there's CIDER at the bottom. But before I got that far i saw a name. "coutso1" and i was like, hey, i wonder what that means, cuz now thats the second person who has a name like that. Then i continued my search into CIDER and found this little [url=https://janus.newcs.uwindsor.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9089]topic. I almost started to miss that avatar, almost. ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:41 am ----------------------------------- I almost started to miss that avatar, almost. Yeah coutsos. This Cascade Failure avatar just doesn't suite you. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:54 pm ----------------------------------- Yeah... What was with joining IRC with coutso1? ;) ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:11 pm ----------------------------------- You didn't hear this from me, but if you go to the Harcourt Canada site, and go to the page for the Geometry or Calculus books, there's a "teachers manual" or whatever in the left sidebar. Go there. It asks you for a password. The password is "evan". Enjoy ;) What the handbook is is full written solutions for the non-trivial questions in the book. Not just the ANSWERS, but actual written-out solutions. Why they don't make this available to students, I'll never understand, but there you have it :) Enjoy, and I hope it helps you! ----------------------------------- Mazer Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:54 pm ----------------------------------- Jamonathin, you're one freak of a stalker! Anyways, CIDER isn't a society... saying so makes it sound weird. As for the avatar, I'd use this one over there too if I didn't think calling my professor a "Malaka" would be inappropriate. Calling someone (anyone, everyone) here a "Malaka" is fine. Heh. ----------------------------------- jamonathin Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:00 pm ----------------------------------- Jamonathin, you're one freak of a stalker! 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Now come join the channel so we can talk about how weird you are. ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:11 am ----------------------------------- My teacher leaves the proofs till last, 'cause we're applying for university in like a month :D In other news, engineering programs at UW don't seem to require Geometry anymore... am I the only one that thinks people going in with Stats instead of geo are going to be pwned? ----------------------------------- jamonathin Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:38 pm ----------------------------------- Yeah i saw that too. Geometry was an option of one of the pre-requsites. You could have like Bio or Physics instead, and now that im learnin it, geometry looks more important that calculus, at least thats what i think. ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Oct 15, 2005 6:00 pm ----------------------------------- now that im learnin it, geometry looks more important that calculus, at least thats what i think. Not unless you're in Engineering. Everything is calculus. Ouch. ----------------------------------- Boo-chan Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:24 pm ----------------------------------- Well not everything, if your in chemical engineering its about half algebra. ----------------------------------- wtd Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:15 am ----------------------------------- How about this: if you only focus on one area of math, then you'll be awful at math. Just like programming. Know how to write killer OO code, but don't know anything about functional or logic-based programming? Well, you're going to be an awful programmer. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:24 pm ----------------------------------- well.. unlike programming... math is huge!.. right? ----------------------------------- jamonathin Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:28 pm ----------------------------------- now that im learnin it, geometry looks more important that calculus, at least thats what i think. Not unless you're in Engineering. Everything is calculus. Ouch. I was referring to more of the programming side. But i cant say anything about engineering, cuz wull i dont really know anything about it. :| ----------------------------------- wtd Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:40 pm ----------------------------------- well.. unlike programming... math is huge!.. right? Programming is huge. :) ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:10 pm ----------------------------------- hmm kinda small in comparison to math.. :wink: ----------------------------------- md Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:57 pm ----------------------------------- Given that programming can incorperate all of math... I'd have to disagree :P ----------------------------------- we64 Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:50 am ----------------------------------- Discrete class is more like for pure math geeks. Engineers don't learn much about geometry? that is so weird... ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:30 pm ----------------------------------- Discrete class is more like for pure math geeks. Engineers don't learn much about geometry? that is so weird... Well as i think i have side in this topic or one like some time ago, gemoetry and discrete mathaticks are not realy the same topic at all and should not be in the same corse as in highschool. Discrete (or finte mathicaks) is very impornt in computers and has alot of the funduments that systems are based on like boolean alragrea, sets, vector sets, matrixes, and so on. Well geometry is more like the study of trig proofs, vectors and stuff along thos lines. (at least that is what i have seen, i have not realy taken any geometry corses other then geometry and discrete in highschool, tho i have taken a few discrete realted corses in uni). Aucatly i find the stuff in discrete mataticks and linear alrgbera to be very usefull in progaming and in math realted problems in general. ----------------------------------- we64 Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:34 pm ----------------------------------- I guess I need to get my head around this. I have always thought Engineers need to have good geometry skills and 3D minded.