----------------------------------- Mazer Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:07 pm Firefox and Opera ----------------------------------- I know after the announcement of Opera being released as freeware alot of people switched over to it from Firefox (or at least played around with it). Just curious... how many people are staying with Opera? What is it that makes you stay away from Firefox? Personally I'm thinking of going back. I had everything set up just the way I liked, everything worked just the way I wanted it to work, and adblocking annoying pictures is just great. Other than personal preference, I'm really not seeing anything terribly extraordinary from Opera. ----------------------------------- Neo Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:40 pm Re: Firefox and Opera ----------------------------------- Personally I'm thinking of going back. I had everything set up just the way I liked, everything worked just the way I wanted it to work, and adblocking annoying pictures is just great. Thats also my reason for sticking with firefox. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:24 pm ----------------------------------- I can see those reasons. On the other hand... Firefox, while rock-solid on Windows is less than wonderfully stable on Linux, for me. I like the stability of Opera. ----------------------------------- Martin Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:39 pm ----------------------------------- I think that opera is much better laid out than Firefox. The tabs being above the explore bar makes more sense in my opinion. Same with the [x]'s being on the tabs rather than in the corner. Alas, no adblock though. Now, that's not to say that I don't also like Firefox. It's a bizarre love triangle. ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:57 pm ----------------------------------- I like Opera much more then Firefox. like Martin, I also like the layout of Opera much better then Firefox's. I've been using Opera for 3 or 4 months now, and I don't have any problems with it. I'm staying with Opera. ----------------------------------- codemage Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:22 am ----------------------------------- I started using Opera before trying out Firefox. I found nothing incredibly novel about FF that would make me want to switch. (I found it a lot closer to IE - I think Opera is more novel). Also, a lot of independent studies show that Opera is a faster browser (page loading), and I tend to agree. ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:20 am ----------------------------------- I can see those reasons. On the other hand... Firefox, while rock-solid on Windows is less than wonderfully stable on Linux, for me. I like the stability of Opera. yea a lot of you guys complain about firefox's instability (well on linux anyways)... i just want to point out.. it's rock solid on archlinux.. and ehm.. its zippier than my windows version.. Some site don't render correctly on opera.. so i dont use it on linux... but on windows opera runs faster than firefox... hence that's my default there.. on the mac it's camino & safari.. heh ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:05 pm ----------------------------------- It's not instable in that it spontaneously crashes, but the XUL interface sometimes... just quits, leaving a rendered page and big gray bars where the toolbars and such were. ----------------------------------- beard0 Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:45 pm ----------------------------------- Same with the Cue the best part about Firefox - extensions! The "Tab Mix" extension allows you to have a close button on each tab. Having said this, I haven't yet had the time to check out Opera and see which I like better - it's still on my todo list. ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:22 am ----------------------------------- Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! 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Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Firefox! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Opera! Well, I'm convinced. :) Me too. ----------------------------------- beard0 Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:15 pm ----------------------------------- Firefox! Firesomething! Ãœberbunny! Lightninggrub! Beardedslug! Sunmoose! Thunderbear! Beardedzebra! Turboplatypus! Lightningfox! Junglepiranha! Seaturtle! Firewolf! Spacefox! Ultrapanther! Thundercrab! Jungleklumpen! Turbomongoose! Thundermonkey! Turbogoose! Waterdragon! Lightningsalamander! Thundermole! Thunderchipmunk! Thunderdeer! Sunchicken! Beardedelk! Thunderhare! Junglesalamander! Spaceduck! Thundertoad! Lighningcricket! Beardedmouse! Ãœbergoat! Sunshark! Spacecamel! Ultratrout! Junglegrub! Ultrajaguar! Waterant! Watercanary! Seaiguana! Wateradder! Suntiger! Firequail! Sunvulture! Turboarachnid! Turbocougar! Supercondor! Ultrapelican! Sunhawk! Junglejackalope! Beardedtoad! ----------------------------------- md Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:26 pm ----------------------------------- Firefox! Firesomething! Ãœberbunny! Lightninggrub! Beardedslug! Sunmoose! Thunderbear! Beardedzebra! Turboplatypus! Lightningfox! Junglepiranha! Seaturtle! Firewolf! Spacefox! Ultrapanther! Thundercrab! Jungleklumpen! Turbomongoose! Thundermonkey! Turbogoose! Waterdragon! Lightningsalamander! Thundermole! Thunderchipmunk! Thunderdeer! Sunchicken! Beardedelk! Thunderhare! Junglesalamander! Spaceduck! Thundertoad! Lighningcricket! Beardedmouse! Ãœbergoat! Sunshark! Spacecamel! Ultratrout! Junglegrub! Ultrajaguar! Waterant! Watercanary! Seaiguana! Wateradder! Suntiger! Firequail! Sunvulture! Turboarachnid! Turbocougar! Supercondor! Ultrapelican! Sunhawk! Junglejackalope! Beardedtoad! Nah, Notoroge is more convincing ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:41 pm ----------------------------------- I'm all for wtd's subliminal messaging :). ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:00 pm ----------------------------------- Smooth, wtd. :) I'm on Opera right now. I like the Mouse Gestures a lot. I like the fact that you can detach tabs. I don't like how it doesn't seem to cache images. I don't like how, when I click a link on a page that has not completed loading it screws up a little, such as by outputing some of the html code on the screen or modifying the size of the tables. I don't like the fact that it doesn't use the system theme. ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:34 pm ----------------------------------- I like the theme it comes with. And since I'm using the Media Center theme it fits in perfectly. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:37 pm ----------------------------------- I switched to Opera permanently simply because Firefox took ten or more seconds to load for the first time per session on Linux (it fared better on Windows, but still pales on both platforms in comparison to Opera). I miss the extensions, but I don't really do anything supremely fancy with my browser anyway. ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:56 pm ----------------------------------- well, I switched over, but I have a question. Say, for live journal, I go to my friends page, and it loads from cache, so it is necessary for me to refresh every time I visit. Is there anyway I can avoid that? ----------------------------------- Notoroge Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:59 am ----------------------------------- Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Browsing Un-tick "Re-use Existing Page" Update: You can also go into "History" and put a check in "Empty on Exit" beside "Disk Cache", so that it uses new info when you re-open the browser. ----------------------------------- Amailer Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:04 pm ----------------------------------- Firefox 1.4 & 1.5 Beta has a really annoying problem, not sure if really a problem but .... Now when Im dling stuff in the background (torrents), it slows down my browsing speed.... -.- This definately never used to happne before...at least I couldn't feel it. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/pacifica-mozilla1.8/ Latest development releases ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:09 pm ----------------------------------- Even more reason to use Opera! Firefox beta sucks! :o *ducks* ----------------------------------- wtd Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:24 pm ----------------------------------- Opera 10 Beta sucks! Use Firefox 0.9! ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:25 pm ----------------------------------- eh... ----------------------------------- w00t Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:59 pm ----------------------------------- FIREFOX with a little more fire than your average fox ----------------------------------- beard0 Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:52 pm ----------------------------------- Firefox: Free from the begining. It's got a ring, doesn't it? vs. Opera: Free, now that we realise people aren't willing to pay for our browser because it's not that good. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:55 am ----------------------------------- Opera: Free, now that we realise people aren't willing to pay for our browser because it's not that good. Actually, you've got it backwards. The reason Opera made it free was because the company was so succesfull that they could afford to operate off of support costs alone. What sort of company decides to counter bad sales and lack of profit with giving away their product for free? :P Opera is still a thriving company, simply able to make money from tech support/donations/advertising. Exactly how many commercial open-source projects operate, only ... Opera isn't open source yet :? ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:09 am ----------------------------------- What sort of company decides to counter bad sales and lack of profit with giving away their product for free? General Motors. ----------------------------------- beard0 Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:00 am ----------------------------------- Opera: Free, now that we realise people aren't willing to pay for our browser because it's not that good. Actually, you've got it backwards. The reason Opera made it free was because the company was so succesfull that they could afford to operate off of support costs alone. What sort of company decides to counter bad sales and lack of profit with giving away their product for free? :P Opera is still a thriving company, simply able to make money from tech support/donations/advertising. Exactly how many commercial open-source projects operate, only ... Opera isn't open source yet :? I was speaking from a point of total ignorance as I wrote that, but I knew that, and was doing so for comedic effect only :) ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:44 pm ----------------------------------- What sort of company decides to counter bad sales and lack of profit with giving away their product for free? It wouldn't be an entirely novel idea. Opera gives away their desktop browser for free, gets a boatload of attention and pushes the market in a standards-compliant direction. This makes it more likely that they'll sell Opera for handheld devices like smartphones, which is ultimately more likely to generate substantial revenue. ----------------------------------- Ultra Jugulator Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:45 pm ----------------------------------- I tried Opera a few times in my friend's PC but I didn't find anything special on it. I guess I have to dedicate more time to it and see it myself the advantages of having Opera in my PC. :wink: ----------------------------------- beard0 Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:48 pm ----------------------------------- Ultra Jugulator: You seriously need a smaller avatar. ----------------------------------- lyam_kaskade Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:55 pm ----------------------------------- What sort of company decides to counter bad sales and lack of profit with giving away their product for free? : Eh? :eh: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape#Netscape_6_.28versions_6.0-6.2.3.29]Netscape? ----------------------------------- codemage Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:37 am ----------------------------------- Microsoft even does that occasionally. (There's a company with a pretty effective business model). Sometimes that's necessary to stay in line with your competition. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:57 pm ----------------------------------- "Sometimes"? Microsoft gives things away for free all the time to support its business model. Why do you think they haven't really cracked down on piracy effectively? People use Windows and Office because "everyone uses it". If everyone had to pay for it, then not everyone would use it, and the single compelling reason to use their product goes out the window. They make the money back by charging large companies exorbitant licensing fees. Those companies pay it because they're afraid of getting sued, and they're afraid of being left out in the cold if they don't follow Microsoft's lead, because "everyone uses Windows and Office". ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:43 pm ----------------------------------- either way back to firefox vs. opera: i'm eyeing this: http://gfox.mozdev.org/ (once it's out,,, no switching back) take a look at this too: http://www.epigoon.com/?pag=project (cool stuff) ----------------------------------- goomba Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:00 pm ----------------------------------- OS X users, look no further: http://www.caminobrowser.org Mozilla Power, Mac Style. (Be sure to download the 1.01a alpha, as there have been over a year's worth of improvements from the last "stable" version.) BTW, Opera makes all its money off its mobile divison, since more and more phone companies are licensing Opera as (rightfully) the best mobile browser out there. That's why they can afford to give away Opera desktop. And that's also why Opera will probably never go open source.