----------------------------------- wtd Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:32 pm NetBeans 5.0 Beta ----------------------------------- http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/50/index.html GUI designer demo: http://www.netbeans.org/files/documents/4/475/matisse.html ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:06 pm ----------------------------------- yea.. well i was to post that.. once the "release" version was out.. darn it.. i didn;t realize they got all those features functional soo fast.. sweet. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:59 pm ----------------------------------- NetBeans has always been my Java IDE of choice, and I've been drooling over Matisse since I first saw the demo about five months ago. I installed the beta two days ago, and man is it sweet 8) ----------------------------------- turboliux Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:27 am ----------------------------------- whats so sweet about Net Beans? maybe i m still a noob, but I use JCreator and it saves my day 8) ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:48 am ----------------------------------- netbean's matisse is one of the greatest GUI building tools available for Java for free.. Netbeans wasn't really comparable with Eclipse sometime ago.. now it has a chance to compete.. eitherway Eclipse's VE (visual editor) is pathetic! I've seen some demos of IntelliJ's IDEA. Oh man that was sweet! Didn't know coding can be so much fun. :lol: (too bad it's not free) I can't wait for Netbeans 5.0 though... the beta one has some serious bugs.. The most apparent one is it's code-folding mechanism. Try it out and you'll see. But Netbeans 5.0 will "really" rock on Mustang. Cuz mustang has such great enhancements to it's swing library.. you are gonna drool. :lol: like for example.. everything swing is OpenGL rendered (woots!).. the new opengl singlethreaded pipeline for maximum performance (another woots!). and then you get free font sub-pixel anti-aliasing throughout ur app. (finally!).. and much more.. infact since everythign is opengl rendered.. there were discussions on makeing a 3D PLAF ;) (that would be kinda cool) yep can't wait till mustang. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:00 am ----------------------------------- Something wierd's happened to my netbeans5.0-beta install (on Linux). It crashed once while I was using Matisse, and now the JVM is failing whenever I try to run it. Netbeans 4.1 is still good though. I guess I'll file a bug report and try to reinstall. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:20 am ----------------------------------- worked fine on windows... hmm ----------------------------------- Ultra Jugulator Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:59 pm ----------------------------------- Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows. :wink: It runs marvelous! ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:03 pm ----------------------------------- Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows. :wink: Can you elaborate on that? :P An important bug fix made in the Linux version of NetBeans -- loading Projects directly off of mounted NFS shares. Didn't work before, works great now. Yay NetBeans! :D ----------------------------------- goomba Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:06 pm ----------------------------------- Eclipse IMO is much better and more stable than NetBeans on all platforms. Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:04 pm ----------------------------------- Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted. how so? ----------------------------------- goomba Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:27 pm ----------------------------------- It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this) and I don't like the fact that it relies on its own nonstandard packages for many of its layout features. I also like to have more control over how the GUI initialization methods are handled. Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:45 pm ----------------------------------- It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this) Good point. This has always annoyed the heck out of me, and I don't know if/how it can be changed. Perhaps rizzix does? Despite a few shortcomings, Netbeans is what I'm most familiar with, and at the end of the day, thats really what matters most, all else being approximately equal. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:19 am ----------------------------------- Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works. That is possible... in the near future... take a look at this project: https://jdnc.dev.java.net/ it provides a means of creating the GUI by writing XML files... if that procedure is automated.. ;) well we've got the Interface Builder equivalent for SWING. Eitherway.. eclipse's VisualEditor is pathetic... you can't compare eclipse to netbeans on that score.. Hikaru79: no actually i don't know... i dont use netbeans.. although i plan to use it but only after 5.0 is "released". Nevertheless if you're not satisfied with matisse.. there's always (the non-free) http://jformdesigner.com/ ([url=http://jformdesigner.com/demos/]demos) ----------------------------------- rizzix Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:46 pm ----------------------------------- i just tried out the Beta2 on my mac: here's a screenshot.. wait... i can't upload... i thought dan said this was working perfectly.. ----------------------------------- turboliux Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:05 pm ----------------------------------- i started to like Netbeans 5, the GUI editor is awesome. However, there sometimes some exceptions coming up.. well.. that why it's beta, hehe. Also, its weird that in the "Source" mode you cannot edit the code =S, maybe you know whats the problem? ----------------------------------- rizzix Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:38 am ----------------------------------- that's not a bug.. any code highlighted blue.. is code maintained by netbeans... you are not supposed to be modifying that code... hence it's uneditable. ----------------------------------- turboliux Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:48 am ----------------------------------- HENCE it su**s, no offence NetBean lovers. I would say that this doesnt give any flexibility like... let say Dreamweaver gives - you can construct design and later edit it as a code. I guess i have to draw design in Netbeans, and then edit it in JCreator =] ----------------------------------- rizzix Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:51 am ----------------------------------- nope... u simply don't know how to use it... yet... look at Apple's Interface Builder.. You can't edit the code there either (actually it doesn't generate code.. but xml instead.. which again.. ur not supposed to edit manually).. Yet it's far far ahead in terms of functionality, flexibility, etc.. Netbeans is trying to imitate that.. but instead of xml it directly generates code. Learn to use the Tool ;) hint: try adding event handler through the GUI. (that's the only time you'd ever need to actually edit the code) ----------------------------------- turboliux Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:55 am ----------------------------------- ok, i will try this feature then... ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:01 pm ----------------------------------- New Matisse Tutorial: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/50/quickstart-gui.html ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:10 pm ----------------------------------- Oh, and, RC2 has been released. Bugfixes galore, hopefully. ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:42 pm ----------------------------------- Yea most of the issues I had, have dissappeared. ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:34 am ----------------------------------- It's here [url=http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/50/index.html]finally! Netbeans profiler tutorial, [url=http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/nb-profiler-tutor-8.html]here ----------------------------------- apomb Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:30 pm Re: NetBeans 5.0 Beta ----------------------------------- I'm having a hard time installing Netbeans in Linux. the error is : No Java Development Kit(JDK) was found on this system. but i installed it ages ago, when i was compiling at the command line. is there something else i need? ----------------------------------- alpabarot Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:01 am Re: NetBeans 5.0 Beta ----------------------------------- Hey!! Your Forum rocks!! 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Impossible things are often interesting. Don't be discouraged. Just remember that when it comes to learning, there is no end, and even if it were, that wouldn't be the point.