----------------------------------- lyam_kaskade Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:01 pm New Laptop ----------------------------------- Okay here we go. I'm going to be buying a new laptop for when I go off to University next year. I've been probing the internet for about 10 hours now trying to decide, but since this is alot of money, it's a difficult decision. I sort of wanted to switch to AMD, but unfortunately their mobile processors consume much more power than their Intel counterparts. Except for the Turion, which I haven't been able to find on a decent laptop. I've been looking at the Asus Build-On laptops, but I'm not too sure about them. And so, I decided to post this thread to see if the intelligent people here had any input. I'll be using this laptop for school mainly, but I don't want to completely rule out gaming (although I probably should if I want a cheap laptop). I'd like it to last me all four years, so it should be somewhat upgradeable. Lastly, I'd like it to be under $1500 CAD with tax (15%). Thanks for your help. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:09 pm ----------------------------------- Don't buy a cheap laptop. Inexpensive isn't bad, but a cheap laptop is just horrible. For games... buy an Xbox or such. And of course, consider why you're looking for a laptop, and whether you really need one, or could get everything you need done with a desktop. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:47 pm ----------------------------------- See, the problem is that many universities now require you to have a laptop at school, for the more computer oriented courses. Still, I don't know much about buying laptops, but you can buy a good one for 1600 without tax. As I said before, computers are much better for gaming (desktops mostly). You would want to be able to run at least something decent on your computer. The problem is, do you want some pretty good video card on it, or are you going to get some pretty cheap gpu which you can watch movies and do your work on. ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:13 am ----------------------------------- I know that for Univ I'm buying a cheap $600 laptop. I don't need it for anything other than Word and printing stuff. And watching a lot of Anime. :) I don't know what the tech courses require. But I know many Univ's have minimum required specs on their websites for computer courses that require laptops. Try searching around a bit so that you have a more accurate idea of what you're looking for. On the bright side, really low-spec laptops give massive battery-life. Plus, I don't even think I'd use it to watch anime. Since I'd already have my desktop. I'd only need the notebook for, well, note-taking. ----------------------------------- wtd Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:29 am ----------------------------------- On the bright side, really low-spec laptops give massive battery-life. Except of course that cheap laptops often have crappy batteries. You get what you pay for. ----------------------------------- Martin Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:36 pm ----------------------------------- $1500 for a laptop is completely reasonable I think. Don't expect to get a great gaming computer, but for $1500, you can get a very functional computer. I'd recommend getting an IBM one for that price. The specs aren't as high as you could get for the price, but you get a very solid laptop for what you're paying. [url=http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8783811&storeId=10000124&langId=124&categoryId=2302835&dualCurrId=1000075&catalogId=-124]click. It's $1450, but a pretty solid notebook. You'll like it. I know it's over your budget (about $1670 with tax). The alternative is to use school computers and get yourself something truely portable like a PDA. Cheaper, and way easier to transport (plus you can use it as an mp3 player and such). Most (all) universities have very good computer labs, and are wireless throughout most of the campus. Also, not having your own computer will keep you off of the web and MSN (a good thing). And, as with most things in life, stick with brands that you know and trust. With notebook especially, you get what you pay for, and there is a lot more to a notebook than just the numbers. Trust IBM, Apple, Toshiba and Dell. Alienware and Sony also make great computers, but they'll cost you an arm and a leg. EDIT: Also, look at these. [url=http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/featured_6000_systems?c=ca&cs=CADHS1&l=en&s=dhs]click I've never had any trouble with Dell (in fact, I've had excellent experiences with them), but others may tell you differently. They do make solid laptops though. ----------------------------------- wtd Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:10 pm ----------------------------------- They do make solid laptops though. They use much the same third party manufacturers as everyone else, so they have the potential to sell decent stuff, but Dell invests jack squat in quality control. That's how they're turning a profit when others are struggling. Can you get a decent system from Dell? Quite possibly. It's a roll of the roulette wheel, though. Stick with the big three and you'll be happy: Apple, IBM, Toshiba. ----------------------------------- Neo Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:45 pm ----------------------------------- Get an Asus. The Z71V: 512M DDR2 ( 512M x1, Dual Channel Supported ) 60G 5400rpm 8M HD( Upgradable to SATA HD ) DVD & CDRW Combo Drive 128M nVidia 6600 PCI Express Video Wireless-G & Gigabit Lan 15.4" WSXGA+ ( 1680x1050 ) / Carrying Case ( The optical drive bay Supports module hot swap function and 2nd HDD/2nd Battery ) All for $1499 CAD. There are sites out there that will let you customize it to your liking. If youre not into gaming then get the Z71A. It has an integrated video card and sells for $300 less. ----------------------------------- shorthair Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:17 pm ----------------------------------- Name : Compaq R4025 15.4 UltraBright Price: $ 1499.99** (buy at staples and use price match , to get it for 1450.99) Link:Specs AMD Athlon 64 3200+ With Cool N'Quiet :D :D 15.4" Widescreen WXGA High Definition BrightView 1024MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 512MB) At 333MHz :D 80GB 4200RPM DVD+/-R/RW, CD-RW Combo Dual Layer :D ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M IGP With 128MB DDR (Dedicated) 4.8 kg Wireless-G & Gigabit Lan Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition System Bus Up To 2000MHz ----------------------------------- Neo Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:33 pm ----------------------------------- The 6600 eats the 200M for breakfast. And the HD and ram on that is a bit out dated dont u think? ----------------------------------- shorthair Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:38 pm ----------------------------------- Never , said it was the best. but its a good laptop at a great price. sure there may be better. but i like My Compaq Standard, its warranty and its Support. And Compaq Laptops Seem to be really linux friendly, well all the ones i have owned anyways. :D :D ----------------------------------- 1of42 Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:33 pm Re: New Laptop ----------------------------------- Okay here we go. I'm going to be buying a new laptop for when I go off to University next year. I've been probing the internet for about 10 hours now trying to decide, but since this is alot of money, it's a difficult decision. I sort of wanted to switch to AMD, but unfortunately their mobile processors consume much more power than their Intel counterparts. Except for the Turion, which I haven't been able to find on a decent laptop. I've been looking at the Asus Build-On laptops, but I'm not too sure about them. And so, I decided to post this thread to see if the intelligent people here had any input. I'll be using this laptop for school mainly, but I don't want to completely rule out gaming (although I probably should if I want a cheap laptop). I'd like it to last me all four years, so it should be somewhat upgradeable. Lastly, I'd like it to be under $1500 CAD with tax (15%). Thanks for your help. http://www.notebookforums.com Look around there. In terms of something for your price, I would personally suggest one of the Dell Inspirons, for which you can get very good prices with their coupons. The Asus Z71V is a nice laptop as well. ----------------------------------- Andy Sat Jul 09, 2005 5:22 am ----------------------------------- i'll be getting the z71v as soon as i come back from china, i've sent 6 months looking for a good one and the z71v will get you the most outta your buck ----------------------------------- Delos Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:29 am ----------------------------------- Just as a side not from a person who's talked to many people who use laptops in lecture...make sure you have some sort of insulation between your machine and your legs, since it can get very hot at its base. Something to think about...perhaps just wearing jeans will cut it... ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:18 pm ----------------------------------- Just as a side not from a person who's talked to many people who use laptops in lecture...make sure you have some sort of insulation between your machine and your legs, since it can get very hot at its base. Something to think about...perhaps just wearing jeans will cut it... Would I be a luddite if I suggested that a wire-bound notebook and a couple of good pens is a far better, and far more cost-effective means of taking notes? I mean, try insering a quick hand-drawn sketch of some diagram on a whiteboard into a typed set of notes. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:11 pm ----------------------------------- What you have to watch out for when buying the Z71V is what is actually included in the price. No CPU, no hdd, no RAM, and often times even more. Do you need a laptop for school - as a requirement, or is it just something you would find useful? ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:19 pm ----------------------------------- "]Do you need a laptop for school - as a requirement, or is it just something you think you would find useful? There, fixed that for you. :) ----------------------------------- Delos Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:45 pm ----------------------------------- Would I be a luddite if I suggested that a wire-bound notebook and a couple of good pens is a far better, and far more cost-effective means of taking notes? I mean, try insering a quick hand-drawn sketch of some diagram on a whiteboard into a typed set of notes. You'd be surprised how many people I've seen trying to type out the notes word for word as posted by the prof on the overhead. Then they realize that most of the notes are available online... And for those 'supplementary' figures they sometimes draw...yes, people do try to draw them out in Paint then insert them into their documents. Ah, but for the good old pen. ----------------------------------- Neo Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:20 pm ----------------------------------- "]What you have to watch out for when buying the Z71V is what is actually included in the price. No CPU, no hdd, no RAM, and often times even more. That would be the barebones. Im sure they'll label it as such. Or if they dont you can tell by the price. What you really want to be careful with is to not confuse it with the Z71A. ----------------------------------- Andy Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:21 pm ----------------------------------- or u can bring in a digi cam and just take pics ----------------------------------- lyam_kaskade Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:22 pm ----------------------------------- @think I would find a laptop useful in University. I'll probably be moving around quite a bit in the next four years (every four months for co-op, not to mention trips home where there won't be a computer anymore) and a laptop would be much easier to take with me than a tower, speakers, monitor, etc. There's also the limited room I'll probably have on my desk. Currently my computer takes up most of my desk here, but I'd like to have space for writing, reviewing notes, and whatever else. I could probably get by with a desktop, but I think a laptop would be more practical in this circumstance. Also, thanks for the quick responses. EDIT: Speaking of the barebones, does anyone know how difficult is it install the CPU, RAM, and HD myself? ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:27 pm ----------------------------------- Not too hard, at least if you have some moderate amound of experience. The CPU will be the hardest :| *EDIT* yeah, I was speaking about the barebones ones, but thats what you have to be careful of. "To good to be true" prices and things like that. ----------------------------------- Andy Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:17 am ----------------------------------- i wouldnt recommend building a laptop yourself.. because there are so manythings that could go wrong, and unlike a desktop, everything is so compact and its hard to figure out the problem. if you read notebookforums, you'll see that alot of ppl recommend buying it from retailers because when ur paying 2k for a laptop, you want it to work. but i guess if u were to build it urself, the hardest thing to instal would be the cpu and the video card, the rest should be pretty easy.