----------------------------------- Paul Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:55 pm Gaaah! ----------------------------------- I have a math exam and a physics exam tomorrow, because of my procrastinating personality, I've decided to start studying for the math exam after the physics exam (there's 3 hours in between), for some weird reason this excites me... like going on a suicide mission! Gaaa >_< , I'm gonna die! ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:59 pm ----------------------------------- Okay. ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:59 pm ----------------------------------- My Exams got over yesterday :) ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:08 pm ----------------------------------- Same. Isn't a-not-really-full 3 hours a little bit well.. rushed? If you want it, I'd be willing to offer some help... :snipe: ----------------------------------- Neo Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:19 pm ----------------------------------- I have a calculus exam tomorow and the weekend to study for phsyics. :D ----------------------------------- Pickles Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:19 pm ----------------------------------- Depends, what math? ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:24 pm ----------------------------------- Well, I'll get a 75% no problem, even if I don't study, I need an 95% though, so yea, I'm rushing it. ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:34 pm ----------------------------------- "]Same. Isn't a-not-really-full 3 hours a little bit well.. rushed? If you want it, I'd be willing to offer some help... :snipe: How is that a rush?? I got only 1.5 hours of break between my two exams.. so bs...... ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 pm ----------------------------------- *a rush to study, not enough time to study. As long as you're good at math though, I guess it's no big deal.. ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:38 pm ----------------------------------- He means for studying an entire year of math (we're not semestered), but yea, going back to the beginning, average speed = total distance / total time right? A triathalon competitor cycled for 21 min at 25 m/s, swam at 2.4 m/s for 15 min and ran 14 min at 6.5 m/s . You take the total time 21min + 15 min + 14 min and divide that into the total distance traveled for average speed right? ----------------------------------- Blade Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:24 pm ----------------------------------- why dont you take the the 3 speeds, add them together and divide by 3? ----------------------------------- Andy Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:49 pm ----------------------------------- beacuse that would be wrong, he did not move at those speeds for same periods of time ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:26 pm ----------------------------------- beacuse that would be wrong, he did not move at those speeds for same periods of time No... it would be funny. :lol: Paul: Yes. 11AP Math and 11U Physics exams were easy. I'm fairly sure I got 100% in math, and above 100% in physics! :D ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:16 pm ----------------------------------- Eew, I don't see the point of Pre AP, its rediculous, the whole point is for transfer credits, and MAYBE they'll eventually accept calc transfer credits, but... yea, grade 11 AP is rediculous, just a ruse to get more students. and wtf, bonuses on exams, thats just wrong. ----------------------------------- Delos Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:17 pm ----------------------------------- Oh hush! Just wait till you have to deal with *real* maths and physics. Not that I had to though, I made smart choices and avoided the really hard maths and physics courses this year. Next year, however...I'm up for possibly the most cerebrally maiming statistics course known. Not to mention orgo en masse. [sigh]. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:46 pm ----------------------------------- Eew, I don't see the point of Pre AP, its rediculous, the whole point is for transfer credits, and MAYBE they'll eventually accept calc transfer credits, but... yea, grade 11 AP is rediculous, just a ruse to get more students. and wtf, bonuses on exams, thats just wrong. :shock: What? Okay, we didn't get any bonuses on the exam. (When I said 100%, I'm talking without any bonuses.) The mark multiplier (1.1) only applied to the course (which is worth 70%). And how is it a ruse to get more students? And what are you talking about "maybe they'll eventually accept calc transfer credits?" Are you talking in terms of skipping first year university calculus? If so, are you saying they don't do that?! Lastly, what's the problem of working at a faster pace? ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:48 pm ----------------------------------- Pre AP IS a ruse to get more students (the incentive being you'll have real high marks for the regular curriculum), more students = more funding. Pre-AP this Pre-AP that, not too useful in the end. and transfer credits are not uniform for every university. For example, UW does not take calculus transfer credits YET. And in my opinion if all the good teachers are taken up by the pre-AP students, the rest of the grade 11 kids will be worse off. Ever had a really crappy teacher? it sux. ----------------------------------- brenn Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:48 pm ----------------------------------- Tony and I survived our MTE midterms from a couple weeks ago--we're awaiting for the results from two of them :shock: Finals in five weeks (or so). Good luck on everyone's exams!! ----------------------------------- Cervantes Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:07 am ----------------------------------- Pre AP IS a ruse to get more students (the incentive being you'll have real high marks for the regular curriculum), more students = more funding. Pre-AP this Pre-AP that, not too useful in the end. and transfer credits are not uniform for every university. For example, UW does not take calculus transfer credits YET. And in my opinion if all the good teachers are taken up by the pre-AP students, the rest of the grade 11 kids will be worse off. Ever had a really crappy teacher? it sux. When you say Pre-AP, are you referring to grade 11 AP courses? If so, I cannot comprehend why you are saying this. Working ahead in grade 11 means you don't have to work twice as hard as normal in grade 12. Instead, you work 1.5 times as hard for two years. What in the world is wrong with that? About taking good teachers: how many AP Math courses are there at any school? Maximum of one per grade. In most cases that takes 2 timeslots from a teacher who, throughout the year, carries 6. Next, think about if you didn't have the AP courses: all the smart math kids would be stuck in the U courses, and they would probably push the course faster and faster. I don't see how this can possibly be a bad idea. Good luck on exams, Brenn and Tony. :) ----------------------------------- Bacchus Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:13 pm ----------------------------------- Yes good luck to everyone. I've finished two of my exams and now I have one left to go on Tuesdays... stupid math being the last day... Anywho, do you think they would dock marks for answering question in Radians even if the question have degrees in it instead? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:49 pm ----------------------------------- Yeah, you'd probably lose half a mark or a mark, depending on what the question is out of. Just answer how they ask. But I find it surprising you prefer radians to degrees. :? ----------------------------------- Delos Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:01 pm ----------------------------------- If it were a physics course, you'd likely lose marks. If it were a maths course - not as much. In my experience, as limited as it may be, I've found that physics people are a *lot* more stringent when it comes to units. And what's wrong with radians? They're like, the new black man! ----------------------------------- Bacchus Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:22 pm ----------------------------------- How couldn't someone love Radians! They make much more sense to me then Degrees, which are what? Some number people thought was the amount of days in a year? ----------------------------------- Mazer Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:36 pm ----------------------------------- But what's wrong with that? Do they not work? 360 "degrees" in a circle, right? How about radians? What is one circle? Pi radians. What's Pi? 3.141592653589793238462643383279blahblahblah Can you get the same answer to something either way? ----------------------------------- Paul Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:39 pm ----------------------------------- Uh huh, but our WCI grade 12 AP calc teacher happens to be a semi-famous rich canadian astrophysicist (he bought the whole class's textbooks cause the school didn't wanna play) who use to work for NASA. He gave us physics lectures this year on black wholes, which in some cases even had his name linked to various discoveries. :shock: Now, he use to teach a computer science course, but it becaue TOO popular and he had to stop. But yea, many of our other teachers are good, like the AP bio teacher is often asked to teach regular bio and chem, now in grade 11, I've had some real crappy teachers (I sent my physics teacher my lab report, he said "You know, if you hand this in without correcting (detail), you'd still get 49/50, so I fixed it, handed it in and guess what? 45/50), yea, you know why? Pre-AP. As to why I call it pre-AP, because there is no AP exam for it. Y'know the one that you pay for and comes from the college board and gives you a 1-5 mark? 4 gets the transfer credit I think in most places. This years AP calc class, I think 95% of the class got a 5. And in contrast, the grade 10 science exam had a failure rate of 75%, -_- w...t...f , junior science has gone downhill hasn't it, I heard the questions were uber confusing. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:19 am ----------------------------------- I've had some real crappy teachers (I sent my physics teacher my lab report, he said "You know, if you hand this in without correcting (detail), you'd still get 49/50, so I fixed it, handed it in and guess what? 45/50), yea, you know why? Pre-AP. ?!?!?! What does that have to do with AP?! That's just a physics teacher who didn't look over your lab too carefully and noticed a mistake but didn't see the others. He probably just assumed you got the rest of it right. What does any of this have to do with AP? You should've got your lab right! This years AP calc class, I think 95% of the class got a 5. And in contrast, the grade 10 science exam had a failure rate of 75%, -_- w...t...f , junior science has gone downhill hasn't it, I heard the questions were uber confusing. One group does well and a different group does poorly does not constitute the one group making the other group do poorly. Once again, I'm left bewildered as to why you think AP courses are bad. ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:22 am ----------------------------------- The second point I made is just an interesting point, which doesn't have anything to do with it. And as I said, grade 11 AP is not really AP, the physics teacher wasn't suppose to be a physics teacher, and because the good physics teacher was taken by pre-ap classes, our regular U physics got a worse one, and he does this ALL THE TIME, doesn't know what he wants, and we have to correct him all the time too. The whole point of Advance Placement is for people who are going to university and are willing to work harder to save some time and money by learning more and maybe getting a transfer credit or two, but grade 11 "AP" is just well, disruptive. I asked the VP what reason there was for these classes, because you don't learn MUCH more, he DID say it was for attracting students, because our boundaries were messed up, but then again, we DO have people from all over ontario calling to see how they can get their kids into our school. (Thanks to the crazy genius grade 12's this year) ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:08 am ----------------------------------- The second point I made is just an interesting point, which doesn't have anything to do with it. And as I said, grade 11 AP is not really AP, the physics teacher wasn't suppose to be a physics teacher, and because the good physics teacher was taken by pre-ap classes, our regular U physics got a worse one, and he does this ALL THE TIME, doesn't know what he wants, and we have to correct him all the time too. Do you think it would be better without the AP (I refuse to call it pre-AP) course? You'd have a better teacher, but you'd have a ton of hugely smart people in your class. The teacher's expectations would rise, the course material would be covered quicker, and some students would be left in the dust. If they didn't want to be left in the dust, they'd transfer down a level (if it exists) to U/C or C. But that's probably not what they want, as it could force them to go to college instead of university. Now you've got people who would be in a University course in a lower level course, so they in turn push that course ahead at a faster pace. As you can see, there's a rippling effect. On top of it all, the hugely smart people would be hugely bored. Everything would be thoroughly messed up. The whole point of Advance Placement is for people who are going to university and are willing to work harder to save some time and money by learning more and maybe getting a transfer credit or two, but grade 11 "AP" is just well, disruptive. No... Grade 11 AP is preparation. Do you really think it is reasonable and/or possible to cover grade 12 and first year university material in a single year? Clearly not. Covering three years of material in two years is much easier, and students will be much better prepared for second year university courses. Heck, if the students have the capabilities and the desire, why not start this way back in grade 9? That's what's happening with the math department at my school, and I think it's great. I asked the VP what reason there was for these classes, because you don't learn MUCH more No. You DO learn much more. ----------------------------------- brenn Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:55 pm ----------------------------------- Guh, all you AP people intimidate me. :shock: My school didn't offer it. ._. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:37 pm ----------------------------------- Too bad. You missed out on a great opportunity. :wink: ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:10 pm ----------------------------------- AP courses are grade 12, with an exam given out by the College board, any grade 11 "AP" courses are pre-AP, and not AP, they might better prepare you for AP, but how do you know you've learnt MUCH more if you haven't taken the regular course with the teacher that might have nomrally not been teaching pre-AP. Besides how much you learn doesn't depend entirely on your teacher or your course, its how much interest you have in it as well. As for my opinions, they might be biased because we're in a non-semestered school, semesters are good for the school admini and not for students, so we learn alot over the course of the whole year anyway. And for grade 12 AP courses, we also have the opportunity to go alot deeper than semestered courses, because it spans the whole year. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:21 am ----------------------------------- AP courses are grade 12, with an exam given out by the College board, any grade 11 "AP" courses are pre-AP, and not AP, they might better prepare you for AP, but how do you know you've learnt MUCH more if you haven't taken the regular course with the teacher that might have nomrally not been teaching pre-AP. Because I've talked to people in the University course about it, and they had a teacher who is just as good as the one I had. (I had the teacher that is teaching the University math in grade 10, so I can compare them.) ----------------------------------- Paul Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:39 am ----------------------------------- But in general, the better teacher is still asked to teach AP, at least thats the way it is here, besides not all teachers are equal in the same way. Its just the unfortunate people who will have the worse teachers (not just in math) that suffer. Student teachers are worse than most bad teachers of course, they can just ruin your mark and then leave... :roll: ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:33 am ----------------------------------- Well, the AP teacher is more suited to AP, because she teaches fast. From what I've heard, she's like that in all her classes, AP or not. The other teacher tends to go a bit slower and make sure everyone understands. As it is, things are best as they are. You make it sound like if you don't get into AP, your doomed to be taught by someone who doesn't know what (s)he's doing. Even if non-AP classes get slightly worse teachers, you still haven't mentioned anything about the alternative of having no AP and filling the University class with people who should be in AP. And yes, Student Teachers suck. But that has nothing to do with AP classes, because your regular teacher is still there, in the very room, while the student teacher is teaching. ----------------------------------- Paul Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:50 am ----------------------------------- We get the grade 12 U calculus curriculum out of the way before from september to january, then january to june is all beyond grade 12. We also get assigned alot of extra work to do, over the course of the year. I dunno if its any different in semestered. Your not doomed to have a bad teacher, but math isn't such an interesting/challenging subject (such as discreet) for pre-AP to be neccessary. Now physics I suppose, pre-AP wouldn't be that bad. Calculus is pretty straightforward though. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:03 am ----------------------------------- Okay, this is going nowhere. There is but one solution: agree to disagree. :) ----------------------------------- Paul Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:15 am ----------------------------------- I agree to disagreeing with not agreeing to nothing. It really doesn't matter, I just say that grade 11 "AP" isn't really AP, and for alot of the courses, it doesn't really help you out that much, and could result in a worse learning experience for people who aren't taking AP.