----------------------------------- Martin Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:27 am Apple switching to Intel chips ----------------------------------- http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede Funny world we live in, where Microsoft is supporting the PowerPC (XBox 360) and Apple is ditching it. ----------------------------------- Amailer Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:32 am ----------------------------------- This is like the 50th time I have heard this news, so damm long ago.. when are the y actually going to switch? ----------------------------------- Notoroge Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:34 am ----------------------------------- That article has so many spelling, grammatical, and punctuation mistakes that it's annoying to read, at best, without getting distracted. :eh: Anyways, if the new PCs would cost the same as a standard x86 computer today, I'd buy one the day it comes out. If I'm going to get a Mac, I'm getting a high-end Mac. None of this "Mac mini" bs. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:43 am ----------------------------------- well ur the one complaining about the price of the macs... IBM's chips are extremely expensive... nevertheless the high end models will continue to be PowerPC. These rumors were talked about in mac forums.. and i believe they figured it was a hoax.. but who knows.. all these rumors. sheesh. ----------------------------------- betaflye Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:46 am ----------------------------------- Interesting, I've been following this rumour for some time and throught Apple would be interested in some of the Centrino technologies, never thought I'd see them consider x86. Darwin the heart of OS X is based on FreeBSD and could easily be ported to x86, I just don't see another architecture switch being good for Apple. I pray this isn't the final nail in their coffin. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:48 am ----------------------------------- yea i want Cell.. ----------------------------------- Martin Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:59 am ----------------------------------- well ur the one complaining about the price of the macs... IBM's chips are extremely expensive... nevertheless the high end models will continue to be PowerPC. These rumors were talked about in mac forums.. and i believe they figured it was a hoax.. but who knows.. all these rumors. sheesh. Oh, I'm not complaining about them switching over to x86, I think it's a smart move on their part, as it will hopefully cause their prices to drop significantly. They said that they'll switch the lower end macs over to x86 hardware in 2006 and then the higher end ones over in 2007. And yes, a Cell processor based computer would be pretty sweet. ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:17 pm ----------------------------------- I would have hoped at least some of you would be more imaginative and less ignorant than CNet. Intel makes lots of things besides x86 processors. Heck, if memory serves, Intel makes some of the chips that sit on a G5's motherboard. Yes, Apple is in talks with Intel about processors. The chances it has anything to do with CPUs? Next to nil. ARM (Xscale) processors, PCIe controllers, Wi-Fi chips, heck even Intel manufacturing PowerPC chips is more likely than Apple switching to x86. ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:16 pm ----------------------------------- well ur the one complaining about the price of the macs... IBM's chips are extremely expensive... The pricing of Macs is competitive with other major retailers. Apple simply doesn't sell crippled boxes with chintzy parts dirt-cheap. On that note... IBM's processors are singificantly less expensive than Intel or AMD's for a large purchaser like Apple. Get your facts straight. ----------------------------------- betaflye Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:57 pm ----------------------------------- Just because it's about processors and it is Intel doesn't mean we are discussing x86 at all, perhaps Apple is considering Intel to manufacture PowerPC based processors. ----------------------------------- md Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:26 pm ----------------------------------- I highly doubt Apple would switch from such a nice processor as the PowerPC chip to the horrible mess that is the x86 line. If you've ever done any research into x86 chips you quickly learn how concoluted the instruction set is, and how absurd all that backwards compatibility is. If there was any justice in the world we'd all be using RISK processors; and running linux on them. If I had my way x86 would be dead, and PowerPC (or more likly more powerful) chips would be the norm. [edit] Fine. Since you have a valid point; in a perfect world all PC's would be running on MIPS processors. ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:35 pm ----------------------------------- Since I've chided the Intel and AMD fanboys, I have to chide you too, Cornflake. :) It's really a stretch to say that there's much "reduced" about the PowerPC instruction set. Further, the cores of most x86 processors these days are about as RISC-y as it gets. This, however, does not mean that the PowerPC isn't better, just that the debate is more complex than that. The complexity of the issue is just one more reason for Apple not to wander into the x86 world at this stage. ----------------------------------- rizzix Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:02 pm ----------------------------------- oh please dont call me an intel fanboy.. i hate intel soo much.. if i were to choose x86 over ppc i'd go with amd... but ppc is always my prefered choice (along with an altivec unit)... nevertheless i still hope for cell.. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:43 am ----------------------------------- How can you 'hate' a company? What has Intel done to you that makes them deserve your hatred? Anyway, Apple is expected to make an announcement about this later today, so stay tuned. ----------------------------------- betaflye Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:34 am ----------------------------------- Can't wait for the WWDC Keynote... ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:37 pm ----------------------------------- http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/wwdc/05/ There you have it. Apple is switching to x86. ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:07 pm ----------------------------------- Well, I guess it's time to eat my hat. ----------------------------------- Amailer Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:10 pm ----------------------------------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4612951.stm ahh nvm yeah. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:34 pm ----------------------------------- Ha! Death to the PPC arch! Like we have a damn choice. The developers are bound to make more x86 apps vs. PPC apps. The Macintosh has lost it's uniqueness. It is an eyesore to see it installed in all those ugly pcs. OFFICIAL: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:34 pm ----------------------------------- Because of the sheer volume of chips that Intel makes the move could mean that Apple computers become significantly cheaper. Hey cool, maybe I'll own an apple computer for once in my life. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:38 pm ----------------------------------- Yeah. x86's already extended life has just been increased. Joy. Poor AMD. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:12 pm ----------------------------------- hmm other die hard mac fans.. say that intel chips does not necessarily mean x86 chips. if this is true, it is better news. i'd still prefer AMD (over intel), if IBM was not good enough. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:23 pm ----------------------------------- Seeing as the developer kits are being shipped with P4's, I'd assume that this means x86. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:33 pm ----------------------------------- nowhere does it say they are being shipped with p4's besides lets just wait for the keynote, shall we? http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/ ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:12 pm ----------------------------------- I posted it at the top of this page. Here it is again. http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/wwdc/05/ ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:29 pm ----------------------------------- ic.... oh well.. the only up-side i see to this is that most games are much easily ported to macs. :? ----------------------------------- Notoroge Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:22 am ----------------------------------- http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/11833665.htm http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2137576/apple-embraces-intel there's more on Google News. Take it however you want. ----------------------------------- Notoroge Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:31 am ----------------------------------- Every release of Mac OS X has been built for both Intel and PowerPC-based Macs. For the last 5 years.The conspiracy theorists were right? Hasn't Apple been denying this since always? ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:06 pm ----------------------------------- Every release of Mac OS X has been built for both Intel and PowerPC-based Macs. For the last 5 years.The conspiracy theorists were right? Hasn't Apple been denying this since always? I think Apple simply never commented one way or the other. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:21 pm ----------------------------------- Because of the sheer volume of chips that Intel makes the move could mean that Apple computers become significantly cheaper. Hey cool, maybe I'll own an apple computer for once in my life. Not necessarily. For Apple it's likely less about cost than having a steady supply of chips, and access to the Pentium M. Keep in mind, PowerPC chips aren't available in huge quantities to the public, so they're expensive in that market, but for a company like Apple, they're dirt cheap. Far cheaper than anything from Intel or AMD. ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:14 pm ----------------------------------- oh? hows that? ----------------------------------- the_short1 Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:51 pm ----------------------------------- It would have been a lot nicer if AMD did that for Apple instead of Intel. Thats all i got to say, really ive never really been a mac fan but i really havn't used one much more then at moving moues around at CompuSmart. Wow I used punctuation! Omfg! ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:29 pm ----------------------------------- It would have been a lot nicer if AMD did that for Apple instead of Intel. I like AMD too, but here are the two killers for them, as I see it: The Pentium M is the better notebook chip. It's a decent little processor, and the laptop market is driving sales these days. It's also an area where Apple is especially strong. AMD has little to offer Apple here. Intel has much larger production capacity. Apple's sales are good. Really good. They're looking to increase their shipments significantly. The last thing they want is AMD telling them they've run out of chips. ----------------------------------- betaflye Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:30 pm ----------------------------------- ic.... oh well.. the only up-side i see to this is that most games are much easily ported to macs. :? Not really, most games are making calls to the Windows API and DirectX, this doesn't make them any easier to port for OS X. ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:29 pm ----------------------------------- The last thing they want is AMD telling them they've run out of chips. haha hillarious... ----------------------------------- Notoroge Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:49 pm ----------------------------------- The last thing they want is AMD telling them they've run out of chips. haha hillarious...Ditto.