----------------------------------- Amailer Wed May 25, 2005 3:33 pm EliteTorrents goes down ----------------------------------- http://www.elitetorrents.org/ Check it out... the site that got me in touble is now dead! I think torrentbytes will be shutdown soon ----------------------------------- Mazer Wed May 25, 2005 3:41 pm ----------------------------------- How'd you get in trouble? ----------------------------------- Amailer Wed May 25, 2005 3:45 pm ----------------------------------- Well the BSA somehow got all the torrent info from a torrent i dled from that site... they contacted Sympatico...and yup. ----------------------------------- Neo Wed May 25, 2005 3:50 pm ----------------------------------- So what are they going to do? Throw you in jail? ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Wed May 25, 2005 10:57 pm ----------------------------------- Indeed... They seem to close down BT sites in 'waves' every now and then they just hunt them down. Quite a few sites have been shut down recently. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Wed May 25, 2005 11:06 pm ----------------------------------- Perhaps some good trackers have been brought down, but today was Bram Cohen's release of the OFFICIAL Bittorrent search engine (written by the same guy who wrote the bittorrent protocol), and can be found at http://www.bittorrent.com/ . Let's see how long it is before he gets sued too ^_^; ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Wed May 25, 2005 11:47 pm ----------------------------------- There is a nice, long discussion about this down at slashdot. Supposedly his site is vulnerable to mysql injection, and it "gives error messages instead" of cannot be displayed screens. It's a battle between BT's legal capabilities and it's illegal uses. The thing is, they would have trouble taking it down since its like a whole new download system which many companies are using to lower bandwidth costs significantly. ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu May 26, 2005 6:08 am ----------------------------------- They cannot take down the whole BT system... just the trackers and etc. This is like the 6th torrent site iv seen in this year that has been taken down :S So what are they going to do? Throw you in jail? No, i got a warning :roll: ----------------------------------- AsianSensation Thu May 26, 2005 4:53 pm ----------------------------------- Hmm...I wonder with all the waves of torrent sites shutting down, why hasn't torrentspy shut down yet? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu May 26, 2005 5:26 pm ----------------------------------- So what are they going to do? Throw you in jail?No, i got a warning :roll: Heh, are you going to heed that warning? What happens if they catch you doing it again? ----------------------------------- MihaiG Thu May 26, 2005 8:03 pm ----------------------------------- what the hell is that?? :? the site...waht was it? ----------------------------------- Neo Thu May 26, 2005 9:03 pm ----------------------------------- what the hell is that?? :? the site...waht was it? It was a torrent site. :roll: ----------------------------------- Amailer Fri May 27, 2005 2:24 pm ----------------------------------- So what are they going to do? Throw you in jail?No, i got a warning :roll: Heh, are you going to heed that warning? What happens if they catch you doing it again? Well, I can't get sued yet cus the ISP is doing all the work... and im not gonna be dling for a while now XD. If I do get caught again I apprently either get suspended (internet) or they just kill my internet connection for ever and I switch to another ISP :roll: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4587371.stm anyone have any idea why it takes them so long to shutdown torrent sites? I mean come on... the proof is right there... they can search google them selfs and find torrent sites and then they can go and shut them down. ----------------------------------- Mazer Fri May 27, 2005 2:38 pm ----------------------------------- Maybe some of the people try and fight back. Wasn't the guy running lokitorrents collecting money to defend the site in court? Or maybe it was another site. Either way, there's an official BitTorrent search engine now (being run by the guy who actually made BT in the first place) so maybe we won't need those sites anymore? ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Fri May 27, 2005 2:54 pm ----------------------------------- Maybe some of the people try and fight back. Wasn't the guy running lokitorrents collecting money to defend the site in court? Or maybe it was another site. It turns out that the money he was collecting for his "legal battle" was a scam--he simply got the legal paper, posted it on his site, and asked for donations which all went straight to his pocket. Really, I find it incredibly, incredibly ironic. A group of pirates get a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they feel very indignant about "stealing" and stuff. :roll: I mean, I download a fair bit of copyrighted material myself, but at least I don't go around crying bloody murder when something like that happens to me, like a few of the lokitorrent bunch seem to be doing. ----------------------------------- Mazer Fri May 27, 2005 4:17 pm ----------------------------------- OK, I only heard a bit about the donations and at the time the 'scam' suspicion was just a rumour. It does seem a bit silly... pay money to keep stealing? ----------------------------------- grubby91 Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:45 am ----------------------------------- Hmm...I wonder with all the waves of torrent sites shutting down, why hasn't torrentspy shut down yet? Torrentspy hasn't got shutdown for the simple fact that it doesn't host any torrents itself, it simply searches torrent hosting sites. Like elitetorrent (not anymore) ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:41 pm ----------------------------------- Hmm...I wonder with all the waves of torrent sites shutting down, why hasn't torrentspy shut down yet? Torrentspy hasn't got shutdown for the simple fact that it doesn't host any torrents itself, it simply searches torrent hosting sites. Like elitetorrent (not anymore) So do most of the torrent sites that were shut down :( If you think about it, even the torrent is nothing more than a link. I guess a bit of common sense as to what the original intent of these sites are needs to be used when deciding what is violating fair use laws. ----------------------------------- Amailer Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:06 am ----------------------------------- What about suprnova? I thought it only displayed links to the torrents, didn't host them...? ----------------------------------- Notoroge Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:49 am ----------------------------------- Maybe some of the people try and fight back. Wasn't the guy running lokitorrents collecting money to defend the site in court? Or maybe it was another site. It turns out that the money he was collecting for his "legal battle" was a scam--he simply got the legal paper, posted it on his site, and asked for donations which all went straight to his pocket. Really, I find it incredibly, incredibly ironic. A group of pirates get a taste of their own medicine and all of a sudden they feel very indignant about "stealing" and stuff. :roll: I mean, I download a fair bit of copyrighted material myself, but at least I don't go around crying bloody murder when something like that happens to me, like a few of the lokitorrent bunch seem to be doing.Note, not "stealing". "Copying", big difference. No one's robbing them of anything, they're just losing market share. And not much, mind you. I've purchased about, %60 of the music I "own". If you think about it, even the torrent is nothing more than a link.Yeah, I completely agree here. That why I think any torrent-hosting-site would win a legal fight easily, but the problem is that all these sites are run by kids that pay $10 a month for a GoDaddy.com hosting package and would never think of taking on the MPAA and their army of lawyers. If Torrent sites can get sued for hosting the .torrent files, then Google can easily be sued for caching illegal sites. Why doesn't Google get sued? Because it has all the public-backing and billions of dollars that it can easily invest in taking on the MPAA head-on. (don't double post!! - Amailer) ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:12 pm ----------------------------------- eh well, torrentspy has this: "This search query has been blocked at the request of the copyright holder, in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA")" ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:59 pm ----------------------------------- If Torrent sites can get sued for hosting the .torrent files, then Google can easily be sued for caching illegal sites. Why doesn't Google get sued? Because it has all the public-backing and billions of dollars that it can easily invest in taking on the MPAA head-on. Because there's undeniably a difference of purpose here. It's the same sort of argument that's being used for the BitTorrent protocol itself -- its all about having enough productive, legal uses of a product to justify the ocassional abuse. Google certainly fits that category, but you'll have a hard time convincing any jury that suprnova.org had some other purpose besides copyright enfringement, and the hundreds of warez posted daily were simply "by-products" of the many legal uses going on there :roll: That sort of thing *does* make a difference in a court of law, and although it's technically true that a torrent is nothing more than a plain-text file with a few seemingly random integers, it is USED for an illegal purpose in the same way that guns are nothing more than welded pieces of metal and plastic. I'm not saying that torrent-based piracy is harmful or anything, don't get me wrong -- I fully believe that the industry needs a new distribution model and BT is it. I also don't buy into the fact that online file sharing is massively reducing profits while Star Wars is grossing billions of dollars despite there being many many copies of it online. The point is, though, it's STILL illegal in the loosest sense of the word, and I don't share your confidence that the **AA would lose a full-fledged legal battle over the issue. My 0.02 $ :) ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:18 am ----------------------------------- That's the problem. People are too blatant about the fact that their sites are designed for transfering warez. If I hosted a tracker/search engine, I'd make it a website that mirrors something like, large OSS projects in order to contribute. A huge repository of linux distro ISOs, OO.o, KDE binaries, Gnome, etc. Everything on the site is made for hosting these but add an unmoderated section for people wishing for their own torrents to be backed up on the site. With a disclaimer saying, "Don't upload illegal things, I'm not responsible for your use of this tracker, blah, blah . . ." If people chose to upload warez, then bah. I'd cooperate with copyright holders and take down things that they find on the tracker that ingringes, on their own request. Because, you know. . . I'm not expected to know every single piece of copyrighted software out there, and it'd be impracticle for me to sift through thousands of potential copyright infringements just to potentially pick-out a few hundred. :) ----------------------------------- lyam_kaskade Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:52 pm ----------------------------------- Perhaps you should start your own torrent site. $10 a month for a GoDaddy.com hosting package ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:20 pm ----------------------------------- Perhaps you should start your own torrent site.Wanna give me $200 a month to get the kind of server required to run a project as huge? ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:29 pm ----------------------------------- Start small- get donations go big :roll: And only 200$ for a site like that? + your not really hosting the torrents are you? ----------------------------------- Notoroge Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:08 pm ----------------------------------- Start small- get donations go big :roll: And only 200$ for a site like that? + your not really hosting the torrents are you?The idea would be to host the tracker and torrents locally. And if the "reasonable use" defence works out, the site could see some crazy spike in usage. Especially since now-a-days, there are fewer and fewer trackers/search engines to work with.