----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:16 am My First Job ----------------------------------- Finally, I got employed. Screw you McDonald's, here's what I'm going to be doing. Job Description: During the wargame-based training of military commanders and staffs, software is used to make simulation and command-and-control systems interoperate. Selected applicants will develop and support this software using common GNU tools on a GNU/Linux development platform, while aspiring to conform to POSIX and NATO standards. Selected applicants are required to pass an enhanced reliability security check prior to the start date. ----------------------------------- Neo Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:42 am ----------------------------------- What program are you taking at waterloo? and is it your first year? ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:43 am ----------------------------------- First year computer science. 85ish average. ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:20 pm ----------------------------------- I do not know witch is worse, working for the arramy or working for M$........at least M$ says they are not killing poleop...... ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:30 pm ----------------------------------- And neither is the Canadian army. ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:07 pm ----------------------------------- And neither is the Canadian army. I think that is what the idea of an army is, no matter how u look at it. ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:07 pm ----------------------------------- yah he's got a point there. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:02 pm ----------------------------------- An army's job is, more correctly, to protect a nation. ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:09 pm ----------------------------------- By using guns and thanks and fighter jets.........i sont know about u but i have never seen a gun save some ones life (maybe kill some one trying to kill some one but that is not what i mean) ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:14 pm ----------------------------------- Look at World War 2, and think about the world if we hadn't opposed Hitler. ----------------------------------- MyPistolsIn3D Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:17 pm ----------------------------------- Hey, don't bash hitler, what about all the good things he did? ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:20 pm ----------------------------------- Don't even joke about that, it's not funny. ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:36 pm ----------------------------------- Good things ... for whom? The germans? He killed babies with bad reflexes, or aren't blond with blue eyes... ----------------------------------- templest Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:41 pm ----------------------------------- I'm sorry martin. Is it getting a bit to REAL for you? Hmm? Hmm? :shock: :think: EDIT: Before anyone starts baning people. My whole theory is that it happened. Yes, it sucked. But we're not going to cry about it forever, we're just perpetuating the damage he did to us. Think about it, every time you hush whenever someone cracks a joke about hitler or makes a racist joke, all we're doing is perpetuating the obsenity of the act. I'm sure he doesn't approve of mass gas chambers, but why should we spend the rest of eternity remembering horrible things? I say we even joke about such things, so as to forget the burden that came with them. Why cry the rest of your life for something you can't change? ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:52 pm ----------------------------------- ummm, what joke? Hitler did do postive things to the german encomany, it in no way justfiys what he did tho. Also well i am playing the deivels avicate if he did take over the world, the whould be no war now. NOTE: i am in no way saying that the acations of Hitler where aceptable nor trying to say anything agested the racies and/or relgiones persoicted by him. ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:10 pm ----------------------------------- If Hitler took over the world, there would be no non-caucasians, not to mention people of a bunch of religions. And that, Dan, you are saying is better than war? ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:14 pm ----------------------------------- I say we even joke about such things, so as to forget the burden that came with them. You know what's really funny? STDs! Just imagine how much fun you can have pulling out such jokes as Hey, how's your immune system doing? Oh wait, you don't have one! :lol: Oh Snap! AIDS are hallarious :lol: ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:15 pm ----------------------------------- And that, Dan, you are saying is better than war? To elaborate on the statement... That would mean there will be no anime :? Are you ready to give up NGE Dan? ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:26 pm ----------------------------------- If Hitler took over the world, there would be no non-caucasians, not to mention people of a bunch of religions. And that, Dan, you are saying is better than war? Sigh, why do i bother talking to some poleop.....it realy is a simple conspect. I did not mean the world whould be better or worse. I simple ment that there whould be no more war. It is up to you to desied if the ends whould justiy the means, i am simpley stating that if some one toke over the world (could be any one or any gorup) there whould be no war on the scale there is now. ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:30 pm ----------------------------------- Dan, you are being incredibly stupid lately. ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:28 pm ----------------------------------- Dan, you are being incredibly stupid lately. How the hell is that stupid? It is fully thinking out the posbliltys.....u can not just sate somting like "the world whould be better w/o X" and expect it to be true unless u fully expolore the stament. That is all i was doing. Also your stamnets assume that there was no posbilty of a peacfull soltion. I am hardly being stupied for fully expoling all the posblibitys of a sistutation. Stupid whould be going in say "your stupid" when some one post a counter point to your argument in a debate. And i am not the one doing that...... ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:21 pm ----------------------------------- Dan... how is it that the world will turn into Utopia under an unquestionable dictatorship? Taking over the world is not the solution, it only fuels the problem as you'll have a very hard time accomplishing the task. I don't know about you, but I kind of enjoy the freedoms I get under the current government. I also admire guys such as Martin who are out there to protect those rights and freedoms for me. An abnormally large country is not sustainable. People differ too much. We have different sets of values and belives. Similar to cells (biological) there's an optimal size at which they function. Any larger and it become inefficient. If you were to arfiticially increase the size of the cell, it will die. Just recap some of the world history and take a look at all the great empires that have follen down. if he did take over the world, the whould be no war now So what about all the other empires that took over the world before? How about Alexander the Great? (comes to mind because the movie is comming out). He took over 95% of the known world. Guess how long that lasted? ----------------------------------- Maverick Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:46 pm ----------------------------------- Hey, don't bash hitler, what about all the good things he did? I like hitler, maybe because im german, maybe because i dont like the US. Who knoiws? ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:53 pm ----------------------------------- germans didn't like hittler.. sheesh. dont give the wrong impression here. ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:13 am ----------------------------------- Dan... how is it that the world will turn into Utopia under an unquestionable dictatorship? I did not say it whould, i simpley side it whould stop war betwen conotrys. Simple this could lower death rates, nothing more nothing less. you and martin are reading more in to this. Taking over the world is not the solution, it only fuels the problem as you'll have a very hard time accomplishing the task. I don't know about you, but I kind of enjoy the freedoms I get under the current government. I also admire guys such as Martin who are out there to protect those rights and freedoms for me. I did not say taking over the world whould solve anything, just that it whould stop war betwen contorys. Simple this could lower death rates, nothing more nothing less. you and martin are reading more in to this. An abnormally large country is not sustainable. People differ too much. We have different sets of values and belives. Similar to cells (biological) there's an optimal size at which they function. Any larger and it become inefficient. If you were to arfiticially increase the size of the cell, it will die. That is not true, if it is manged right it could be posable. You whould simple add more levels of goverment. But this is not the point at all..... Just recap some of the world history and take a look at all the great empires that have follen down. if he did take over the world, the whould be no war now So what about all the other empires that took over the world before? How about Alexander the Great? (comes to mind because the movie is comming out). He took over 95% of the known world. Guess how long that lasted? [/quote] This was due to them expaneding faster then there resocres alowed. Also was due to conflicts that came with in there own conotry and not out side it. I simple side it whould stop war from out side. Nothing more nothing less. It is not realy a debatel thing i am saying.....if u take over the wrold there will be not war from outside unless there is some kind of aline force, the only coflict and problems could come from inside......that is all i side and by deftion it is true. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:18 am ----------------------------------- germans didn't like hittler.. sheesh. dont give the wrong impression here. Agreed, mostly. But you should clarify too-- you make it sound like NO germans supported hitler. Remember, he *did* win an election (albeit with only 37.3% of the popular vote). A happy medium: MOST Germans didn't support Hitler, especially well after 1933. ----------------------------------- Martin Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:42 am ----------------------------------- But you see, you said that war was evil. So tell me, what exactly ARE you trying to prove here? ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:26 am ----------------------------------- But you see, you said that war was evil. So tell me, what exactly ARE you trying to prove here? 2 things: 1. that taking over the world could posably have postive sides....tho i did not mean that if hitiler did it, just that if one orgations or gorup did. 2. war is never needed, ushely wars could be stoped just that we let the causes go unchaged intill there is no choice left but war. ----------------------------------- templest Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:55 am ----------------------------------- I say we even joke about such things, so as to forget the burden that came with them. You know what's really funny? STDs! Just imagine how much fun you can have pulling out such jokes as Hey, how's your immune system doing? Oh wait, you don't have one! :lol: Oh Snap! AIDS are hallarious :lol: :heart: The funny thing is that I don't find that offensive. :P ----------------------------------- Martin Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:53 am ----------------------------------- Of course, war is never needed. However, often times war is the better option, as you just said yourself. ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:36 pm ----------------------------------- That is why i think we should be spening tax payers money on solstions and not quick fixes like war, witch ushely just case more problems and lead to more wars. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:04 pm ----------------------------------- Similar to cells (biological) there's an optimal size at which they function. Any larger and it become inefficient. If you were to arfiticially increase the size of the cell, it will die. Heh, or shrinking the size of the cell. *pours salt on leech* DIE LEECH, DIE!! :twisted: HAHA!! :twisted: That's what you get for having a semi-permeable membrane as your skin!! rahaha! :roll: Dan: I agree with what you are saying: it is true. However, it doesn't really mean much: you can eliminate all wars between countries by merging everything into one country, but then you end up with civil war. It's interesting to think, however, that having only one country would perhaps spread the world's wealth. The leaders of the world (the one country) would need to support the poorer areas to get their votes. On the other hand, I don't think that a nation that large should be a democracy. The cultural differences of a nation that large would be the voting decision: "This guy is Nationality X, I am Nationality X. I will vote for him" type thing. I think it would have to be more like a Republic. ----------------------------------- Martin Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:04 pm ----------------------------------- Like I said, we could have just waited for Hitler to take over the world. If you are saying that that would have been the better option, or if that would be no different than if we had gone to war, I really honestly feel sorry for you. Now, go play in traffic. ----------------------------------- templest Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:01 pm ----------------------------------- "Republic"? Kool, I'll go get my lightsaber and I'll meet you infront of the White-House, VICTORY IS OURS! ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:26 pm ----------------------------------- Great to have you on our side Templest! I'll go warm up the deathstar now...