----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:27 pm Dan should read this. ----------------------------------- Fine, no trolling... let's see: 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. May be you should falow your own relgiones belfies on this one. Be side why whould i whont to wast posting space to yell at you when i could just tac it on to your post to make it worth while. If i where to post and yell at you for trolling it whould be kind of hypiertical since i whould be geting this topic more off topic and whould just be spaming it like you are. Now if you whont to yell about the mods and how much we suck plz make a new topic for it in spam so we can debate this with out me needing to edit your post to send my mesage. Any more offtopic post in this topic from you will be deleted w/o warning or notice. P.S. just b/c you say somting is wrong like editing your post with a mod message w/o editing the context dose not make it wrong and since this is our site we are fully alowed to edit any content we whont in any way. Tho we perfure not to and to alow free speach as much as posable, but there are times when some poleop go to far and action needs to be taken. Heh, you're missinterpreting the information. I don't come here just to offend people and tell them off. The fact that I said that insult was a direct result from an action that you took towards the mod-editing a non-offensive post. That was my closing argument; I found it rediculous to start a new topic just to make one reply to a post in a topic that was discussed in another thread. It would be unorganized, in my p.o.v. There's also another little rule you forgot to state (since you're trying to make me look like a hippocryte): When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. I've asked you, in a civilized manner; previous, and various, times to not modify my posts when it would be stupid to do so. P.S. just b/c you say somting is wrong like editing your post with a mod message w/o editing the context dose not make it wrong and since this is our site we are fully alowed to edit any content we whont in any way. Tho we perfure not to and to alow free speach as much as posable, but there are times when some poleop go to far and action needs to be taken. This is a completely different point. I concidered this website "Open Territory", for the sole reason that the administrators and moderators respected the freedom of speech of other users. I found that it would be correct for me to "Openly" display my annoyance. If this starts going in the direction of: "We'll delete your post if we don't like what you're saying". Then I won't have anything else to do but to remove myself from this community. I know that would mean nothing to you, but that's what I'd do. Like you said: ...or else do not go there. So far I've managed to show you respect. But it works both ways, and if I'm not welcome here, just give the word, and I'm gone. ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:46 pm ----------------------------------- :? Dan - explain I haven't been following the discussion between you two, but I suspect that Dan has been obusing his position. templest is a great member - he has been here for well over a year and often enough has interesting posts. I recognize the name out of a list of usernames and I don't think that his posts should be slashed with red "omg, I think otherwise" edits from those in position :think: if there's something I'm missing - let me know ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:52 pm ----------------------------------- if there's something I'm missing - let me know Read the "Vincent Massey" thread. ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:12 pm ----------------------------------- :? Dan - explain I haven't been following the discussion between you two, but I suspect that Dan has been obusing his position. templest is a great member - he has been here for well over a year and often enough has interesting posts. I recognize the name out of a list of usernames and I don't think that his posts should be slashed with red "omg, I think otherwise" edits from those in position :think: if there's something I'm missing - let me know Tony... :lol: ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:13 pm ----------------------------------- alright - you might have been a bit (quite) off topic there.. though the topic should just have been split :? ----------------------------------- Dan Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:27 pm ----------------------------------- :? Dan - explain I haven't been following the discussion between you two, but I suspect that Dan has been obusing his position. templest is a great member - he has been here for well over a year and often enough has interesting posts. I recognize the name out of a list of usernames and I don't think that his posts should be slashed with red "omg, I think otherwise" edits from those in position :think: if there's something I'm missing - let me know Tony i whoulod expeted better from you, espleay affter that "teh monkey" instdent. Any how: The fact that I said that insult was a direct result from an action that you took towards the mod-editing a non-offensive post. The mod edit is not just for offensive posts, it is for any post that a mod feals need infomtation of any kind taced on to it or to stop a post from being edited by a user. As the topic of my mod edits where about you going offtopic it whould have just been out right dum to post more and go more offtopic to tell you not to go offtopic. That was my closing argument; I found it rediculous to start a new topic just to make one reply to a post in a topic that was discussed in another thread. It would be unorganized, in my p.o.v. Your closing argument to your trolling :eh: There's also another little rule you forgot to state (since you're trying to make me look like a hippocryte): The Satanic Verses wrote: When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. I've asked you, in a civilized manner; previous, and various, times to not modify my posts when it would be stupid to do so. If a mass spamer asked me to not delete there posts whould i? no. The same gose for editing posts. Also i asked you to stop trolling in that topic yet you keeped on going....thos the destory him (or edit the post...) This is a completely different point. I concidered this website "Open Territory", for the sole reason that the administrators and moderators respected the freedom of speech of other users. I found that it would be correct for me to "Openly" display my annoyance. Tho we do respet freespeack, it is not open territoy b/c we will not alow of posts that add nothing but office to poleop and take away from the site as a hole. If this starts going in the direction of: "We'll delete your post if we don't like what you're saying". Then I won't have anything else to do but to remove myself from this community. I know that would mean nothing to you, but that's what I'd do. Like you said: I have never delete a post for soley personal reasons nor just b/c i did not agera with the topic or what poleop are say. Also i whould not whont any other mod to do so and if they did i would be pissed. As for editing, there is a difrence between tacing crap on and editing the content (tho for some reason it seems to make you mader when i do not edit your content :? ). Tho we modfiy any post that take away from the site, are office to poleop just for the sake of bening officeve or that do not fallow the rules of the site or are no in any way reaslted to the fourm topic or post topic. So far I've managed to show you respect. But it works both ways, and if I'm not welcome here, just give the word, and I'm gone. When was this? it seems that all you have done is tell me how to do my job and seem to think that you can start making rules about how i do it...Also i feal that when you disrecpted this site you are disrecpeteding me, things like swearing is doing such ----------------------------------- Martin Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:06 pm ----------------------------------- Look, there is nothing on this website that requires members to like each other. There is also nothing that requires the members to like the mods and admins. There is a requirement of respect for everyone, especially the mods and admins. This is, after all, their (well, more specifically Dan's) website. You are just a (welcome) visitor here. We all are. Now, the moderators and admins do their best to accomodate for everyone. If someone edits your post, and you feel that they were wrong to do so, send them a personal message. If you don't know who it was, send it to me, and I'll track them down for you. Remember, this is a public forum, and posting topics that really only concern one person is immature. If you want to talk to Dan about this, talk to him over IM or through PMs. This is, however, in the end Dan's little piece of cyberspace. This is HIS website, and, at least here, his word is law. And, once you get past his love of anime and bad music, you'll realize he's an alright guy ;) ----------------------------------- Dan Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:33 pm ----------------------------------- Woot some one stading up for dan for once ;) Tho i whould like to add that this is in a big part also tony's even if the legal stuff says that it is just me. And that it could not exits with out the help of all the mods and many helpfull users who keep this cominuty strong. I could hardly say that is was soly my website when it is a cominty like this, tho i am resopsamble for keeping it as an open as posable cominty while not offending any one or making it harder for them to experser there ideas, thougths options and ask questions. I do not mind if you do not respect me, but you should repsect the comunity. It is not allways esay being an admin or mod b/c some times the choices you have to make will piss some one off whtere you like it or not but i whould like to think that it is for the greater good of the comunity and site. I can understand how poleop may not like us adding the mod coments on to there posts and may be we are some times going a but far, tho we are doing it to help the comunity and not hurt a scent person (ushely :P ). Any how if some poleop realy dislike it that much then i will post rather then edit if the contions are right but i do not like taking topics more offtrack then they neeed to be. Our goal is to make this a comunity for every one where any one can feal at home incuding the debaters (flamers), progamers, students and newbes (or all of the above in some cases :p). ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:37 pm ----------------------------------- in my opinion templest just wants to publicise the fact that he disagrees with the admin/staff and policies.. man if you seriously disagree. be civilized.. pm the one in charge.. if no feedback then you publicize or whatever.. but heh please.. i've notice templest, you are in a very aggressive mood lately. ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:34 pm ----------------------------------- w00t, templest is smart! happy? :) ----------------------------------- reficul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:26 pm ----------------------------------- Seems to me like this guy likes to whine a lot. :shock: Baby want a bottle? :cry: :lol: Did you read anything i posted up there? How whould be starting to flame like this help the comunity at all? I mean at least templest has a point to his falming (most times). I am watching you..... ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:29 pm ----------------------------------- Shush! before he devours you ;) since you only have 2 posts. ----------------------------------- reficul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:35 pm ----------------------------------- Shush! before he devours you ;) since you only have 2 posts. Post count size doesn't matter, it's how you use them that does. 8) ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:36 pm ----------------------------------- right, why should I believe you? I've never seen you b4 ;) plus, templest doesn't whine. ----------------------------------- reficul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:38 pm ----------------------------------- I've asked you, in a civilized manner; previous, and various, times to not modify my posts... Seems like he's been doing a lot of whining. :lol: edit: I should have a post count of four by now, wtf? re-edit: Not that it matters... :shifty: ----------------------------------- MyPistolsIn3D Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:44 pm ----------------------------------- seems like you are a fag. ----------------------------------- reficul Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:55 pm ----------------------------------- You have way to few posts, and way to much spam to be flaming on this site. Some words are censored b/c poleop like you will use them to instalult poleop, also stating words in post just to see if they are censored is not helping anything. Father more he did not post any word that was censored, he slef censored. Probly b/c he was using the word ass and he knew it whould not be censored by the site. ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:05 pm ----------------------------------- Apparently, censored, and edit, if ur gonna start being technical. Plus u don't get an increase in ur post count when you spam. ----------------------------------- reficul Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:33 pm ----------------------------------- First off. I was spelling it "edite" on purpose. :roll:. I spelt it "edit" on a second post I put in here. So that would mean that I know the proper spelling. Anyways, I don't see many people in here with any better spelling/grammar than myself, so I still own you. And it's "your", if you plan on getting technical. :shock: I know you have not been here long but you are going down a very bad road with the instualting poleop based on there spelling thing.... ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:19 pm ----------------------------------- Ok, there is just so much to mod edit here, give me a few mins..... Edit: you say it is not the post cout that matters it is what you do with them, thats what we have thougth for some time. And is why we made the bits system, it is a cout that is more realted to the usefullness of your posts. Note your bits are at -2 right now :roll: ReEdit: w8 a second reficul, you seem very fimilure, almost like anthore user who has been on this site. May be even one who posted in this topic...did u just make another user name so you could be a jerk? If so it is realy underminding your point..... ReReEdit: I do not take well to death threats wthere they are in your sig or not.... ----------------------------------- Martin Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:55 pm ----------------------------------- Alright people, stop flaming. This issue has been resolved. Coming here, guns blazing does not impress. Compsci.ca is degrading to every post becoming spam. Now I realize that this is the spam forum, but this is pretty bad for everyone. A lot of people are complaining that with it's growth in size, this forum has decreased in quality, due to the volume of useless posts. Spam is sadly our second largest forum (second to turing help). So please, stay on topic, and get along, or at least keep your disputes to yourselves. This website is fueled by the community, and only you can control what this site becomes. We are the programmers, we are the supposed 'tragically l33t,' and yet people are acting like children. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:33 am ----------------------------------- alright templest/lucifer - enough ----------------------------------- mynameisbob Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:58 am ----------------------------------- alright templest/lucifer - enough lol why would he insult himself??? strange people... ----------------------------------- Martin Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:36 am ----------------------------------- Haha, tony is my lackey :D:D ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:10 pm ----------------------------------- Lock this thred, carry it on with PMs. thats how it SHOULD have started out in the first place. dan.... -.- you should know better than to reply to this topic :roll: admin. *muhahaha* ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:17 pm ----------------------------------- Lock this thred, carry it on with PMs. thats how it SHOULD have started out in the first place. dan.... -.- you should know better than to reply to this topic :roll: admin. *muhahaha* Ha, 1st of all tony repleyed 1st, lol. And i am more then willing to discose how the site is moderated oplely on the site as long as it stays in a civle manner, witch it was intill this germen speaking lucifer with templests ip showed up. ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:20 pm ----------------------------------- Tony, Baka! :roll: :P Always wanted to say Baka, *mwahahahah* ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:21 pm ----------------------------------- Amailer - watch it, or I'll make this thread PG-13 rated :lol: ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:31 pm ----------------------------------- :eh: lol, be happy your the first person to be called baka on the internet by me :lol: :P jk. Well, oh well. Btw, dan so. um reficul is templest? ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:07 pm ----------------------------------- Tony, Baka! :roll: :P Always wanted to say Baka, *mwahahahah* Why do u sound like my girlfriend's little brother :?: :roll: wait, ur name's not william is it :? ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:17 pm ----------------------------------- Tony, Baka! :roll: :P Always wanted to say Baka, *mwahahahah* Why do u sound like my girlfriend's little brother :?: :roll: wait, ur name's not william is it :? no... :roll: ----------------------------------- reficul Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:22 pm ----------------------------------- Ok, there is just so much to mod edit here, give me a few mins..... Edit: you say it is not the post cout that matters it is what you do with them, thats what we have thougth for some time. And is why we made the bits system, it is a cout that is more realted to the usefullness of your posts. Note your bits are at -2 right now :roll: ReEdit: w8 a second reficul, you seem very fimilure, almost like anthore user who has been on this site. May be even one who posted in this topic...did u just make another user name so you could be a jerk? If so it is realy underminding your point..... ReReEdit: I do not take well to death threats wthere they are in your sig or not.... Hey, I was asking him why he would call me a homosexual, because I though that's the word he would used. Furthermore, I asked why he found homosexualism offensive. Additionaly, the one dude started correcting my spelling for no apperant reason. I was picking at the other guy because he was the one that started insulting. I just called templest, which is not me btw, a cry baby jokingly. And everything else I said in here was a joke. I'd expect people in a CompSci forum to understand that type of humour. :roll: ----------------------------------- josh Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:34 pm ----------------------------------- what I don't get is why you are talking about sexual preferences on a COMPUTER SCIENCE communiry forum??!!!!! ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:41 pm ----------------------------------- Hey, I was asking him why he would call me a ****sexual, because I though that's the word he would used. Furthermore, I asked why he found ****sexualism offensive. Additionaly, the one dude started correcting my spelling for no apperant reason. I was picking at the other guy because he was the one that started insulting. I just called templest, which is not me btw, a cry baby jokingly. And everything else I said in here was a joke. I'd expect people in a CompSci forum to understand that type of humour. :roll: The only person here being up who is gay or not is you. I am prity shure he ment ass, witch you are deftaly seeming to be. Also every one thinks you are templest b/c you have the same ip, you both flame, and you appered just as he disapered. Also you both have a big intrest in the staint thing and pointless debates. Tho i will give you that templess ushely acted smarter and pointfull in his famling while yours is just random and instualting....And i still do not like that kill you thing in your sig. ----------------------------------- josh Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:53 pm ----------------------------------- what language is his sig in??? ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:54 pm ----------------------------------- looks like Dutch.... ----------------------------------- josh Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:02 pm ----------------------------------- so dan can read dutch??? ----------------------------------- Genesis Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:43 pm ----------------------------------- lol. It's German. I guess Dan can read German. ----------------------------------- josh Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:43 pm ----------------------------------- ah, the mystery deepens ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:46 pm ----------------------------------- yeah, its german. dan used google. it means "I kill you and laugh." http://translate.google.com/translate_t ----------------------------------- reficul Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:57 pm ----------------------------------- Hey, I was asking him why he would call me a ****sexual, because I though that's the word he would used. Furthermore, I asked why he found ****sexualism offensive. Additionaly, the one dude started correcting my spelling for no apperant reason. I was picking at the other guy because he was the one that started insulting. I just called templest, which is not me btw, a cry baby jokingly. And everything else I said in here was a joke. I'd expect people in a CompSci forum to understand that type of humour. :roll: The only person here being up who is gay or not is you. I am prity shure he ment ass, witch you are deftaly seeming to be. Also every one thinks you are templest b/c you have the same ip, you both flame, and you appered just as he disapered. Also you both have a big intrest in the staint thing and pointless debates. Tho i will give you that templess ushely acted smarter and pointfull in his famling while yours is just random and instualting....And i still do not like that kill you thing in your sig. Meh, if he has the same IP as me, then we both must live near eachother. Rogers tends to give out the same IP to lots of people simultaneusly. Which gets extreamly annoying; specially when voting on newgrounds submissions. :x BTW: Meh, It's a sig. It's not like I want to kill you. Like the new one? ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:09 pm ----------------------------------- Die Affen tanzt nicht. Ich werde die Wahrheit finden! :evil: ooo, I'm seeing my minor german vocabulary come into use. ----------------------------------- reficul Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:19 pm ----------------------------------- Alles die ich sprechen ist eine Lüge. ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:42 pm ----------------------------------- Die, Bart, Die. :roll: ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:08 pm ----------------------------------- Reficul はTemplest である 。論争の彼の様式は非常に類似している。 Και Coutsos είναι Mazer Sherlock rocks! ----------------------------------- reficul Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:13 pm ----------------------------------- 너의 생활은 사기 이다. ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:17 pm ----------------------------------- Και Coutsos είναι Mazer I applaud you, rizzix. Now try and pronounce it. Correctly. :P ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:21 pm ----------------------------------- Malheureusement le seul langage que je sais est l'anglais. Non. Pas même français. ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:04 pm ----------------------------------- You don't speak Greek? Shame. Out of curiosity, how'd you get the characters to show up properly? ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:37 pm ----------------------------------- I use a mac. ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:31 pm ----------------------------------- Alles die ich sprechen ist eine Lüge. It shows... 너의 생활은 사기 이다. I think you have it the other way around, the only fraud here is you.... Am i the only one here who thinks using a tranlsor app on your posts is almost as lame as l33t speak? I mean it is not like you realy know the lang and it is ushely so far off the real meaning that it is funny. Lets get this topic back on topic, if it even has one, or i could just remove all the posts since lucifer (templest) showed up. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:32 pm ----------------------------------- haha, nice one rizzix :D yet another reason to switch to a mac :wink: ----------------------------------- reficul Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:40 pm ----------------------------------- Alles die ich sprechen ist eine Lüge. since lucifer (templest) showed up. Close, brother. I'd appreciate it if you delete this account. He only made it to piss me off, and he's gotten his appropriate beating. I really have to get around to setting a BIOS pass on my box. EDIT: It's templest that made this post. ----------------------------------- Amailer Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:58 pm ----------------------------------- :roll: what? so reficul is templests bro. Is this another one of those asok = darkness = martin = tony thing? :roll: Btw, these translators suck, where do you guys get translators for Japanese :?: if there is one... ----------------------------------- naoki Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:32 pm ----------------------------------- More like Knightmare = Coutsos = Naoki kinda thing :lol: I have nothing constructive to share here. I'd just like to point out that Ninja is actually a Russian single mother. Raiden's the real motherfucker here ! 8) ----------------------------------- Dan Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:06 pm ----------------------------------- Close, brother. I'd appreciate it if you delete this account. He only made it to piss me off, and he's gotten his appropriate beating. I really have to get around to setting a BIOS pass on my box. EDIT: It's templest that made this post. Right.....well i see where he gets it from. Any how he has not done anything bad enougth to diserver the acount being deleted. Also he never side he was you, we came to that conculsion our selfs. ----------------------------------- templest Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:37 am ----------------------------------- And I would have never knows had I not seen him desperately trying to ALT+F4 everything on the screen when I caught him inside my room. :roll: Either way, I pwn. EDIT: Go ahead and delete this thread; it's about as useless as human excrement. I just wanted to bring something up to people's attention and it's been turned into this huge cataclysm. ----------------------------------- templest Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:42 am ----------------------------------- :roll: what? so reficul is templests bro. Is this another one of those asok = darkness = martin = tony thing? :roll: Btw, these translators suck, where do you guys get translators for Japanese :?: if there is one... http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ----------------------------------- Martin Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:35 pm ----------------------------------- Tony and I are NOT the same person. And we banned Darkness, he was a jerk. ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:29 pm ----------------------------------- Tony and I are NOT the same person. please ignore my alternate ego :? ----------------------------------- Mazer Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:06 pm ----------------------------------- I understand why Darkness was banned, but why do we never see Asok around anymore? Very suspicious... ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:00 pm ----------------------------------- every admin gets 3 secret bans... :? Though I advice against asking about that, since I still have atleast 1 left :snipe: ----------------------------------- Mazer Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:15 pm ----------------------------------- So you banned Darkness and Asok? A bit redundant, wouldn't you say? ----------------------------------- Martin Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:31 pm ----------------------------------- Yes well, we couldn't have him just signing on with his other account. Although I do get the sneaking suspicion that he's just on some other accound. Ah well, we'll get him when we find him. ----------------------------------- Amailer Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:15 pm ----------------------------------- Martin is **Coutsos slaps syringe into Amailer's neck** ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:43 pm ----------------------------------- every admin gets 3 secret bans... :? Though I advice against asking about that, since I still have atleast 1 left :snipe: Dam it, and i all ready used all mine up..... ----------------------------------- Amailer Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:54 pm ----------------------------------- Martin is **Coutsos slaps syringe into Amailer's neck** 彼が彼であることをそう、誰も知らないか。として彼は、その暗闇.... ある jeez, damm these translating things. ouch. Dan, so um who are the people you banned? :roll: ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:59 pm ----------------------------------- Dan, so um who are the people you banned? :roll: If i toald you that it whould not be very secretive now whould it :think: ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:22 pm ----------------------------------- that's ok dan - you can tell Amailer... I still have 1 left, remember? :wink: ----------------------------------- Amailer Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:23 pm ----------------------------------- Oh yes... :roll: *walks back slowly. Starts running from the ban gun. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*. :boom: ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:39 pm ----------------------------------- lol, I took "darkness"