----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:22 pm Bittorent ----------------------------------- I have a couple questions: How, exactly is it supposed to work? What issues would i have using WinXP Pro sp2, firefox, and a router with firewall? I downloaded an installer from http://bittorrent.com/ and ran it. I got a prompt that said it was installed. Then i went to a copule sites that I found links for in the "ultimate essential program list" But when i try to download something, the progress doesnt move, its been at 0% for about 5 minutes now, and it says "connecting to peers" ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:26 pm ----------------------------------- I sometimes get that also. I believe that bittorent works by spreading out the bandwidth among all the peers who are conncected that have the same file that you are trying to download. I think this makes it either run faster or more relieable. I personnal;ly like the azureus bittorent client better then the one from bittorent.com (although I have used it only very briefly). www.azureus.net I believe that site also has a description of how bittirent works. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:40 pm ----------------------------------- ok si i tried to download a small file, a trailer instead of a full movie, and it seems to be working to far. Would i get better performance by tweaking with the firewall? ----------------------------------- rdrake Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:43 pm ----------------------------------- Turn on port forwarding and you shouldn't have any more slow download speeds. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:48 pm ----------------------------------- Ok, but what are the security implications of doing that? ----------------------------------- rdrake Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:52 pm ----------------------------------- Just open up the ports you need, don't DMZ anything, and there shouldn't be any real risk. ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:53 pm ----------------------------------- srry, i can't help u witht that. I have zone alarm and mine wors fine ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:53 pm ----------------------------------- what do you mean by 'DMZ"? ----------------------------------- rdrake Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:55 pm ----------------------------------- DMZ basically opens your computer up to the internet so there's little to no protection from your router's firewall. It's as if you don't even have the router there. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:57 pm ----------------------------------- What kind of speed should I expect.. ? the trailer only went to about 30kbps, which is what about what I would get on winmx from a single source, although its gone a lot higher when i was downloading a lot of stuff from lots of good sources.. ----------------------------------- Maverick Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:58 pm ----------------------------------- watch port 1433 :twisted: or ull get owned ----------------------------------- rdrake Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:59 pm ----------------------------------- It really depends on how many sources there is for the thing you're downloading. I've gotten up to 120 kbps which is the average for my connection, but I've also gone as low as 1 kbps. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:01 pm ----------------------------------- watch port 1433 :twisted: or ull get owned How do i do this, and what are the perils of not doing it..? ----------------------------------- Maverick Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:08 pm ----------------------------------- Too long to explain just trust me. And if u dont want your backdoor ass raped then 9500 wuld be good to watch too. Ive never had a firewall sdo i have no clue how to block certain ports ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:12 pm ----------------------------------- I've got a router w/ built in firewall... are the ports you mentioned ones that I need to open to get bittorent going faster? ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:47 am ----------------------------------- BitTorrent needs ports 6881-6889 (TPC), so only open them. ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:50 am ----------------------------------- The only BitTorrent client: [url=http://azureus.sf.net]Azureus ----------------------------------- josh Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:00 am ----------------------------------- I wholehartedly agree. Just make sure you havve the latest Java Virtual Machine b4 u get Azureus, becuase azureus is written in Javva. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 am ----------------------------------- Nah, Azureus uses too many resources. http://www.TorrentStorm.com is the way to go. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:59 pm ----------------------------------- BitTorrent needs ports 6881-6889 (TPC), so only open them. This increases vulnerability right? so is there a way to see if someone is tryong to invade my comp? ----------------------------------- Maverick Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:08 pm ----------------------------------- lol nope there is know way to know. Only ways to block it. Ill try and find them out cause my friend just did it for me. ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:23 pm ----------------------------------- This increases vulnerability right? so is there a way to see if someone is tryong to invade my comp?I have yet to have a problem with having those ports open even after opening them months ago. You should be fine provided you do not DMZ your computer. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:19 pm ----------------------------------- You should be fine provided you do not DMZ your computer. I'm not sure what this means.. if someone would be kind enough to explain it that would be great so I can make sure that I haven't already done whatever it is that you guys are talking about. ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:24 pm ----------------------------------- All this talk is about a router, correct? So, if your router is any good, you should have a setting burried somewhere in your router's port-forwarding menu that is labled (something like): "Application-Triggered Port Forwarding". This closes the ports when un-used and only opens them when an application from within the network (and only the specified computer) calls for those ports. This is exactly what I have done. The only ports that need "Persistent Forwarding" are thing like web-servers, or the likes. But for BitTorrent, "Application Triggered" is your safest bet. As for Azureus, what, you don't have 13 MBs of memory to spare? And although one megabyte of RAM it may not consume, I'd rather let it have the extra memory, and deal with a client of higher quality than that of a light-weight, stripped down, python version of any other. I need the features that are included in Azureus; you may not. I'm just saying, for a nub: Azureus is easy to use. For someone that uses BitTorrent for all their P2P action: it's got nice advanced functionality. EDIT: Someone already said what DMZ is (De-Militarized Zone). In a nutshell, think of the router's firewall as a small army protecting against port-scanning, and worms, ect. When you specify a computer as a "DMZ", you are telling that army just what the name suggests, that this specific computer is a demilitarized zone, where the army isn't permitted to go into. This is really only necessary when you already have your own software based firewall and you don't want to bother tinkering with the router. But in my opinion, it's always a good idea to have the router on alert. So just do what I said, and you'll be dandy. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:27 pm ----------------------------------- is it possible to use multiple clients? For example, when i click on a torrent file I would get to pick which client I wanted to use? ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:32 pm ----------------------------------- is it possible to use multiple clients? For example, when i click on a torrent file I would get to pick which client I wanted to use? Read my edit to answer your previous question. As for this one, yes you can. Right-click the file, select: "Open With...", if that app isn't there. Click: "Choose Program.", point it to the client's ".exe", and you're done. ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:32 pm ----------------------------------- is it possible to use multiple clients? For example, when i click on a torrent file I would get to pick which client I wanted to use?I've had several installed on the same machine. You could either open up the client first, then select the torrent, or use the "Open With" menu to choose which one you want to use. ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:33 pm ----------------------------------- Yay! That's four times that's happened! Simultaneus posts! ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:24 pm ----------------------------------- right... but I use bit tornado, which suits my needs well enough. But whats so much better about the java based one? ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:39 pm ----------------------------------- right... but I use bit tornado, which suits my needs well enough. But whats so much better about the java based one? Built in tracker, creates torrents, and all torrents being uploaded/downloaded are in one window instead of one window for each download ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:42 pm ----------------------------------- well java for one was designed for the network in mind.. (so network apps are a lot less buggy most of the time). but i doubt that has anything to do with what makes java better.. cuz you can arugue python is soo much similar to java.. and i would quite agree.. the real deal is not with java vs python,, but azureus vs the rest of the bittorrent clients.. azureus is soo highly tweakable.. its unbelievable! and very handy.. i can easily optimize my settings to get max dl rates as far as possible. and.. also control the behaviour of seeding, polling etc.. ----------------------------------- templest Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:45 pm ----------------------------------- right... but I use bit tornado, which suits my needs well enough. But whats so much better about the java based one? Not the fact that it's based on Java; that has nothing to do with my choice of preference. What I like about it is that's it's a lot more organized. And it's so much better to control what you're doing with this client. I've noticed that most (if not all) clients, open a different instance of their client for each torrent that's being downloaded. Azureus doesn't. It organizes them into columns, where each torrent can be opened into a different tab and data about that torrent can be analyzed. Look: http://www.compsci.ca/bbs/files/1.jpg ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:52 pm ----------------------------------- i forgot about all those features, but they do provide alot of information, also If you downloas d a file, let say a folder full of music. before it starts downloading you can select what fileyou dont want to download and Azureus won't download them. ----------------------------------- josh Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:06 pm ----------------------------------- couldn't have ut it better meself. Also I heard something about no adware/spyware, adn fewer virusses don't know if thats true though ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:16 pm ----------------------------------- haha its opensource.. check the source ur self ----------------------------------- josh Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:21 pm ----------------------------------- could do that but a little late now...maybe 2morrow if I dont have 2 much work ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:43 pm ----------------------------------- I've done some searching for sites, but I would like to know what some of your favourite sites are. Perhaps we can make a list of everyone's favourite. ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:48 pm ----------------------------------- sounds like a good idea, these are the torrent sites i go to: http://punkhc.dyndns.org/ - all punk music(tracker) http://www.torrentreactor.net/ http://www.lokitorrent.com/ http://www.potuk.com/forum/index.php? http://www.suprnova.org/ http://s6.invisionfree.com/buzzpirates/index.php http://www.punktorrents.com/ - punk music(just forum, no tracker) http://bt.s0nicfreak.com/ ----------------------------------- templest Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:38 pm ----------------------------------- http://www.boxtorrents.com/ I know Amailer will appreciate that one. ;) ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:13 am ----------------------------------- http://www.boxtorrents.com/ I know Amailer will appreciate that one. ;) What the hell is that suppose to mean? What is that anyhow? ----------------------------------- templest Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:18 pm ----------------------------------- What the hell is that suppose to mean? What is that anyhow? It's a site that only carries animes, mangas, japmusic, OSTs, ect. All torrents. ----------------------------------- Catalyst Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:32 pm ----------------------------------- wow, my mind was in the gutter on that one ----------------------------------- Dan Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:48 pm ----------------------------------- wow, my mind was in the gutter on that one LOL, same with me. Tho i guse thats what we have come to expect from our resident flamer.... ----------------------------------- templest Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:06 pm ----------------------------------- LOL, same with me. Tho i guse thats what we have come to expect from our resident flamer.... Your virginity breeds mites, much like a cheese. Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee. You are as rheumatic as two dry toasts. Thou wouldst eat thy dead vomit up, And howl'st to find it.Thou art unfit for any place but hell. You speak unskilfully: or, if your knowledge be more, it is much darkened in your malice. ----------------------------------- Dan Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:45 pm ----------------------------------- As i side, what we whould expect..... ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:10 am ----------------------------------- I went to open the ports that cartoon_shark said to, but I didn't know the IP suffix for this computer so I used turing.. lol and typed net.localaddress, and I used that number, but I still seem to be going pretty slow.. any thoughts? ----------------------------------- josh Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:06 am ----------------------------------- I don;t know if this was mentioned but Zone Alarm interferes with some bittorent clients and unfortunantly the only way to stop the interference is to turn off zone alarm ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:40 am ----------------------------------- i dont have zone alarm, but after it started connecting to more people the speed went up alot... just a bit of a slow start is what confused me. ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:41 am ----------------------------------- ya mine stay on red/slow for the first few min but then they speed up. I got a 600 MB torent in 2 hours. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:55 am ----------------------------------- i found the problem... there was a setting checked which said "slowly connect new peer connections... for people with internet disconnecton issues" so i turned that off and it starts up alot faster now. ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:51 am ----------------------------------- kool, what client where u using agian??? ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:19 pm ----------------------------------- azerus ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:33 pm ----------------------------------- oh, same, where is that option located so I can check if it is turne on on mine??? ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:16 pm ----------------------------------- view > configurations and then select "transfer" from the tree. ----------------------------------- Genesis Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:38 pm ----------------------------------- Anyone know a good site for Mac torrents? Other than the "Mac Stuff" section on Suprnova, because they have hardly anything. ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:24 pm ----------------------------------- thanks SuperGenius, I just discovered the built in IRC also, Azureus is the best!!! ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:39 pm ----------------------------------- what is this about built in irc? ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:52 pm ----------------------------------- if u set an IRC username in the configuration menue, it is under the plugins part, u can then go to view --> pluggins --> IRc ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:35 pm ----------------------------------- A lot of the files I see seem to be larger than 700 meg, so does anyone know a good way to slice them into cd size chunks? It's mostly video files I'm concerned with... ----------------------------------- Genesis Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:58 pm ----------------------------------- A lot of the files I see seem to be larger than 700 meg, so does anyone know a good way to slice them into cd size chunks? It's mostly video files I'm concerned with... http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm Download the "Rad Video Tools". Install it, run it, and click "Convert a File" to compress a video with Divx, or any other Codecs that you have installed. Other than that, the only other way I can think of splitting a movie is in a video editing program and rendering and exporting the sections. Which would be extremely time comsuming. If anyone knows a better way, please let me know. ----------------------------------- templest Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:00 pm ----------------------------------- WinRAR. When you're compressing a RAR file you can set an option to split it into equally sized chunks. So you could choose to slice it into chunks of 650 or 700 MBs, for CDs. Then when you want to use them, copy them to the same folder on HD, and unpack. ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:22 pm ----------------------------------- You would need to have Divx or Divx Pro right, and not just the player? ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:26 pm ----------------------------------- does Azereus automatically foward ur ports? ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:45 pm ----------------------------------- if you use a router: no Azuerus won't forward your ports, software firewall: i dont no ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:44 pm ----------------------------------- I use a router, how do I get the max dl speed? ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:16 pm ----------------------------------- Paul: earlier in the topic cartoon_shark told me to open up a few ports in my router I was reading and i thought I saw that Azerus only needed one port.. is this true? ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:23 pm ----------------------------------- I was reading and i thought I saw that Azerus only needed one port.. is this true?Well it needs 1 port to connect to the tracker, and at least one for each download. Not 100% sure about this though. Each download needs their own port, so that's why it's best to have about 5-10 open so you can download them at the same time. ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:21 pm ----------------------------------- If you go around to diffrent sites that tell you how to port forward (like http://portforward.com/ ) they tell you to forward ports 6881-6889 for all bittorrent clients. I forward ports 6880-6999, I generally have 5-15 going at once (that includes seeded torrents). ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:12 pm ----------------------------------- all of my torrents seem to be staying on yellow and going slow.... i thought I had fixed this already. Apparently, I have no "remote connection" although I had azerus working fine before and Im pretty sure I didnt change anything since. ----------------------------------- Mazer Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:10 pm ----------------------------------- In my experience, the yellow icon means you have BT set to use ports which aren't open. ----------------------------------- josh Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:16 pm ----------------------------------- In my experience, the yellow icon means you have BT set to use ports which aren't open. or have certain firewalls such as Zone Alarm running ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:38 pm ----------------------------------- I think i know what the problem is.. A guy came over to fix my computer and he put a program called winVNC on it, which I guess means virtual network client.. so he can access my computer remotely. I got a prompt that said all remote connections were going to be dissalowed for some reason or another... any ideas? ----------------------------------- SuperGenius Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:54 pm ----------------------------------- I've nailed down the problem I think. It seems that my computer gets a slightly different IP address from the router each time it boots so the ports aren't being forwarded properly. ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:18 pm ----------------------------------- Yes, if you look at portforward, you need to set a static IP to foward ports. I forwarded the recommended ports for BT, but it seems azureus still only uses 6881 ----------------------------------- the_short1 Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:49 pm ----------------------------------- and winzip also can split files nicely.. and its more commonly used.. hello!!!! it depends on the seeders!!!@#!@#!@#!@# if ur downloading really slow.. maybe its just the seeders slow connection / and ore them limiting the speed for uploads... jeeze.. also... forwarding the ports betwee 6800 and 6999 fixes some MSN transfer / webcam / audi problems..