----------------------------------- Genesis Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:01 am Anyone seen this? ----------------------------------- Haha, I just saw this today. (It's a GIF, so it should change every once and a while.) http://www.aragirn.net/linuxisevil.gif There's this too: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp. ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:48 am ----------------------------------- how would they even determine is the webserver is owned by terrorists or not? :lol: and that microsoft page is a joke Forrester Detailed Financials Show Total Linux Costs Higher Than Windows Costs by 5 to 20 Percent - based on an analysis of 5 companies, a chunk of which went into retraining staff (they just assume noone needs training with windows) and the possibility of needing to purchase 3rd party utility programs Yankee Group Large Enterprises: Switching from Windows to Linux "Prohibitively Expensive, Extremely Complex, Provides No Tangible Business Gains" - costs of switch. Void if you're starting off with Linux in first place :lol: Article also places emphesis on the purchase of 3rd party utilities BearingPoint Licensing and Support Acquisition Costs Comparable for Windows Server, SUSE Linux, and Red Hat Enterprise Linux - "Windows Server 2003 was found to be less than one or both of the commercial Linux offerings in several cases" Does anyone else find that sentance funny? :lol: Windows Users Have Fewer Vulnerabilities - "On average, Microsoft had a fix available 25 days after a security issue was publicly disclosed" Not something to be proud off... seeing as they try to keep all the flows out of the media (they have enough as it is). Actually when was the last time you've heard about a Linux vulnarability on the news? :think: Windows Server 2003 Outperforms Linux for File Serving - "Windows Server 2003 outperformed Samba 3.0" great! pick on some app you found that can run on linux :roll: "Up to 59% better peak performance " - ok... how about an average? Equifax Sees 14 Percent Cost Savings - the only article with no summary... why? there's nothing to summazine :lol: under the "14% cost savings" they talk about Visual C++ suit for their app development :roll: --------------------------------------------- So there you have it... Microsoft is full of shit. You can make articles look like anything when you start taking quotes out of context :wink: ----------------------------------- Genesis Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:13 am ----------------------------------- Haha, perhaps Microsoft surveyed some terrorists for their info. And yep, that's Microsoft for yah. Trying to convince people that their software is cheaper than free software. It's interesting that if you actually read the documents, Microsoft forgot to include such quotes as "Linux, and other open source software can provide big benefits to the organization". Funny they didn't mention that in the summaries. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:54 pm ----------------------------------- It is pretty funny. It's like. Windows better at everything than linux: In a recent test, we discovered that linux doesn't actually work, and that with linux installed, your computer won't even turn on! Note that the test was performed on an unplugged linux box. ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:56 pm ----------------------------------- Although I do have to agree that windows does have a lower Total Cost of 0wnership. [url=www.immunitysec.com/downloads/tc0.pdf]Here's the documentation to support it. ----------------------------------- templest Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:49 pm ----------------------------------- It is pretty funny. It's like. Windows better at everything than linux: In a recent test, we discovered that linux doesn't actually work, and that with linux installed, your computer won't even turn on! Note that the test was performed on an unplugged linux box. for those too lazy to copy / paste into your address bar to see what it says. :lol: ----------------------------------- templest Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:50 pm ----------------------------------- You got that from the article on slashdot, didn't you? :P ----------------------------------- Martin Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:07 pm ----------------------------------- http://jill.jazzkeyboard.com/qarticles.html ----------------------------------- Dan Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:21 pm ----------------------------------- That thing about windows being more sceuer is a joke, the linux update progame i have for suse gets things fixed with in houres of the hole being found not days. Also poleop keep saying that linux costs more in the end but i have yet to see this, i have been using linux on at least one of my comps for a very long time now and have yet to spend a cent, unless u count the time i spent dling the ISO file but my isp dose not chaged by the bandwith nor by time. Also most linux distros come with alot of free software that whould uhsely be bougth when working with windows. Edit: Al Qaeda IT Perfsnales eh? i whonder what kind of eduaction u need to get that job. I have a fealing this add may be fake, but still funny :p ----------------------------------- Mazer Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:40 am ----------------------------------- Dan, I think they mean how time = money and all that. You may not have spent money on books, or the install CDs, but you had all this free time to spend learning Linux. Other's may not have that freedom: they need to know how to use it, and they need to know now. Windows is newb-friendly. But let's not start another debate, eh? :) ----------------------------------- templest Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:00 am ----------------------------------- Dan, I think they mean how time = money and all that. You may not have spent money on books, or the install CDs, but you had all this free time to spend learning Linux. Other's may not have that freedom: they need to know how to use it, and they need to know now. Windows is newb-friendly. But let's not start another debate, eh? :) At least someone agrees with me. :roll: ----------------------------------- Martin Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:57 am ----------------------------------- Dan, you should really read that tc0.pdf that I linked to. I think you'd actually appretiate it. To quote the summary. Immunity's findings clearly show that the best platform for your targets to be running is Microsoft Windows, allowing you unparalleled value for their dollar. This result reinforces the fact that its important to consider more than just licensing fees when your targets choose their OS. Indeed, a variety of factors go into their choice, and over time, Windows has demonstrated itself to be the top contender in the, in both the server and the desktop space for Total Cost of 0wnership. ----------------------------------- templest Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:07 pm ----------------------------------- 0wnership is spelt with an "0" for a reason. ;) ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:37 am ----------------------------------- Darkness, i aucaltay did read some of that pdf and i still blive linux is better and cheaper in every way. Using suse it toke me less time to install and configer an os then with windows 98 or xp and it did not take me that much time to figer out how KDE works and the linux comands are almost the same as windows ones but there are more and i have been using alot of them on the webserver for along time any how. As for how fast u can do stuff in linux vs windows, i find i can be far more prodcitve in an linux everment like KDE then windows and i do most of my progaming in linux b/c it is easyer and faster. It may cost comanys more if they sundey chage to linux w/o warning but the same thing whould hapen if u whent from linux to windows. Also for home users i think it whould mean saving even more money using linux. ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:02 am ----------------------------------- Note that the test was performed on an unplugged linux box. almost :lol: The Meta study compared the cost of Linux, running on IBM's z900 mainframe, to a Windows Server 2003 image, running on 900 MHz Intel Xeon CPUs. [url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/26/microsoft_advertising/]full article ----------------------------------- Martin Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:09 am ----------------------------------- Dan, look at that article more closely :p ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:24 am ----------------------------------- hey guys, do you have [url=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ff196290-e463-4113-83d3-73bf802521a7&displaylang=en]this patch from microsoft yet? :lol: ----------------------------------- Genesis Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:24 am ----------------------------------- I've been looking all over for that patch! :wink: It's a good thing Microsoft is on top of these pressing issues. ----------------------------------- templest Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:27 pm ----------------------------------- Darkness, i aucaltay did read some of that pdf and i still blive linux is better and cheaper in every way. Oh my god Dan. It appears as through I've over-estimated your level of intelligence. :? Or maybe just your comprehension skills. /* I'm beginning to think the only people that can write and get jokes like this are the stereotypical, jaded, cynical, Daily Show watching, The Onion reading, Simpsons quoting Gen X'ers like myself. And I base this conclusion on absolutely nothing. :) I think we've raised satire into high art that only few can appreciate or even comprehend. From my point of view, I can't believe anyone that actually read the paper couldn't at least know it was intended to be joke even if they didn't actually understand it or why it was suppose to be funny. I suppose it's like that with anything though. Like someone who is an art expert sees some piece of abstract piece as brilliant, but most people wouldn't even recognize or know it was even suppose to be art. "Are you being sarcastic?" "Dude, I don't even know anymore." */ In other words: /* It's a TC0, not a TCO- and I doubt you could come to any other conclusion with a TC0 comparing Linux to Windows. Total cost of 0wnership- that is, total cost to hack the box and get it to send out a bunch of spam or viruses */. 0wnership as in "getting 0wned". :? Get it now? *Everything said within the comments are quotes directly copied from slashdot.org. Re-read the article, this time... knowing waht it meant, and hopefully, you'll get the joke. It's really cleverly written, so you might have to go over it a couple of times. :? ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:44 pm ----------------------------------- I dont think u did not understanded what i ment, i ment ya i read it but being sceucsely linux realy dose cost less then window b/c you where going on in other posts about how it was the other way around.... ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:49 am ----------------------------------- don't try to convince dan of anything... even if its a joke :roll: ----------------------------------- templest Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:11 am ----------------------------------- I dont think u did not understanded what i ment,...sceucsely... So you do think I understood what you said? :? And, please define: "sceucsely", "seriously" perhaps? I have no problem with the typo's, It's just... try to make them at least somewhat legible. ;) By the way, I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. I told you, and everyone on this site knows, that I prefer linux over windows. I don't think it should come as a shock to anyone that I do. Those were only because I felt like flaming and it seemed like a good enough topic to start flaming over. ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:02 am ----------------------------------- Give me a break it was almost 1am when i posted that and i have not slepted in like 2 days. u are lucky it is even close to eng. ----------------------------------- Martin Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:16 am ----------------------------------- Well, if it means anything, I am totally lost now. I think we can forgive you this once Dan. But...watch out...one more typo...even one and it's mutiny. :lol: Haha, and Dan...since when is it being 1am an excuse? 1am is when the day really gets going ;)