----------------------------------- Maverick Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:03 pm Abortion ----------------------------------- Do you beleive that abortion should be legal? I myself beleive that everyone should have a choice, but then again i am a christian which says abortion is wrong. To me a fetus has the same rights as everyone else on this earth. I kinda used to beleive in abortion until a saw a video. If you want to see it ask mem but its pretty gruesome and shows the truth about how abortion is performed. Its probably the most disturbing thing you will ever see in your life. ----------------------------------- Amailer Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:15 pm ----------------------------------- BAD AND DAMM WRONG *KILLER!* ----------------------------------- Maverick Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:16 pm ----------------------------------- I voted no, geez ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:20 pm ----------------------------------- lol if your bored maverick think of some other less controversial topics, your just lucky jonos hasn't found this yet...yet oh yea, if you don't like abortion, don't eat meat... ----------------------------------- jonos Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:20 pm ----------------------------------- oh, look who's found it now. down with abortion!!! if you're going to be responsible enough to have sex, then you must be responsible enough to handle what comes after, what many consider the 'side-effect' of sex. just because you screwed up doesn't mean that your child has to be the one to take the brunt force of it. if you don't like abortion, don't have sex until you want a kid, becazuse procreation is the reason there is sex, so unless your willing to take the consequences, don't have sex. edit: hey maverick, you're full of contradictions, you are christian but you admire the work of pornographic models, but hey im catholic, and i like porn (which just occured to me), so nm this.l ----------------------------------- Maverick Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:44 pm ----------------------------------- Well paul since dauntless wants more intelligent spam im givin it to him. Well jonos im not a hardcore christian, seeing as how i drink and watch porn. But i totally agree with you. If your gonna have sex then your gonna have to live with the consequences ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:52 pm ----------------------------------- wow, all those controvercial topics appearing :o awesome :D then you must be responsible enough to handle what comes after The biggest issue here that I find is what if it is not your fault? Pills failed to work, condom assidently riped, heck - one might get raped in the dark ally :? Point is - is it wrong to have an abortion if empragnation is insidental and one is not ready to have a child? Is it that much worse to flush down the egg before nerve cells even develop rether then raising a child in unfavourable conditions for both the child and parents? Now if abortion is done months after the insident then that's just idiotic and should defenatly be outlawed. Though I suppose that would also depend on the specific situation. Anyone else heard on the news about some mom who killed two of her children and plead/pleading (not sure) insane? :? Messed up stuff... My personal opinion is that a court should review each case... and lets say that if you get too many abortions, you get your eggs cut out for good :twisted: ----------------------------------- Maverick Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:42 pm ----------------------------------- Ya a women killed her 2 kids and tried to kil the other, but said "God" tld her too got aquited, but when a women who killed her kids said the "devil" told her too she was found guity. Well in incidents like a rape, or the mother culd be in harm the abortion shuld be an option. if it is early stage of pregnancy. Later on is just inhumane. They take the baby out of the womb and shove a big ass pair of scissor like things theough to back of the babys head, take out the brain i think and then they let the skull collapse. It is just disgusting and a crime against nature. ----------------------------------- Dauntless Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:57 pm ----------------------------------- Thanks Maverick ;) It's kinda crazy in Spam nowadays, with all the intellectual debates and stuff, but I think it's more befitting a programming community to be talking about intelligent stuff versus how you wipe your butt. Sorry for spamming your thread. I appreciate that you two former dumb-spam-whores are now just being good intelligent spam-whores...that's how it should be. Behold the influence I wield minus the burdens of modship. ed: EGGS SHOULD BELONG TO THE STATE! Just kidding. ----------------------------------- PaddyLong Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:57 pm ----------------------------------- jonos... you shouldn't let your church tell you what to believe man... live free and enjoy it ----------------------------------- jonos Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:55 pm ----------------------------------- well, i didn't say i let my religion tell me what to do, like i don't really have a problem with gay union, i don't have anything against premarital sex, i think that women should be allowed to be priests, etc. lots of things, living free does not mean smoking all the weed you want and drinking all you want, or agreeing with abortion, its living within your own morals and being free in the sense that you are doing what you want to do and what your morals dictate to you what to do. i thought abortion was only in the 2 trimester or something, but if a person is raped then if they are just going to remove the egg, then that is ok because it [the fetus/whatever its called] hasn't developed yet. if the condom breaks or the pill doesn't work then get it done before anything develops, but if you leave it, then its your own fault, and you are killing a half developed child, who could find a cure for cancer, stop racism, etc. if you have waited a long time for a solution, just give it up for adoption, no one is going to deny you that........ ----------------------------------- Paul Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:29 pm ----------------------------------- I don't like george bush... especially not in that pic... P.S. All abortion cases should be reviewed. ----------------------------------- Maverick Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:40 pm ----------------------------------- I don't like george bush... especially not in that pic... P.S. All abortion cases should be reviewed. I agree with you on both points. Bush is a tard :D and ya i do think all abortion cases shuld be reviewed. If there was something that happened like condom break rape etc. then it shuld be an option. ----------------------------------- jonos Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:47 pm ----------------------------------- but only if the person has not left the decision until the last minute. If the fetus has not developed, then yeah. ----------------------------------- Maverick Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:49 pm ----------------------------------- ya if theu knew about it and didnt do anything til later then they shuld not be allowed to have the abortion ----------------------------------- the_short1 Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:59 pm ----------------------------------- yea.... lots of intelligent spam... hard to keep up with all the posts lately.... anyways... i am christian.... but... i only go to church 1-3 times a year.. also... i drink... have done pot b4, and watch porn... so... help me! o no.. now... realy.. do u rather a child have absolutely no place on the earh?>? if u have a child that u dont want or cant take care of... it places a burder on society.. on tax payers.. and most of all the child gets a bad start to a future... now... for girls that are far in... i thing that is wrong and gruesome... but wentd its first discovered... yea... i think it should be legal..... dont flame me please please..!!! nooooo.... lol... killing a half matured fetus aint rite... ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:41 pm ----------------------------------- whoever put such restrictions on Christians is a moron (pls don't be God) ----------------------------------- jonos Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:28 am ----------------------------------- I think restrictions on Christians are self-imposed. They impose them on themselves and they are different for everybody. ----------------------------------- PaddyLong Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:39 am ----------------------------------- for most religions that's true jonos... but some of the restrictions that people put on themselves in the name of religion are pretty bad ----------------------------------- jonos Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:08 am ----------------------------------- Yeah, but that's in your opinion. The restrictions could seem completetly rational and good in their opinion. Yeah, but some are just plain stupid in my opinion too, like not having any form of pleasure in life, etc. ----------------------------------- templest Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:44 pm ----------------------------------- I'm notorious for writing really long posts. So just to mix it up a bit, I'll keep this one short and simple. For every day old the kid is when they get aborted, the woman should get one pound of flesh removed from her body, without anesthetics. That about sums up my disguist for these people. I don't give a fuck if it's a child being born of a rape. Look a tupac. There was a retarded woman with 14 kids, if she would have aborted her last kid they'red be no Beethoven. Life is life, and it's not anyones choice who get's to live or not. You're having a kid and you're 14? tough luck, It's called celebacy you whore. Just have the fucking kid and give it up for adoption, at least then the kid will have some chance at living a life. And even if he doesn't get adopted, rest assuered he'll live a better and more fruitfull life than 3 weeks as a fetus. And you won't have the murder of your child burned in your mind for the rest of your disguisting life. Women who kill their unborn offspring because they don't have the balls to deal with the consequences of their actions make me want to go counter-strike on their asses. At least prostitutes with kids took up the responsability of raising their kids as best they can. Those women deserve admiration. Not some 12 yr old that got over murder with therapy. Wow, this ended up being a long post. Whatever. ----------------------------------- jonos Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:15 pm ----------------------------------- That was very well said. +bits ----------------------------------- the_short1 Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:42 pm ----------------------------------- ok... not to really argue with templest here... but... what if the mother had a good chance of dying if she gave birth?? like.. internal bleeding... or something or another... and the doctor avised her that, she was in danger of serious injury if she deleivered a baby??? also... what about if the mother is REALY REALY young and is on drugs etc?would u rather that child sufering from mental damage for the rest of his life and or disfigurement / missing body parts??? Or have the child die on delievery because hes all 'messed up' for lack of better word.. or the child suffer malnurishment (in the womb) because the teen is bolemic / anerexic or w/e... or doesn;t know how to take care of herself... or how about if one of the partners (mother or father) has cancer and/or some other serious diseases.. would you want a child that is basically dead and have no chance of life????? would you rather the child suffer??? i agree with u templest... if you are able to give birth to a (Healthy) baby, then abortion is wrong.. having sex comes with taht responsibility..... but... if your going to have a baby that is all messed up because the mother is not sick, on drugs, or w/e then... abortion may be rite choice*... *if its early in pregnancy i hope that dont make a big fight :( intelligent spam breaking up the compsci community.....crzy stuff... -kevin ----------------------------------- Maverick Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:54 pm ----------------------------------- umm cancer isnt genetic, but ya i mainly agree with most of the things u said ----------------------------------- templest Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:47 pm ----------------------------------- Don't challenge me... It'll only make me angrier... ahh... AHH.. GRWAAAAAAARHGRHGHGHGHRH!!!!!@!@!! ... First off, I think it's very shallow and pesimistic of you to assume that just because someone is born with physical disabilities that their going to live a shit life. Again, Beethoven, wasn't he def to my recolection? Yeet he managed to make such pretty music. :) Now, uhh, isn't that one guy, his name escapes me right now, you know the guy... smartest guy in the world, highest I.Q. ? You know the one... the one that's in a wheel chair due to some problem? He's basically a vegetable... but WAIT! He chews math for breakfast. Physical disabilities are a sure obstacle, but that doesn't stop someone from living a good life. My sister's body is basically half paralyzed but she has 2 girls, drives a car where she accelerates with a button on the steering wheel, due to the leg impediment, has a loving husband, makes damned good money (I wish I had her PC). No to brag, She was born like this. But that didn't stop her from graduating for University, specially in a country like Canada. Don't throw that deformed baby shit at me. What if my mom said,"ohh shit... she's half paralyzed? Will never be normal? Speech impediment? Numb on one side of the body? Fuck that, Let's throw her in a trash bin...". Whoops, this fine lady wouldn't have never existed. Ohh well.. Better luck next time. My parents are not rich. We are immigrants that were on welfare for about, umm.. untill 4 years ago. I was 4 when we came here. I'm 17 now. But look at my sister, and I'm off to University next year as well. See... Even if you have the shittiest of situations, you can still make something of your life. I've seen people without any FUCKING ARMS drive BMWs with their feet, and raise kids by just developing their foot dexterity. It crazy, but it's true. So fuck your deformed baby theory. No insult intended, I didn't say "fuck you" or anything, just your opinion. If I knew that my offspring was going to be born with one leg and 3 eyes, with wolf fangs and a damned tail, I wouldn't kill him. Again, if you're too much of a coward to take life, then why the fuck are you sticking cocks up your fucking crotch in the first place? Damned immature girls. And even if they do, do it. At LEAST do YOUR VERY MINIMAL JOB AND POP THE FUCKING KID OUT AND GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION. THAT'S WHY THIS SHIT EXISTS, SO THAT STUPID WHOREISH GIRLS LIKE YOU GIVE YOUR KIDS A CHANCE AT LIFE. I've seen people born without hands play a piano like damned Chopin. Again, Life is Life. I don't decide who lives, you don't, a doctor doesn't, the government doesn't, not your mom, not the bitch that's considering it, NO ONE DOES. Need I say it, that is a human fucking being. You don't own that 3 month old kid. He is not anyone's property. That's an individual, that's a life, that is someone that would grow up to be somebody that you are removing from this fucking world just because you don't think it's humane to let it live. FUCK YOU! IT'S IN-HUMANE TO FUCKING KILL IT OFF. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE? DOGS? MANTISs? DO WE KILL OF THE WEAKEST OFFSPRING AND JUST LEAVE THE STRONGEST AND HEALTHIEST ONES? fucking dumbasses... sorry for the excesive cursing and banter, got woken up at 8am and I need some damned Tim Horton's. ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:31 pm ----------------------------------- *whispers* Guys... I think he's turning RED ----------------------------------- the_short1 Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:45 pm ----------------------------------- ok... whoa... time for tim hortons especially..... heheh ;) anyways...... ok... u got some good points there.... i said waht if, not basing my opinion on that... just to mention it for the sake of others... . NOTE TO SELF: dont argue with templest...... hehehehheheh anyways...... Turing GREEN..???? wha..... maybe red..,,,, also....... yes betowen and all them handicaped ppl.... yes... they live good lives... i was saying 'what if' mainly' to 99% chance of dying on birth.... for mother or child.... thats hard to live through... yes.. adoption is a good choice... now... this show Maury... some teens under age 18 wanting kids... thinking they can look after them, yet they do drugs... and sleep with a bunch of guys... they dont care they just want to raise a kid by themselves... thats some ISSUEs!!!.... funny funny....