----------------------------------- Blade Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:08 am Turing or OOT/OOT or Turing ----------------------------------- which one by far is the best? I'm kind of thinking that Turing is better... ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:30 am ----------------------------------- i am not relay shure what you are asking here? i think that all the turings for windows are object oreidted and the one for dos is'ent? i have never used the dos turing but i asome it is not as good as windos becuse there whode be a lack of graicks comands for pichers if any. if you are asking about the difrent version of turing for windows, turing 3.1.1 has sprites that wrok wich can be good. but turing 4.* has better contural of pic's and some new comands wch can be help full but no sprites :( ----------------------------------- azndragon Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:02 pm ----------------------------------- I like Turing 4.0 because it's nice and colour coded, which really helps beginner programmers, or just about anyone, since it keeps it nice and organized. Also, Turing 3 series have a bad habit of opening new windows of every file, even if the current file is blank. It also has too many windows in the background, and it's really bad at selecting text. ----------------------------------- Blade Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:52 pm ----------------------------------- well, i was just asking for everyone opinion on either of them and which one they prefer to use... i like turing 4 because it is colour coded and it doesnt have 3 or 4 windows open all the time. it also supports more things than OOT (other then sprites)... hopefully they do get that fixed :D another thing i noticed that turing has that oot doesn't is the function list... i tried opening it at school but it sat there and did nothing, i also tried it here when i got it at home, and it didnt work here either .... maybe a lemon file? ----------------------------------- Asok Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:34 pm ----------------------------------- Turing 4.0 is better... I say that because it had a picture of a spiral and put it into a Pic.Rotate loop so I've been hypnotised to believing 4.0 is the best :shock: ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:38 pm ----------------------------------- ROFL... well I dont program in turing anymore... but I use v4.x to test your programs out :wink: It being color coded helps to read the code better. As for lack of sprites... I think picMerge + View.Update overcome that problem ----------------------------------- Catalyst Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:13 pm ----------------------------------- turing 4.0 is by far the best (thx to View.Update), but im trying to ween myself onto c++ ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:18 pm ----------------------------------- yes, if you got a chance, try out C++... We got some very basic intro tutorials available, but if anyone actually makes "hello world" and want to continue, I'll be glad to write up more interesting stuff. Dont you EVER think that 1 language is enough... its not. NOT turing... C++? maybe... but NOT turing. Once you get coumfortable with it, move on. Unless you're some crazy programmer like Catalyst who can create particle systems in turing... :? Then I think you should move on to C++ anyway and try your hand at rewriting other 3DSMAX modifiers :D ----------------------------------- Asok Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:22 pm ----------------------------------- Tony's right, you need to have multiple languages under your belt. I currently using both turing (due to stupid school curriculum) and C++. ----------------------------------- Blade Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:27 pm ----------------------------------- yea, i'm using turing because of school, but i'm not going to become that good with it... within the next week my school is putting me in java... i really dont have anything to use C++, my school doesnt have a program to code in it either, so i'm not really motivated to learn it ----------------------------------- Asok Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:29 pm ----------------------------------- I haven't done much Java beyond cool JavaScript but from what I hear it's harder to learn than C++ ----------------------------------- Catalyst Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:45 pm ----------------------------------- ive looked at java and its pretty different from the languages ive seen ----------------------------------- Blade Sun Mar 23, 2003 4:00 pm ----------------------------------- yea, it is supossed to be hard, i hope it has hella more challange than turing... ----------------------------------- azndragon Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:06 am ----------------------------------- I'm stuck with Turing until I can get my hands on a C++ compiler, and the money to pay for it :lol: ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:27 pm ----------------------------------- money to pay for it? try FREE :D http://www.bloodshed.net./ there's a bunch of other free C++ compiler awailable online. Someone said this one is good, though I use VC++ ----------------------------------- azndragon Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:32 pm ----------------------------------- Hmm, maybe I'll take a look at it, but aren't free compilers really crappy? ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:28 pm ----------------------------------- I donno... not all of them... and it sure beats purchasing VC++.Net for over $1000 :shock: ----------------------------------- azndragon Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:50 pm ----------------------------------- Do people actually buy that for personal use? :shock: ----------------------------------- Asok Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:52 pm ----------------------------------- well most get it through businesses. ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:52 pm ----------------------------------- yeah... through business... 3DSMAX is $3500 Maya Pro is $7000 :shock: ----------------------------------- azndragon Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:54 pm ----------------------------------- And I thought paying $800 for Office XP Professional was expensive :? ----------------------------------- Blade Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:57 pm ----------------------------------- i wanna be a software developer :shock: :D ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:01 pm ----------------------------------- lol, Catalyst will make tons of money... I'm not gonna be surpriced if he would work on Maya or with discreet. though its kinda interesting with hired programmers... cuz they get paid for writing code and dont get royalties if that code turns out to be amazing and brings millions of dollars in profits. Atleast thats what I think :? and individual, self-hired programmers dont tend to do good ether... mostly cuz they need to invest $1000 for a compiler alone :shock: ----------------------------------- Dan Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:00 pm ----------------------------------- unless you are a devloper for the govement ;) . the progame that was made to deal with taxs cost the canadian govment over 100 million dolors and had a bug in it that cost them an aditale million dolors in wrongy payed taxs. ----------------------------------- Tony Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:11 pm ----------------------------------- no kidding.. government spends soo much on everything... like they paid $500,000+ to some guy to make sujestions on what cuts to do to education system... in my opinion, if they just cut spending on those advisors, it would all be ok... do you know how they got into this mess in first place? they paid $1,000,000 to a guy to check if their education system was ok or not... that ofset the budget and system started loosing money... then they kept on hiring more guys like that to give them sujestions on how to fix it... :shock: I donno, but its a possibility