----------------------------------- ecookman Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:59 pm Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Ive been using it for a few hours and I'm quite fond of it, I'm liking the GUI and it appears to be a bit faster. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:17 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I like it too....but did you notice how most of the tests on IE Test Drive don't work on it? Perhaps that site is rigged... ----------------------------------- Zren Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:50 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I despise the wasted space where the title bar is. Ever since I stated using chrome, and before that even, making the top section as small as possible has been a key choice what I did to the GUI. Seriously, what's so hard about moving the tabs to be beside the orange button. I know you need to have the option to move the tabs below, but when it's on top... There's a hack for it [http://davidnaylor.org/blog/2010/08/move-tabs-to-titlebar-in-firefox-4/] but it really should be default. The new menus are very stylish by the way. The firefox button menu is actutally very Windowsy. o.O I'm still trying to decide if that's a good thing, as the design isn't very seemless. Design wise, I actually liked IE9 better. o.O Still, I'd need to force myself to stop using Chrome to fully test out the new fox. ----------------------------------- DemonWasp Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:57 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Zren: I have my tabs next to the Firefox button by default (Windows 7 x64 / Ubuntu 10.10). Not sure what you're talking about. ----------------------------------- Zren Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:20 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Zren: I have my tabs next to the Firefox button by default (Windows 7 x64 / Ubuntu 10.10). Not sure what you're talking about. Nevermind, turns out Beta 8 wasn't the latest (I installed it a bit ago). I didn't re-download because on the download site it shows the non-maximized mode where the menu button is on top so I didn't bother. Well that's one ranting gone to the wind. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:28 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Chrome. 'nuff said. ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:41 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I am a big Firefox fan but I hate the new UI in FF4. By default it trys to be to minimalist and chrome like. I like things like the file menu, having tabs under the address bar and having a status bar. However what i do like is how cusmtizable the UI is. I was able to fix all theses issues with out any kind of patch, plugin or extension and have it layed out just the way i like. Other than the UI i have not noticed many changes. I wish they would put more time into performance issues then copying chrome. ----------------------------------- DemonWasp Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:26 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Try smooth-scrolling in the new Firefox. Much better than Chrome ever has been. Plus, it's AdBlock actually works. ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:51 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I've been using Chrome for a while now, Firefox collecting dust on the desktop. Anyone want to quickly outline the changes since I last used Firefox (3.something, 3.5 I think)? ----------------------------------- DemonWasp Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:58 am RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- The big ones for me were: - Smoother scrolling (if you middle-click and then move the cursor, the page will scroll...smoothly in Firefox, but quite choppily in other browsers. - Faster startup and rendering. They're not game-changing boosts, but they're quite nice. - Tabs in taskbar = more vertical space; I like this, but as others have mentioned it's completely configurable. - Application tabs (right-click gmail, pin as app tab). - All sorts of fun new web standards. - Overall, much more responsive UI and feel. The things that drove me from Chrome to Firefox include: - AdBlock that works. - Smoother animations in general. - More predictable error behaviour (at least, in my opinion). - Found a really annoying bug in Chrome that affects copy-pasting code from its PDF view. ----------------------------------- Amailer Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:19 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I find that the font rendering in Firefox 4 is a bit blurry. I don't love it or hate it, meh for me. Sticking with chrome for now. ----------------------------------- DtY Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:31 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Just upgraded, and my first thought was Greasemonkey and searchbar autosizer are not compatible. But, that's to be expected. The incompatibility that bothers me is that the Canadian English dictionary is incompatible. How did they manage to make the dictionary incompatible? My US English and French dictionaries are still good. If the only problem is metadata on it, why has it not been updated? ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:01 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Sounds alright - not really anything to make me switch back, but I'll end up using Firefox a little more than I do. This time start fresh, and sync it with my Chrome (Xmarks and Lastpass). ----------------------------------- BigBear Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:17 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I do not like how highlighting in Chrome and Safari an others? is boxy I do not like tab on the top because I click to change window and I change tabs. tabs are also closer to the webpage don't want to pass everything like location bar etc to get to tabs I also have menu toolbar hidden. I like how chrome has grease monkey built in. I do not like how firefox hasn't changed things like adding recently closed tabs to history side bar and allow you to browse bookmarks from bookmark toolbar Also the font is too small? and one crtl + is too big I will get used to it I guess ----------------------------------- DtY Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:28 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Also the font is too small? and one crtl + is too bigYou can always change the font size in Preferences>Content ----------------------------------- RandomLetters Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:06 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I like the tabs on top in chrome. It associates with the address bar better and is more like basically having separate windows in one app. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:24 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- They already are separate processes. It's as close to a completely different window as you can get without being in a completely different window. ----------------------------------- BigBear Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:34 am RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Also people are suggesting every ff tab to be a separate process that they can kill as to not have to kill all their tabs. I think it is silly to run chrome.exe every time you have a new tab ----------------------------------- Insectoid Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:12 am RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I dunno how it works on Winders, but on osx, running Chrome launches a 'backbone process', of which each tab is a child (or so it appears). It'd be like having a chrome.exe, and a separate application that Chrome launches for each tab. ----------------------------------- RandomLetters Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:18 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- For windows I think there is 1 main chrome.exe, and then each tab is an extra process, since I always have more processes than tabs. Either that, or something is terribly, terribly wrong. ----------------------------------- DtY Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:18 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- It's like running a threaded server. You might be running five Apache processes, but it's not the same as running five instances of Apache. ----------------------------------- DemonWasp Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:06 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- ...except that in general, threaded servers use actual threads, instead of processes. Generally, threads are lighter, and there can be many threads "inside" any given process. I think there was some reason they chose to go with processes over threads; I think it was something about some kinds of I/O blocking an entire process instead of just the calling thread, though I can't remember where I heard that. ----------------------------------- 2goto1 Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:22 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- There are a lot of Chrome architectural resources that explain their motivations for taking a process based approach, http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/multi-process-architecture Google also had a very high-level cartoon that they published at the time Chrome was first released, but I can't seem to find it right now ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:32 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Google also had a very high-level cartoon that they published at the time Chrome was first released, but I can't seem to find it right now [url=http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/]Was it this one? ----------------------------------- 2goto1 Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:47 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Yep ----------------------------------- BigBear Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:49 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- http://canweshipyet.com/ almost released ----------------------------------- SS1389 Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:51 am Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Viewing your Hotmail email on Firefox 4 is a nightmare. ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:04 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I switched from Hotmail a few months back - I found Hotmail in general was a nightmare. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:00 pm Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Viewing your Hotmail email on Firefox 4 is a nightmare. It works fine for me.... ----------------------------------- Insectoid Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:05 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- FF4 still doesn't complete the Acid 3 test. Gets stuck on 97/100. Chrome gets 100/100 on it. I just downloaded it, and it looks to be copying Chrome's UI, however it's doing a poor job of it. Chrome is designed to take very little space. Firefox...isn't. On OSX, Chrome inlines the title bar with the tabs- as in, the tabs are at the same height as the close/minimize/maximize buttons. Firefox does not do this. Similarly, the home/back/refresh buttons on FF4 are quite glaringly large, as opposed to Chrome's small but accessible buttons on the same level as the address bar. I haven't used it enough to gauge performance, and I'm not likely to. Chrome is just instantly better. I can't say I'm biased. I used Firefox for years, switched to Chrome, and after a few initial hiccups it does everything better than Firefox ever did. ----------------------------------- BigBear Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:44 am RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Chrome doesn't even display the acid 3 test properly. Firefox does have tab at the top title bar if you have tabs on top set and if the browser is maximized you can remove any buttons in Firefox who uses home anyways and the buttons are on the address bar and you can put them wherever you want Why I don't use chrome is the lack of menu bar when you press alt and have access to everything instead of going through that menu the lack of bring you right to the page from the address bar the weird scrolling and page highlighting ----------------------------------- SS1389 Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:03 pm Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- @SNIPERDUDE What did you switch to? @ProgrammingFun They must have fixed it then. There used to be this refreshing issue. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:12 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- @Bigbear, I get a perfect score on Acid3. It doesn't render *totally* smoothly, but it scores 100, completes the test and is pixel-for-pixel exactly the same as the reference rendering. I dunno how it is on Windows, but on Mac there isn't any weird scrolling or highlighting, and the menu bar (application bar on OSX) follows the OSX standard. ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:21 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- @SS1389 Gmail. I love how I never have to even go to the web page to access my inbox, or even send mail with so many extensions and apps that can for you. I'm using Mail Checker Plus for Google Mail (Chrome Extension) and love it. Even if you do prefer to use the website itself it is very customizable with CSS editors and script addons (Greasemonkey). And what took me off-guard that is rather smart is Gmail will notify you If you forget to attach something after in the email writing "Attached is..." (I'm guessing there is similar text it scans resulting in the same function or similar). No more useless emails from Windows Live team, Automatic MSN login when checking email, No outside access to my inbox, and other uselessness that is standard for Hotmail. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:06 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- No more useless emails from Windows Live team, Automatic MSN login when checking email, No outside access to my inbox, and other uselessness that is standard for Hotmail. [url=http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/27/gmail-accidentally-resetting-accounts-years-of-correspondence-v/]Perhaps more of this though. I admit Gmail actually is better...but I have grown too used to hotmail.... ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:35 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- I have been using hotmail for 10 years, but finally got sick of it. I have grown used to the interface and features over the years, and thought I'd never switch, but it was when they introduced automatic MSN sign-in I started to grow angry at it. There are a myriad of reasons, but in the end Gmail does prove to be better. Anyhow this has grown off-topic a little, apologies. ----------------------------------- andrew. Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:40 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- @insectoid: It works fairly smoothly on Windows, gets 100, and is pixel-for-pixel with the reference. Maybe BigBear's using an older version of Chrome. ----------------------------------- ecookman Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:48 pm Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Just tried IE on acid 3. The result was shockingly good. http://img846.imageshack.us/i/ieacidtestfail.png/ ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:55 pm Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Just tried IE on acid 3. The result was shockingly good. http://img846.imageshack.us/i/ieacidtestfail.png/ When I tried it on the beta, it was 100/100...they even boasted that on their test drive site.... ----------------------------------- Sur_real Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:03 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- ok I just installed IE9 TODAY to check it out Fresh copy; nothing done to it... here's the result: http://i.imgur.com/yIj7C.png ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:43 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Firefox 4 is (unofficially) available for download from Mozilla's FTP servers (final build): ----------------------------------- Zren Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- Firefox 4 is (unofficially) available for download from Mozilla's FTP servers (final build): And miss out on the possibly chance of another Guinness record? They're doing another one right? They still hold the record for [url=http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/Search/Details/The-most-downloads-of-a-software-application-in-24-hrs/66275.htm]the last launch though so who knows. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:18 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- And miss out on the possibly chance of another Guinness record? They're doing another one right? They still hold the record for That is what was bugging me....I wanted to use the browser, but I also want to take part in the Guinness record... Therefore, I installed it on one computer....and will download tomorrow for the others :roll: :lol: Maybe this download will still trigger their counting? :wink: :vi: EDIT: Results! I am disappointed in Acid 3...perhaps it is a computer problem (this computer is SLOW and OLD)? http://i53.tinypic.com/2w2mn2f.png http://i52.tinypic.com/23nuci.png ----------------------------------- ecookman Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:36 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- meh 1% less than 3.6 gudneuf for me. I personally will spam the download page for probably 1000 hits for the world record :p ----------------------------------- Zren Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:32 pm RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- For the love of stats whores everywhere (and simple children who like flashy things)... http://glow.mozilla.org/ Oh, and the backend of this flashy toy is pretty deep: http://blog.mozilla.com/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/. ----------------------------------- DtY Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:40 pm Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it? ----------------------------------- For the love of stats whores everywhere (and simple children who like flashy things)... http://glow.mozilla.org/ Oh, and the backend of this flashy toy is pretty deep: http://blog.mozilla.com/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/.No flash! I think I'm in love