----------------------------------- SS1389 Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:54 pm Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- andrew. Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:56 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Yes. You can install any operating system you like through Bootcamp. Bootcamp is essentially just a program on Mac for partitioning the hard drive and I think it's also the boot loader on Mac. It doesn't limit the OS you can install. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:00 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Is the 21.5' much smaller than the 27'? ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:17 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Is it possible to install Mac on a computer built for Windows (I mean is there a good tutorial for doing so?) ----------------------------------- Insectoid Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:25 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- It is possible, however it is not legal in the US, which is where compsci's server is located, and thus we cannot discuss it. A bit of googling couldn't hurt though ;) ----------------------------------- mirhagk Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:38 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- It is possible, however it is not legal in the US, which is where compsci's server is located, and thus we cannot discuss it. A bit of googling couldn't hurt though ;) wait... sorry this is off topic, but this is located in the US. Kinda funny that the computer science canada forum, with .ca is located in the US. Like do they pay for an online server, or is there a specific server somewhere that is compsci's? You'd think that this would be hosted at UWaterloo or something. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:04 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- The physical server that Dan owns (I think) which runs Comsci.ca, IRC, occasionally DWITE, and the wiki (possibly more) is located in the USA. Dan has his reasons for hosting it there (which I do not fully understand) but this is the case. ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:13 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- The physical server that Dan owns (I think) which runs Comsci.ca, IRC, occasionally DWITE, and the wiki (possibly more) is located in the USA. We rent two physical servers in data centers in the USA for CompSci.ca, DWITE.ca, and serveral other computer science and open source realted projects. We have also been using the amazon cloud for DWITE.ca during contest rounds. Dan has his reasons for hosting it there (which I do not fully understand) but this is the case. Mostly cost. Bandwith and the cost to rent a server in a quality data center are much cheaper in the USA then in Canada. I have had plans to research and move to datacenters in the toronto or waterloo/kitchern area however it would be some what of a undertaking to move everything. Also we are considering if moving everything to the amazon cloud would be a better idea which is in part why we have been expermenting with it for DWITE. The cloud lets us scale our resources to meet demand and deal with DDoS attacks (which have been an issue for DWITE in the past) easily tho the cost maybe slightily higher then our current servers. Like do they pay for an online server, or is there a specific server somewhere that is compsci's? Both, we pay to rent out two pysical servers in two diffrent data centers in the US. You'd think that this would be hosted at UWaterloo or something. If Waterloo wanted to give us a full server in their data center we would, but that seems rather unliekly. I could proably get shared or VPS hosting from Lakehead but that proably would not stand up to demand placed on it from DWITE. ----------------------------------- Amailer Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:33 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Doesn't make it any less of a Canadian site :P And dedicated server hosting prices in Canada are far more expensive than what you can get in America. Would be cool if a university would donate some server space though :D ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:56 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I always thought DWITE ran from Dan's basement... It seems that everything Mac-related which I can think of is illegal... ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:36 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I always thought DWITE ran from Dan's basement... DWITE has a front end and a back end. The front end (the website and submssion system) runs either on the CompSci.ca servers or the amazon cloud and the back end (the automated judge) runs on a 8 core, 8GB ram PC located in my basement. The judge porgram it's self auctualy is ran in a virutal machine so submssion can not affect my PC. We are also capable of running multipe copies of the judge so the back end PC is noramly running at least 3 judging VMs, but can be scaled up to many more when needed. Also my basement is a bit better equipt then your average basement, i have a 60 minute uninterruptible power supply and both a 25Mbps and 7Mbps connection which use diffrent ISPs and diffrent connection tehcnoglies (so at least one should allways be working, tho i have had my home connection DDoSed before). It seems that everything Mac-related which I can think of is illegal... The rules of the site just say you can't help peoleop break US copy right law. Talking about and helping poeleop boot a legal copy of windows on a Mac is fine, however showing or telling some one how to boot OS X on a PC is not. You can tell them to just google it as their are many guides out their (just don't link directly to them). ----------------------------------- TheGuardian001 Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:42 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- It seems that everything Mac-related which I can think of is illegal... Welcome to the wonderful world of Apple. Their entire company is designed around you using their products for everything. Apple Computers run Apple Systems that run Apple Software that lets you use Apple Hardware and may god have mercy on your soul if you think about replacing any part of that with something non-Apple. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:19 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Apple is a monopoly. ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:44 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- shame there aren't any third party software options, and you can't use any third party peripherals. DAMN YOU STEVE JOBS! ----------------------------------- Insectoid Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:54 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- No 3rd party peripherals? Explain please. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:55 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- shame there aren't any third party software options, and you can't use any third party peripherals. DAMN YOU STEVE JOBS!That is why NeXT (owned by Steve Jobs) failed when it tried to monopolize: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT and had to switch to software only... ----------------------------------- SS1389 Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:57 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Do you guys think now would be a good time to buy a Mac? ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:15 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Do you guys think now would be a good time to buy a Mac?No, too overpriced for something with mediocre specs (unless you want the 12-core)...I would recommend the not-so-discussable way (windows/linux comp + virtual machine :wink: ) Try Windows 7...you will get better specs for a lower price... ----------------------------------- andrew. Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:09 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- shame there aren't any third party software options, and you can't use any third party peripherals. DAMN YOU STEVE JOBS!Sarcasm? ----------------------------------- Insectoid Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:17 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Oh, it makes sense now. Thanks andrew. Sarcasm doesn't communicate well over the intertubes. ----------------------------------- andrew. Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:37 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Do you guys think now would be a good time to buy a Mac?Well, Apple usually updates it's lineup of Macs anually (most of the time in October). So if you're fine with buying a computer now, only to find out a better one for the same price comes out in a few months, then you should get it. Also keep in mind that although you can get a Windows computer with the same specs for cheaper, the extra money goes into the build quality and the OS among other things, and is worth it IMO. So if you don't mind paying some extra money and you think OS X suits your needs, then go for the Mac. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:49 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Thanks alot guys. ----------------------------------- wtd Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:54 am Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Can you? Maybe if you cherry pick the specs you're comparing. That's where everyone else excels, though: they give you a million and one options. Let me pose this challenge: find me a 13" Windows notebook that weighs 4.5 pounds (or less), gets 10 hours (or more) of battery life, has a fast dual core processor, dedicated graphics (or at least equivalent of the Nvidia 320M in the Apple), 4GB of RAM (and supports up to 8GB) and costs less than $1249CAD. You could show me the Sony VAIO Z which is about as close as you'll get, but then you also need to hand me $650 and another $300 for another battery so I can get 10 hours of battery life. $950 is a big price premium. ----------------------------------- andrew. Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:29 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I said that you could find a Windows computer with the same specs for cheaper. I didn't say the same form factor, quality, battery life. That's why I said that the extra money goes into the build quality of the computer and other things... Edit: I would like to show you the [url=http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-14-1-intel-core-i5-460-laptop-qx410-qx410/10156348.aspx?path=43f7dd425b73e3102ee44412558f1e0cen02]Samsung QX410. It's only $900 and has an i5, switchable graphics (I believe the discrete card is 310m), 7 hour battery life, aluminum body, weighs 4.7 lbs, and 640GB hard drive. Comparable to the 13" MBP in my opinion, and cheaper too. However, like I said before, when you buy the MBP, you're paying extra for the superior build quality, better battery life, OS X, etc. ----------------------------------- wtd Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:05 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Things like weight and battery life are specifications. Some of the most important. That the majority of the buying public ignores them does not invalidate them. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:42 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Any recommendations for video editing software for Windows XP? My Windows Movie Maker has been behaving strangely lately.. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:36 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- andrew, I'd like to mention that OSX is actually a lot cheaper than Windows. Unless PC retailers are offering Windows for free with the hardware (Usually it's incorporated into the price) you can't really include OSX in the cost comparison. ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:41 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- pre-packaged software introduces interesting (and by that I mean complicated) economics, to price comparisons. Standalone complete Windows 7 retails for $320. Standalone complete OSX Snow Leopard is $29. Although Snow Leopard is widely considered to be an upgrade to Leopard, which originally retailed at $165. Still, that is about half of what Windows 7 costs. But this is where things get interesting, as one is still paying a premium for OSX, but perhaps not in an intuitive way. Instead of paying to "upgrade" to OSX, one offered discounts to "downgrade" their Windows experience. By that I mean taking a subset of an operating system -- there are 6 versions of Win7, with features being locked out until an upgrade step is purchased http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editionsAdditionally retailers or distributors roll in their own adware, to supplement the costs. You know that pile of pre-installed trial software that pollutes the desktop? There's money in that. So there are some negative dollar values at play here. Some machines are cheaper because you get a discount to put up with more crap. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:48 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Any recommendations for video editing software for Windows XP? My Windows Movie Maker has been behaving strangely lately.. So...... ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:14 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Premiere Elements is pretty decent. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:46 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I would recommend the not-so-discussable way (windows/linux comp + virtual machine :wink: ) Is this a "not-so-discussable" way? Running an OS in a VM is the best way of doing many things; security, VPS.. These things are pretty widely accepted, so I'm curious if there really is something to hide here... ----------------------------------- Dan Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:50 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I would recommend the not-so-discussable way (windows/linux comp + virtual machine :wink: ) Is this a "not-so-discussable" way? Running an OS in a VM is the best way of doing many things; security, VPS.. These things are pretty widely accepted, so I'm curious if there really is something to hide here... It sounds like he is sugesting running OSX in a VM. Well simply giving that sugeston does not break the rules, detials on how to run OSX in a VM would be as it violates the DMCA. Detials on running Windows, Linux and others in a VM are ok as they allow it and do not have digital locks trying and pervent it. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:53 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I've been considering on getting an iMac lately, the 21.5 inch i3 model, but I'm not sure if i3 is powerful enough and I've heard some stories about the screen. Apparently dust can easily lodge into it. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:57 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I've never used an iMac extensively, though when I did I can't say I was a huge fan of it. I didn't like how the OS translated to the desktop, and honestly, I prefer my desktop to be easily upgradeable. Buying a whole new computer when your hardware gets old sucks, and I'd rather just throw in a new RAM chip and video card. Most laptops aren't significantly upgradeable, so why not get a decent one with a great OS? ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:09 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I've been considering on getting an iMac lately, the 21.5 inch i3 model, but I'm not sure if i3 is powerful enough and I've heard some stories about the screen. Apparently dust can easily lodge into it.What is it clocked at? i3 is pretty powerful...I have a friend who plays Crysis @ max settings on it (but that relates more to GPU and I guess Crysis shouldn't be used as a benchmarking test) ----------------------------------- SS1389 Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:12 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- The iMac? It has an i3 processor and it's clocked at 3.06 GHz. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:21 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- The iMac? It has an i3 processor and it's clocked at 3.06 GHz.And why do you think it is not strong enough? What do you want to do? ----------------------------------- SS1389 Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:23 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I was just wondering if there's that much of a gap between the i3 and i.e. the i5. ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:59 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I was just wondering if there's that much of a gap between the i3 and i.e. the i5.I can't really comment on that but I have a i5 and the usage never went above 5% MAX... ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:45 pm Re: RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I prefer my desktop to be easily upgradeable. Buying a whole new computer when your hardware gets old sucks, and I'd rather just throw in a new RAM chip and video card. You know, that just falls apart too often anymore. Sockets change, older types of RAM get more expensive as economies of scale kick in... It's cruel. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:17 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I think it's safe to assume that unless you're upgrading the processor, a 5-year old computer will take most upgrades. My 10 year old P4 still takes most RAM (enough to upgrade to at least 8gb for little cost) and most video cards. Unless you plan on having a hardcore gaming machine (which, if you're buying a mac, you aren't) upgrading will be relatively cheap, easy and rewarding. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:04 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Really? I've had no luck finding 2GB DDR DIMMs, and even the 1GB DIMMs are quite expensive compared to DDR2 or DDR3. You'd need 8 slots on your motherboard to upgrade to 8GB, and then your P4 is 32-bit, so it wouldn't do you any good. ----------------------------------- Insectoid Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:13 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I could *fit* 8gb on it. My local shop mostly services older machines (that's what most people here tend to have) so they keep a lot of DDR in stock. Indeed, 2gb chips aren't common, but they exist. My mobo also has 4 slots. Would I bother upgrading this machine? No. But I could. I figure, I'd rather buy a machine and replace parts over time than buy a new computer every few years. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:47 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- When I look at it, I see spending likely $400-500 on DDR RAM, or an AGP video card that's worth a damn on Craigslist, and I think... What's the point? For that much, I might as well start from scratch. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:50 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- I've heard some stories about the screen (of the iMac) . . . . ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:10 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Oh? ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:42 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- [url=http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/16/new-imac-and-macbook-pros-coming-in-2011/]Here...just for those who want to buy an iMac... ----------------------------------- SS1389 Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:53 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Tr?s interessant.... ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:24 pm RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- lol...this board doesn't appreciate fran?ais ----------------------------------- TheGuardian001 Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:18 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- This board doesn't appreciate unicode of any kind (see the "how often do you look at your keyboard" thread.) ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:36 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- This board doesn't appreciate unicode of any kind (see the "how often do you look at your keyboard" thread.)I know...I was referring to that thread... ----------------------------------- SS1389 Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:29 am Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Anyhow, when I was referring to screen issues, I was talking about dust easily lodging into the screen of the iMac. ----------------------------------- wtd Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:50 am RE:Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- Not an issue. The glass sheet that overlays the screen forms a nice tight seal. If there's dust inside when the glass is put on, it's not coming out, but should that occur, it's easy to fix with a pair of suction cups, some white gloves and a silicone roller. ----------------------------------- SS1389 Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:49 pm Re: Is it possible to run Windows 7 via BootCamp on an iMac? ----------------------------------- That's good to hear. Any desktop recommendations for