----------------------------------- Dan Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:26 pm Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Once again the Conservative government is trying to pass the Canadian version of the DMCA. Not only does this bill make it clearly illegal to download copyrighted materials, but also makes it illegal to break digital locks. This means backing up your DVDs or CDs would now be illegal in Canada as well as unlocking your phone, iPhone, iPad, etc. This also includes playing legally purchased DVDs and CDs via unlicensed DVD/CD players or software, including almost all Linux based media players. You can find a copy of the bill here: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4580265&Language=e&Mode=1 If you want to fight this, I suggest contacting your MP. You can find out who they are here: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx It is free to send a letter to there parliamentary address (no stamps needed) so you have almost nothing to lose! ----------------------------------- A.J Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:40 pm RE:Bill C-32 ----------------------------------- Maybe we should do something as an online community about this...but you are right Dan, we should contact our MP's regarding this issue. ----------------------------------- Carey Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:33 pm New Canadian Copyright Bill ----------------------------------- Mod Edit: This post was merged from another thread. Hello everyone, its been a while (like 3 years lol) An email from compsci.ca and and one about the new copyright bill landed next to each other in my inbox so I thought I'd pay this old friend a visit, seeing how everyone here is at least mildly tech savvy :D So, If you haven't heard, Canada is proposing a copyright bill that will make "breaking digital locks" illegal and punishable by a fine of up to $5000 per lock you break. Theres also more pressure on ISPs to play a more direct role in persecuting downloaders. Theres some other stuff in there as well but those are the main points. Check out the link below for a good summary. What I immediately grabbed from this bill is the fact that if you rip the new DVD you just bought (and therefore legally own) to your iPod or other PMP, you could be fined up to 2.5x more than someone who steals your entire laptop. Recap: Breaking a "digital lock" for personal use on something you legally own is now considered worse that physically stealing someones property. Makes perfect sense eh? A copy of the bill: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4580265&Language=e&Mode=1 A good article on the bill: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/What+legislation+means/3105053/story.html What do you think about this new bill? BTW, feel free to correct me if I got something wrong ----------------------------------- Insectoid Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:10 pm RE:New Canadian Copyright Bill ----------------------------------- I cannot express my disgust of digital locks textually or verbally. It is possible (and it has happened) that one can buy data and not even be able to use it. Older music may not be playable on new players (music bought through iTunes before they stopped 'protecting' the data with DRM cannot be played on anything but an iPod or through iTunes, or so I understand). ----------------------------------- DtY Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:48 pm Re: Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- This means backing up your DVDs or CDs would now be illegal in CanadaJust want to point out that audio CDs do not contain copy protection, so it's still okay to rip them. I'm not sure what the bill says about how many copies you can make though. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. As much as I really dislike this bill (at least it's predecessors, as I've said, I haven't read it yet), I think we're putting the blame on the wrong party, the government. The issue is really that content distributors are still stupid enough to use copy protection, and license agreements that don't let you do anything with the content you buy ----------------------------------- andrew. Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:51 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Whether it's the government's fault or the media companies, if the bill is passed, we're still in the same situation. I think that everyone should write to their MPs about it. Hopefully we can stop this from happening... ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:56 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Relevant -- http://www.ted.com/talks/omar_ahmad_political_change_with_pen_and_paper.html ----------------------------------- DtY Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:08 pm Re: RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Whether it's the government's fault or the media companies, if the bill is passed, we're still in the same situation. I think that everyone should write to their MPs about it. Hopefully we can stop this from happening...I don't think the bill should be passed, but we'd have a lot more freedom than we could ever hope for in copyright law if the distributors knew anything about the technology. Even if the bill passes, anyone can still choose to distribute their media in a reasonable way. ----------------------------------- Cezna Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:34 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- That seems ridiculous that you can't use Linux based players, and backing up DVDs and CDs is only common sense. I'm not surprised about the downloading of copyrighted material, but this is just another case of copyright overkill in regards to the online world. I don't normally have a long enough attention span to actually do anything about this sort of stuff..... but this one I might contact my MP about........ nah, I'ma have some cookies. (jk) ----------------------------------- Dan Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:58 pm Re: Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- This means backing up your DVDs or CDs would now be illegal in CanadaJust want to point out that audio CDs do not contain copy protection, so it's still okay to rip them. I'm not sure what the bill says about how many copies you can make though. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Acutatly many do (or at least used to), it's just very infective and mostly ignored. Some CDs used to have programs that would be excuted via the windows CD autorun that would attempt to stop riping of the CD. There was some conteveristy over this serveral years ago as simply pressing shift (which disables windows autorun) when inserting a CD would bypass the DRM and vilolate the DMCA in the USA. A more recent case of CD DRM going bad would be sony's Extended Copy Protection and MediaMax which installed sony's rootkit on users computers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal The problem with this bill is any digtial locks no matter how poorly made or easy to bypass are enforced by law. So the recording industry could simply place an exe on the CD with a pop up saying "Don't copy this!" and you would be violating copyright. If this bill passes you can be sure that every CD you get from now on will have DRM. ----------------------------------- unoho Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:26 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- tht means no more limewire for music or torrents to get movies and games?? ahh crapp :( FML ----------------------------------- Insectoid Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:48 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Limewire is still legal, just downloading copyrighted stuff isn't (who actually uses it for legal purposes anyway?) FYI, all those songs you're downloading are torrents. You can get the same files from another, faster client. Though the ease of use of limewire makes it nice... ----------------------------------- ProgrammingFun Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:14 am RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- The way I understand it, torrents break down files into parts so small that they have no value.... So wouldn't it still be legal? Let's move to Sweden now... :P ----------------------------------- Zren Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:17 am Re: RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- The way I understand it, torrents break down files into parts so small that they have no value.... So wouldn't it still be legal? Let's move to Sweden now... :P That's like saying I copied your essay, except one word at a time. Where does it say you can't download or "obtain digital memory." Found where it says you can't make it available, but that's part of the old bill anyways. Anyone know the section number that references downloading? And does anyone have a copy of the old copyright act for comparence? I found one from 1999 but they've updated it since then I'm sure. ----------------------------------- Carey Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:00 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- I agreee with Zren, http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-5121479.html It may be a bit outdated, but has anything changed with regards to downloading since 2003? I didn't think so but the articles I was reading about the new bill mentioned downloading was illegal (like it was always illegal, not like this new bill changed it) ----------------------------------- DtY Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:10 pm Re: Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- This means backing up your DVDs or CDs would now be illegal in CanadaJust want to point out that audio CDs do not contain copy protection, so it's still okay to rip them. I'm not sure what the bill says about how many copies you can make though. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Acutatly many do (or at least used to), it's just very infective and mostly ignored. Some CDs used to have programs that would be excuted via the windows CD autorun that would attempt to stop riping of the CD. There was some conteveristy over this serveral years ago as simply pressing shift (which disables windows autorun) when inserting a CD would bypass the DRM and vilolate the DMCA in the USA. A more recent case of CD DRM going bad would be sony's Extended Copy Protection and MediaMax which installed sony's rootkit on users computers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal The problem with this bill is any digtial locks no matter how poorly made or easy to bypass are enforced by law. So the recording industry could simply place an exe on the CD with a pop up saying "Don't copy this!" and you would be violating copyright. If this bill passes you can be sure that every CD you get from now on will have DRM.Forgot all about the sony virus! I can't imagine that holding up in court as copy protection, I would never even know, since I don't have a Windows computer. [edit] Was that ever tested in court as DRM? ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:50 pm Re: Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Was that ever tested in court as DRM? A number of parties filed law-suites against Sony first, so among all the negative press Sony simply backed out and recalled the products. ----------------------------------- Cezna Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:18 am Re: Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- I had never heard of that Sony thing, but I read the link posted by Dan, and I think I get it. So Sony included the root kit in order to stop anyone who bought the content it was on from downloading or copying copyrighted material by interfering with their computer? What I didn't get was the pat of that link that said: The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs by installing a rootkit which creates vulnerabilities for other malware to exploit. Dosn't that mean that it would be opening up the computer to viruses and other malware made by regular malicious hackers? ----------------------------------- DemonWasp Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:39 am RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Yes, that's exactly what it means - the rootkit circumvents some parts of the Windows security mechanism and this leaves a venue of attack for other crackers. ----------------------------------- Horus Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:02 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124731010892766&v=wall&ref=ts ----------------------------------- DtY Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:41 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- So, I haven't heard anything about this in a while. Blew over? ----------------------------------- SNIPERDUDE Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:31 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- Neither have I. My guess: yea. ----------------------------------- Dan Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:02 pm RE:Bill C-32 (Canadian Copyright Bill) ----------------------------------- The bill has been tabled after the first reading. Which basically means it's on hold and has not even been debated in the house yet. You can see the status of the bill here: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LEGISINFO/index.asp?Language=E&Chamber=N&StartList=A&EndList=Z&Session=23&Type=0&Scope=I&query=7026&List=stat Their is also a good blog post about the current state of C-32 here: http://www.zeropaid.com/news/90030/your-question-bill-c-32-has-it-passed/ If their is an election before it gets passed in the 3rd reading it is basically killed off.