----------------------------------- wtd Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:03 am The Java Introduction: what's needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- So, a thread devoted to nothing but suggestions on improving the Introduction to Java. All suggestions are welcome. Inane ones will be ridiculed. ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:05 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- I'd like to see more about Frames/JFrames and what can be done with them, and more about Swing and it's components ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:07 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- Swing is a big topic, and not integral to the language, which is why I've stayed away from that. ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:13 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- Perhaps some sort of comparison of Turing to Java. I could even write a tutorial if somebody gives me something to write it on. ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:14 am Re: RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- Perhaps some sort of comparison of Turing to Java. I could even write a tutorial if somebody gives me something to write it on. interesting you mention that, Holtsoft has a very crude, not well done chart on the subject, maybe you could redo it. Lemme find it EDIT: www.holtsoft.com/java/resources/turing_to_java.pdf ----------------------------------- HeavenAgain Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:24 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- re-use of code, mainly polymorphism, and the power of OOP, after all objects makes Java :D ----------------------------------- r691175002 Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:26 am Re: The Java Introduction: what's needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- I think that OOP theory and usefulness, perhaps even design patterns should get a mention because OOP is so fundamental to Java. It is a hard concept to grasp at first, and doesn't immediately seem useful so it will be hard to impart to a new programmer. I may also throw in a bit about Javadocs and how to take advantage of them, since I think that good documentation is key to being effective in a language with so many built in libraries. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:32 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- Perhaps some more about generics. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:35 am Re: The Java Introduction: what's needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- Yes wtd, some discussion on design patterns would be ideal ;) Gandalf: Anything in particular? I think he covered quite a bit in fair detail. Edit: However, after second thoughts, I don't think this is suited for an "introduction" to Java. Maybe a separate "intermediate java" tutorial, or so. ----------------------------------- rizzix Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:38 am Re: The Java Introduction: what's needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- I may also throw in a bit about Javadocs and how to take advantage of them, I think this is very important. I'm sure wtd agrees with this. I second this, btw. ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:52 am Re: The Java Introduction: what's needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- may also throw in a bit about Javadocs and how to take advantage of them, since I think that good documentation is key to being effective in a language with so many built in libraries. before I had no idea how to use Javadocs, I even bashed it on IRC, then recently I took another look and found them extremely helpful, it's a great idea for a tutorial on how to use ----------------------------------- shadowman544 Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:36 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- he does not lie he had this argument with me for like 2 weeks at the beginning of the semester ----------------------------------- andrew. Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:24 pm RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- I'm going to try to learn Java this summer and I would like to see how to get the user to input data (like get in Turing). I quickly went through the tutorial and it doesn't say how to do this. ----------------------------------- syntax_error Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:36 pm Re: RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- I'm going to try to learn Java this summer and I would like to see how to get the user to input data (like get in Turing). I quickly went through the tutorial and it doesn't say how to do this. scanner class. is what your looking for, and till some one makes a tut on it, just Google it you will get many many examples. ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:59 pm RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- there's many ways to do it: Scanner JOptionPane KeyEvent and I'm sure there's still plenty more ----------------------------------- tenniscrazy Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:09 am RE:The Java Introduction: what\'s needed/wanted? ----------------------------------- ugh. That's what gets so annoying, there are so many ways to do something, yet i can't get any of them to work Could we have a short section on the structure of java, just so it's easier to understand how to actually do things. Like how to implement different thing like input.