----------------------------------- Mackie Tue May 13, 2008 8:18 pm ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I know form the IRC that many folks around here aren't just interested in Computer Science, they are also interested in Computer Engineering. There have also been some discussions about a sub forum or category for hardware, and CompEng on CompSci.ca. Would anyone be interested in this? Or use it? ----------------------------------- syntax_error Tue May 13, 2008 8:21 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- why not just have it as a sub section of compsci? I dont think there is enough demand to create a whole new site no? ----------------------------------- Mackie Tue May 13, 2008 8:23 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I could of swore I just said that. Anyway I guess if we find out how much interest there is here we could see how large of a container we need for that community. I also forgot: I'm Interested. Interested People = 1 (so far) ----------------------------------- Dan Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Well compeng.ca is a great name but taken. I do not realy want to add yet another fourm to the site, epstaly one that is not computer sci related. Currently tony and i are thinking about a 2nd site that would have the users and some fourms like off topic linked between compsci.ca and it but it would also have it's own fourms realting to computer eng. If peoleop could post there options on this plan, or if they would be intrested in it, it could help motivate the project/plan in to realtitiy. ----------------------------------- Tony Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I've added a poll. Just throw in a vote to get some numbers going. Vote for tacos if you don't care. ----------------------------------- Clayton Tue May 13, 2008 8:52 pm Re: RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Well compeng.ca is a great name but taken. I do not realy want to add yet another fourm to the site, epstaly one that is not computer sci related. Currently tony and i are thinking about a 2nd site that would have the users and some fourms like off topic linked between compsci.ca and it but it would also have it's own fourms realting to computer eng. If peoleop could post there options on this plan, or if they would be intrested in it, it could help motivate the project/plan in to realtitiy. No opinions from me!! No? Okay, I like the idea, and I agree it's really just overkill to subdivide even more, but we need to make sure that this computer engineering forum would be truly visible. We don't want another FRC. ----------------------------------- rizzix Tue May 13, 2008 8:56 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Don't bother, there isin't much material on comp-eng (in compsci.ca) to instigate a creation of a sub-forum or a new website for that matter. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I have to agree with rizzix. If you want a new forum set up on a topic, start writing on that topic and get people interested. Or, here's an idea: contribute to Tony's blog with entries on that subject. ----------------------------------- rdrake Tue May 13, 2008 9:18 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Taco's winning :D But yes, I'll agree with the others that a sub forum would be the most sensible route to take. ----------------------------------- Mackie Tue May 13, 2008 9:21 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I say we completely remove the Graphics and Design section, and make room for CompEng. ----------------------------------- Asherel Tue May 13, 2008 9:25 pm Re: ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- No, I say just do as Dan and them suggested. 2nd site and have a link between them. Interested People = 2 or however many there are now. I'd be willing to post there and contribute :lol: ----------------------------------- haskell Wed May 14, 2008 12:58 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Computer Engineering is the bombdiggityfresh. That being said... Is there really anything worth posting about it? I mean, there isn't a whole lot of people who sit around and build computer systems and then program them... Therefore, its an impractical addition. ----------------------------------- nike52 Wed May 14, 2008 3:08 pm Re: ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- i like adding the compeng addition to the current compsci forum. Then we compsci ppl could see what's going on at the compeng party. ----------------------------------- apomb Wed May 14, 2008 11:24 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- from my experience, computer engineering is a loosely defined area of the computer/electronics spectrum. i think someone should outline exactly what "computer engineering" is, then maybe we'd have an idea of what to discuss in a forum on the subject. ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu May 15, 2008 4:25 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- It's the study of the lowest level of computer related stuff: understanding logic gates, prorogation delays, logic minimization, lower level hardware programming, FPGAs, flip-flops, digital circuits, RAMs, designing microcontrollers, etc. It's not vague, its really about digital logic and digital circuits, and there's a lot to it. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu May 15, 2008 4:30 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Though to be fair it's all a gradient anyway. A yet lower level of "computer related stuff" would be Electrical Engineering. Yes, they cover a bunch of circuits. They do some software programming as well. So there's certainly an overlap between CE and CS. Though each tends to be bias towards its own end of the spectrum. http://compsci.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/degrees_of_computer_science.png ----------------------------------- rizzix Thu May 15, 2008 4:38 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I guess, but to me compsci has always been about the theory, not so much about the actual tool: programming. Algorithm analysis, algorithm design, type systems, computational linguistics etc. That's the real compsci. Or at least the aspect of compsci that's fascinated me. ----------------------------------- haskell Thu May 15, 2008 6:20 pm RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Computer Engineering is applying computer systems to solve a problem. ----------------------------------- apomb Wed May 21, 2008 12:28 am Re: RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- It's the study of the lowest level of computer related stuff: understanding logic gates, prorogation delays, logic minimization, lower level hardware programming, FPGAs, flip-flops, digital circuits, RAMs, designing microcontrollers, etc. It's not vague, its really about digital logic and digital circuits, and there's a lot to it. I agree, however, Tony's explanation about it being a continuum is probably more accurate since what is taught in Schools as "Computer Engineering" and "Elecrical/Electronics Engineering" is frighteningly similar. I dont profess to be an expert in the field by any means, but there is no defined line between electrical/electronics/computer Engineering. I dont think you can really talk about one without the other, i guess is what im saying. ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed May 21, 2008 1:09 am RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- If you like his explanation go with it. However I've done a bit of comp-eng, its nothing like compsci. Sure there's programming in both of them. Sure there's a bit of algorithm analysis, etc. But that's about it, the rest is quite different. ----------------------------------- apomb Wed May 21, 2008 1:17 am RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I didnt say it was like compsci, i said it was like electrical engineering. ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed May 21, 2008 1:19 am RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Oh. I just skimmed through your post. But no, it's nothing like it. You do a bit of electrical stuff, but in the end comp-eng is more entertaining. :P I'm trying for a dual degree :P Edit: if you want a slightly more clearer explanation: Elec-eng talks about how the individual components work (mathematical models etc). Com-eng talks more about how to use them, i.e organization etc. Believe it or not, even after you so minutely study the individual components, you'd still have no idea how to use them :s However this is just the mirco-circuits side of elec-eng. There's more to it, like, electromagnetics: study of antennas, etc. ----------------------------------- apomb Wed May 21, 2008 1:41 am RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- Alright, well that is a pretty good explanation between the two now. Thank you for clarifying that. I am actually striving for a similar goal. Im interested in the individual components, as well as being abke to design something out of them, In my final year, I actually have a project-oriented semester where i will be designing and building a communications device. So yea i totally agree with you on the differences between the two subjects, but you can see where the distinction can be seen as blurry. ----------------------------------- rizzix Wed May 21, 2008 11:22 am RE:ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- I should restate that comp-eng does more with digital logic than elec-eng however, both comp-eng and elec-eng will teach you the skills to analyze any kind of circuit. ----------------------------------- MihaiG Wed May 21, 2008 11:32 am Re: ComEng.ca ----------------------------------- i never bothered replying but im for the idea