----------------------------------- StealthArcher Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:03 pm The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p262/StealthArcher/TuringInitiative.png Even with the current stagnation of the OpenT project, and my inability to help, I have coem up with a project for myself and anyone who wishes to join in. The Turing Initiative,dedicated to giving the language Turing, whether in 4.1.1 or opent, one last breath of air. It involves several partial projects, which include as below: TPhoTo: Contains: HBM Converter, Modules for format extension -Will contain the HBMConverter, hopefully finished it will be able to compress and encrypt all of your photo needs. -Modules added to facilitate easier picture use, as well as allow PNG format usage. TPainT: Program only -Fully functional paint image program, capable for full 24 bit color. -Hopefully with TPhoTo, will be able to save in png, as well as bmp, jpg, gif, and hbm. TNeT: Program -Probably impossible, but I'd like to try -Fully functional net browser compatible with XHTML and CSS. TGamE: Modules Classes and functional components. -Classes and modules for creation of games easier in method. -Allows expansion for extensions made by the user. TChesS: Program - Made with TGamE, both to show it's power, and capabilities of AI with turing, TDaTa: Program -Functional database program complete with wizards, and tables. (Don't say a word Mazer, or any other D&D players.) TRuby:Modules and Program -My most hopeful of the projects. -Fully functional basic ruby compiler in turing. -Complete with interactive ruby basics, hopefully teaching kids one language as they learn another. My way of helping, seeing as I cannot yet figure out compiler theory. ----------------------------------- Clayton Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:10 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Could you not think of something a bit more original for the names? This feels like so many other names that it makes me sick. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:12 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I will probably later, this is just a starting project. You yourselves even said you probably wouldn't stick with OPENT as a name. ----------------------------------- Tony Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:56 pm Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- -Fully functional basic ruby compiler in turing. The caveat to being turing complete is that it doesn't account for efficiency of either resources or effort. Can you think of a way to implement something like (1..100).inject(&:+) how about def learn(name, &block) self.class.send(:define_method, name, &block) end Just some interesting code sniplets I came across recently. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:16 am RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Well, I didn't say it would be the greatest compiler ever, just basics. However, if I could figure out how to add those...., hmmmm. ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:28 am RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- oh, and the thing is... Ruby is not compiled, it's interpreted. You could modify live code, runtime. self.class.send(:define_method, name, File::open("remote_file", "r").read) :) ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:31 am RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Isn't turing also interpreted though? Though I know modifying the code does not allow you to chage operation runtime. ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:09 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I'm sure I can help. Well see how much time I have. What do you want me to start on? ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:13 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Actually your gradient module was something I was going to ask for to put in TGamE(I KNOW I KNOW CLAYTON THE NAME SUCKS.). I hope to maybe even allow for basic 3d games once it's finished. (probably too hopeful, but my understanding of turing is better than a year ago.) ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:26 pm Re: RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Isn't turing also interpreted though? No. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:25 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- So it isn't interpreted, hmmm. Well, any ideas on how to implement it Tony? You know ruby far better than I do. ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:45 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Alright, so far on TNet (Name Suggestions?): All pretty much work. Although using more than one style tag still needs some work. It is currently 50 or so lines. And of course you can enter the desired address. I was sick today so I decided to get started. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:13 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Sweet stuff. As for the names I was going to do a mock version of 'tea' related names, just to bug Clayton. TNeT was going to be 'Steep'. :D As for the names changes, I've so far got: TRubY-Gleam TGamE-Toybox TPhoTo- Megapix TNeT- Don't know yet, was considering Ocean. TChesS- King's Guard TDaTa- Tony's Mind(not), I don't really know this one yet either. TPainT- eh... Braque maybe? I would do hitler, as his art was nice, but I think that would offend some people, and it would be illegal in germany. ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:39 pm Re: RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Alright, so far on TNet (Name Suggestions?): ... those tags are deprecated and should not be used. ----------------------------------- darkangel Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:54 pm Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Also, getting the tag to work will be hell, garenteed! lol Turing unfortunately can only send strings, ints, reals, booleans, etc. not data (which would be required for a picture) ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:00 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- But can it receive them? ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:04 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Don't be so sure about not getting pictures, I've got a plan for that. ;-) Although unsupported files in Turing like PNG... that's another story. I think StealthArcher has a plan for that in TPainT, So I'll leech off of that. @Tony There are two reasons why they should be implemented. There easy as a start, and a lot of people still use them. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:18 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Make sure to implemnt the now-relevant XHTML tags as well, we dont want this to be an internet explorer 6.... ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:50 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- We'll be lucky if it's IE6. :P ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:08 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- NOOOOO MACKIE! YOU MUST HAVE CONFIDENCE... AND...er...um Yeah sadly you're right, but we can always try. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:58 pm Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p262/StealthArcher/TuringInitiative-1.png Here's the updated version. TRubY now is Gleam TNeT is now the Ocean Internet Browser TGamE is now the Toybox TChess is now Kniggit(King) Guard TDaTa is now Datamaster TPhoTo is now Megapix TPainT is now Picoss If you still hate the names, I can attempt to change them again, they aren't necessary to be stuck yet. ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:06 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Much better. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:03 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Cervantes, if you look at this and are on, I'm wishing to us your text field class, like I did your button if I make some improvements I had in mind... Well, I downloaded the source for the libpng from the GNU project. I can only say one thing, If openT promises to up turing's speed, get it out ASAP, because putting in all this is gonna be one hell of a slowdown..... As well the only way I can think of for Alpa is one pixel at a time, so it will be slow too, as my HBM conveter, which I've tested RGB.SetColor+Draw.Dot extensively on, it takes about 12 seconds to draw a 400 by 500 image, not that good. BTW EDIT number 4.... Anyone feel up to redrawing the icons for King Guard, Datamaster, Picoss, and Toybox? Gleam, Ocean, and Megapix turned as as some of my best art, but those other four just suck. >_< ----------------------------------- Mackie Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:47 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I was working on a text field.. :P I figured I'd need one of my own for the special jobs it need to do in Ocean. Anyway, Updates! The original version of Ocean wasn't very well thought out. So I cut off the bottom 50 lines and started that again. With a much better plan this time. Also for anyone wanting to check out the latest releases of TInit's many projects. http://www.mackiedrew.com/tinit ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:43 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- If the idea of the Chess program is to show the "power, and capabilities of AI with Turing", then you chose the wrong game. To achieve reasonable strength of play a Chess AI requires a huge amount of calculations. You would have to implement every known search optimization and heuristic to get around what a basic alpha-beta would yield in something like C. Well, maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but not by much. ----------------------------------- syntax_error Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:55 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- waste such time on a logo and your product shall not be. ----------------------------------- Mackie Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:40 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- First version of Ocean is out on the FTP it won't load pages correctly like TNet did yet. But it's got a better backbone. I just don't have the mind right now to deal with that glitch. So I'm going to bed. ----------------------------------- Nick Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:42 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I tired TNet... it never did load google... it just lagged like hell after I typed the URL ----------------------------------- Mackie Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:51 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Hmm, it worked fine for me. It's development was so brief I never got to debug on other machines. EDIT: Just as a plus for anyone who joins this project here's what you get so far. An e-mail address @newprogramr.com with 200MB Storage Access to the project FTP with read/write privileges. Access to the Google Apps Group. (Currently Pending) This is all for organization. I know how ridiculous it gets trying to keep a project together. ----------------------------------- Sean Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:06 am Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I'll help out, Mackie drew me in. I have some knowledge of GUI and am able to code up some GUI things that you request. Let me know what you need, and I'll start. ----------------------------------- Mackie Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:45 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Well for buttons and text input were covered by Cervantes' classes. If you could do some work with scrolling that would be just peachy. :) What we need is a box that you can just throw stuff in, and scroll bars just happen. ----------------------------------- Mackie Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:13 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- What would be better? Downloading a Page into a file then reading the file over and over. Or just downloading the page right into memory. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:25 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Pend's if we ever plan to add in tabs, turing tends to be a memory muncher, what takes 10MB with GIMP can't be done in turing with my HBMC. ----------------------------------- Mackie Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:55 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Ah, well I didn't know what to do so I'm going to do both. The problem is that with all the GUI components being added in, and the window resizing actually working I need to start refresh the window rather than the initial load. I realize that downloading the page every millisecond isn't realistic. I'm planning to download the page, and store it in memory for now at least. Premature optimization is the root of all evil. ----------------------------------- Sean Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:58 pm Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- So, Mackie the project that you have assigned me to do is become more familliar with Scrolling, or is it to throw stuff into a certain box? ----------------------------------- Mackie Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:07 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- No I honestly just need a box I can through stuff in to scroll. :P But you don't need to do that. I was just thinking it would be useful. We have many thing that need to be done or finished on Ocean. If you want you could start another project too. I was thinking about getting a little done on Datamaster (Still needs a better name :P). It looks like it would be fun. Check out our Goals for v1.0.0.0 in the Ocean -> Documentation folder of the FTP. http://www.mackiedrew.com/tinit ----------------------------------- Sean Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:48 am Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Would an Excel type program, coded in Turing be useful? ----------------------------------- Mackie Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:31 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Alright my file browser is in Alpha now. It's just going to be a simple tool to select a file. I actually needed one for Ocean, so i figured meh? I'll go all the way. ----------------------------------- Mackie Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:48 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- By the way, the File Browser is functioning. http://compsci.ca/v3/viewtopic.php?p=156314 EDIT: We already have a ton of stuff in Turing that can handle raster images. I think It could be fun to make a program that can interprets and edits vectorized images. I was looking at an '.svg' in a text editor. It's human-readable. It makes things just that much easier. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:37 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Wow, I let this die much snax? Okayyy, had a long bout of depression (or something, dont ask cuz I have no clue), and felt like doing nothing for the past month+1/2 or so. I'll (hopefully) be putting Picoss Alpha V0.1 later tonight. So, uh, I IZ BAK? Hopefully, my posting and aid will become regular again as well, I fell off of visiting while I was down :D ----------------------------------- Sean Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:15 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Well, seems that Mackie is working on Ruby, but with this being revived, you may lure him back. ----------------------------------- Mackie Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:29 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Oh well the FTP is up still. I may still do some stuff here. Probably more tools and functions, I seem to enjoy making those better. The webbrowser is... Eeek... Anyway, since you missed it Stealth, here is a thread with released tools originally intended for Tinit. http://compsci.ca/v3/viewtopic.php?t=17531 http://www.mackiedrew.com/mackies_gui.png Could come in handy. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:27 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Most definitely. ----------------------------------- Sean Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:41 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Pfft. Mackie, remember to send me the project. I'll work on it soon enough, most likly tomorrow. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:45 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- You are continuing Mackies Ocean Beta? ----------------------------------- Sean Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:48 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- No, Mackie's Evolution Program. I think he is planning on doing that. However, if I ever finish this program of his, it could be added onto your Initiative. ----------------------------------- Mackie Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:01 am RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Just to show I am working: var ColorPicker : nat1 := Window.Open ("offscreenonly,nobuttonbar,graphics:370;140,title:Color") var font : int := Font.New ("arial:14") var Red, Green, Blue : nat1 := 255 var mouseX, mouseY, mouseB : int var buttonActive : boolean := false function CalculateColor (startColor, endColor : int, ratio : real) : int var startRed, startGreen, startBlue, endRed, endGreen, endBlue : real RGB.GetColour (startColor, startRed, startGreen, startBlue) RGB.GetColour (endColor, endRed, endGreen, endBlue) var Red : real := startRed * ratio + endRed * (1 - ratio) var Green : real := startGreen * ratio + endGreen * (1 - ratio) var Blue : real := startBlue * ratio + endBlue * (1 - ratio) RGB.SetColor (110, Red, Green, Blue) result 110 end CalculateColor procedure gradientBox (x1, y1, x2, y2, startColor, endColor : int) for i : x1 .. x2 - 1 Draw.Line (i, y1, i, y2, CalculateColor (endColor, startColor, (i - x1) / abs (x2 - x1))) end for end gradientBox function scroll (mouseX, mouseY, mouseB, x, y, width, height, default, Color : int) : nat1 gradientBox (x, y, x + width, y + height, 112, 111) Draw.Box (x, y, x + width, y + height, black) Draw.FillOval (default + x, y + height div 2, 3, 8, Color) Draw.Oval (default + x, y + height div 2, 3, 8, black) if mouseX > x and mouseX < x + width and mouseY > y and mouseY < y + height and mouseB = 1 then result mouseX - x end if result default end scroll loop Mouse.Where (mouseX, mouseY, mouseB) % Color Display Draw.FillBox (10, maxy - 100, 100, maxy - 10, 111) Draw.Box (10, maxy - 100, 100, maxy - 10, black) % Scrollbars RGB.SetColor (111, 0, Green, Blue) RGB.SetColor (112, 1, Green, Blue) Red := scroll (mouseX, mouseY, mouseB, 110, 105, 255, 20, Red, brightred) RGB.SetColor (111, Red, 0, Blue) RGB.SetColor (112, Red, 1, Blue) Green := scroll (mouseX, mouseY, mouseB, 110, 75, 255, 20, Green, brightgreen) RGB.SetColor (111, Red, Green, 0) RGB.SetColor (112, Red, Green, 1) Blue := scroll (mouseX, mouseY, mouseB, 110, 45, 255, 20, Blue, brightblue) RGB.SetColor (111, Red, Green, Blue) %---------- % OK button if buttonActive and mouseB = 0 then buttonActive := false exit end if RGB.SetColor (110, 0.95, 0.94, 0.91) if mouseX > 310 and mouseX < 368 and mouseY > 2 and mouseY < 28 then if mouseB = 1 then buttonActive := true RGB.SetColor (110, 0.87, 0.87, 0.81) else buttonActive := false RGB.SetColor (110, 0.95, 0.94, 0.84) end if end if Draw.FillBox (310, 2, 368, 28, 110) Draw.Box (310, 2, 368, 28, black) Draw.Box (310, 2 + 1, 368 - 1, 28, black) Draw.Text ("Ok", 327, 10, font, black) %------------ View.Update delay (5) Draw.Cls end loop Window.Close (ColorPicker) It's still crude, but pretty could for an hours work. Hopefully turning it into a function like the file browser. I'm currently optimizing, and adding new features, including being able to return colors. Might be useful, for color selection in the graphics programs. More tools to come... ----------------------------------- Clayton Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:38 am RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Just a quick thing: Be consistent with your method/variable names. Some are starting with capital letters, and others aren't (in both cases). Stick to one style, (preferably lower case names) so that your codes is easier to read, and use. ----------------------------------- StealthArcher Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:49 am Re: The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- Currently my style somewhat follows Tony's: variableName COnstant(yes, first two letters Caps, weird, bet it's my own) Procedure FunctioN ObjEct (two letters caps, beginning and middle) When I do Program in C++ braces are on the same line as the declaration. ----------------------------------- Mackie Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:02 pm RE:The Turing Initiative ----------------------------------- I copyed from old code on this, so my naming conventions proabably are far off. I'll go back and change them now.