----------------------------------- McKenzie Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:20 pm Python Exercises ----------------------------------- I assume that if you are looking in the Python Tutorial section you are interested in learning Python. There are a number of great Python tutorials out there, the problem is simply reading them and trying a few little scripts is not enough to really learn Python. The best way to learn something is by doing it. Here are a collection of exercises that I give to my grade 11 students. Keep in mind that most of my students start with no background whatsoever, so if you already know how to program then the early exercises will be very simple. I would suggest doing them anyways. The more problems you do the better ingrained the syntax of the language will become. In my class work comes in the form of exercises, assignments and projects. Exercises are problems that we simply take up in class, but are not marked. If you really want more work I can make my assignments and projects available, but the exercises should be good enough to teach the language fundamentals. ----------------------------------- Nick Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:18 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- I learn best through exercises so for this I thank you +10 bits ----------------------------------- SIXAXIS Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:52 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Thanks. P.S. You teach Python in grade 11? Our school teaches Java instead. ----------------------------------- BigBear Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- My school only teaches turing? I wonder why... ----------------------------------- Mackie Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Awesome stuff. +30 bits ----------------------------------- McKenzie Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:17 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Why Turing/Java/Python in grade 11? The choice of language for grade 11 is something I assume most schools take fairly seriously. I've been teaching 13 years and every year I review my choice of languages and ask myself if they are the best choices. I assume I'm not alone in this. Every language has Pros and Cons. Despite what you might think or hear around here I believe Turing is still a solid language in grade 11. It's a small language, so it is easy to learn almost all of the commands in one year and focus on imperative problem solving. It's a fun language to program in that makes graphics very easy to use. Turing does have a number of problems. It not being used outside of the Ontario Education system is probably the biggest. The next biggest is that the object-oriented syntax feels like it was awkwardly tacked on. I think most schools that teach Java in grade 11 do so because they want to use the same language for gr 11 and 12 so they can get past talking about syntax and focus on key concepts. I can't imagine many teachers feeling that Java is a great starter language, but in the big picture I understand their choice. Why Java in grade 12? Lots of reasons. AP CS is in Java, universities use Java quite a bit (yes I know about Waterloo and Scheme) I don't know of any other schools teaching Python in grade 11, but I wouldn't be shocked to find one. I chose Python for a number of reasons. It is a language that is actually being used. It has syntax that is about as easy to pick up as Turing. I'm hoping the object-oriented nature of it will allow a better transition to Java in grade 12. I'm someone who likes to have different languages each year to force students to be more adaptable and to realize that most computer concepts/algorithms transcend the language they use. I debated long and hard between Python and Ruby, but decided on Python based on the strength of pygame, and the relative maturity of the community. Most students like to do a game for their final project so pygame was very important to me. Please don't annoy/harass your teachers about their choice of programming languages, but a long as you approach them from a point of view of genuinely wanting to know why they teach language X, and have they considered language Y most teachers will be very honest with you. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:35 am Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Why Turing/Java/Python in grade 11? The choice of language for grade 11 is something I assume most schools take fairly seriously. I've been teaching 13 years and every year I review my choice of languages and ask myself if they are the best choices. I assume I'm not alone in this. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption. You seem an uncommonly conscientious teacher. The fact that you come here and interact with students in your free time demonstrates that quite well. ----------------------------------- McKenzie Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:24 am Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- It's not an accurate assumption, but it is a safe one. If kids assume that their school is teaching language X because it's all they know, or those are the books they have then if they talk to their teacher will be more likely to come off with an arrogant attitude. If they start with the assumption that the language choices were made for good reasons then ask what they are then they will come off with respect. No matter how good or bad your teacher is, respect goes a long way. Assume the best of people, if they prove you wrong, so be it. In they old system I used to teach gr 11 - Turing gr 12 - C OAC - C++ Every year I would have one or two arrogant kids in gr 11 ask why can't we learn a real language like C, and at the same time I would have good grade 12 kids fighting to learn basic C syntax and missing the "good-ol-days" of Turing. Even this year, teaching Python, I've had a kid look down their nose at Python and say we should be learning C++ instead. Not that he knew anything about C++ to make that call, just the basic assumption that no matter what we are doing it's not good enough for him. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:36 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- It was meant more as a compliment than as a way of denigrating your peers. Still, I can understand where you're coming from. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:25 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- From unit 2.5: i = 0 while i < 10: n = i ** 2 if i % 2 == 0: print n I could be mistaken, but is this not an infinite loop, as nothing updates i? ----------------------------------- McKenzie Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:34 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Oh, I never claimed they were perfect. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:30 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Constructive criticism. :-) I'm a big fan of release early and realease often and constantly revising. But that only works if people are annoying and point out bugs. ----------------------------------- swami Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:54 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Yea, at my school we learned the basics of Turing in grade 10 and went more in depth in grade 11. Now in grade 12 we are learning Python. Last year in grade 12 students learned Java. My teacher is deciding to teach something new and introduce a language that he himself dose not fully know yet. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:02 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- If he fully understood Java then he'd be quite a marvel, wouldn't he? ;) ----------------------------------- A.J Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:05 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Thanks Mckenzie! I didn't intend to learn Python, but now if I want to, I can :D! ----------------------------------- Aziz Tue May 06, 2008 11:58 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Python's got a good tutorial on their site for those who are already familiar with programming. Its fast and in-depth. And while I really liked my own high school CS (much better than most of my college ones), I wish he would have had the interest for it as you do, McKenzie. Do you have any advanced python examples? I've got the attachment, but I'm at work so I can't look at it too much. (BTW, did you know a Mr. Nehmetellah that taught there (I think)? He was my CommTech teacher a couple years ago at Cardinal Carter) ----------------------------------- McKenzie Tue May 06, 2008 7:41 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- There are a number of good tutorials out there, but I find where most of them lacking is interesting assignments/exercises to challenge the reader and force them to apply what they have just read. It is by doing that you learn. You will find no advanced examples in the attachment. I have a bunch if you are interested, but I find basic examples are better. They allow you to focus on just one issue at a time. (aside, I taught with Mr. N. for one year. I didn't know him very will but he seemed cool to me) ----------------------------------- taylankaraman Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:55 am Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Thanks McKenzie! The exercises are great. Greetings from Turkey! :D ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:53 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- k ive got a little questionn...i wanna know if my answer to the very first question on unit 2.1 is SUFFICIENT [code] x=123 print x*3.14*2 [/code] by your standerds if it is sufficientt it answers the question...but...still...doesnt seem like enough to me..... ----------------------------------- Zeroth Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:23 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Thats it. With Python, sometimes it seems like it makes programming TOO easy. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:03 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- thats what makes it perfect for beginners :D x=123 print x*3.14*2 r = input("Radius: ") print " " print"The area of your cirlce is: " print r*r*3.14 c=input ("How much Canadian dollars you have: ") print " " print "You will have ", c*1.6156, " Euros after your money has been converted" c=raw_input ("First name: ") r=raw_input ("Last Name: ") print " " print r,",", c McKenzie can you tell me if my answers are OK? ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:07 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- not ok. Whitespace is your friend. So are proper variable names. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:23 pm Re: RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- That is not ok. Whitespace is your friend. So are proper variable names. its just 4 lines of coding...is there rlly a need for proper variable names? its not that bad...it doesnt nessesscarily make the code BAD and whitespace? btw...this is the question Gets the user?s first and last name and outputs them in reverse order with a comma between them. also...what do you think about the OTHER codes? ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:34 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- Yes, there really (vowels are your friend as well, use them ;) ) is a need to make your code easy to read and understand. A 4 line function within a 10,000 line application is arguably still "just 4 lines of code". If there are some terms that you don't understand, learn how to look them up quickly. I have keyboard shortcuts to Google, Wikipedia, and a Dictionary. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:42 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- [code] firstpx=input ("First point's x coordinate: ") firstpy=input ("First point's y coordinate: ") print " " secondpx=input ("Second point's x coordinate: ") secondpy=input ("Second point's y coordinate: ") print " " print "First point: ","(", firstpx,",",firstpy,")" print "Second point: ","(",secondpx,",",secondpy,")" print " " print "Distance: ""(",firstpx-secondpx,",",firstpy-secondpy,")" [/code] there...are the new variables better now Tony? satisfied? :P woops i just realized this is a different code :P o well....btw...how would you make it that when the Distance comes up...the numbers only go as far as 2 decimal places....???? ----------------------------------- Alexmula Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:14 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- use the round function ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:57 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- ya unluckily i dont know what that is......someone else told me it was %f"x" but i thought it was like round(something something) ----------------------------------- Alexmula Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:50 am RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- python.org has an online manual.. you can also try typing "print help()" in IDLE i think it you can also get help there and yes there is a round function: round(x[n]) :lol: x being the number u want to round and n the number of decimal places i believe ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:17 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- dont worry im dont that question in the exercises now ^^ i even did introEx6...im in 2.2 questions now :D unluckily for me...i dont know anything bout these: - Concatenation (+) - Multiplication (*) - Slices - Escape sequences - len() - String Methods upper lower find replace count ya...so its gonna be a bit hard for me... i feel somewhat proud?:P doing grade 11 exercises :D lol they're easy exercises tho(in the beginning)...i seriously wish they had advanced math and like computer science in middle school...like an option for those things middle school teaches how to use movie maker :P lol ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:12 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- k ive got a little questionn...i wanna know if my answer to the very first question on unit 2.1 is SUFFICIENT Again, get into the habit of using whitespace. [code]x = 123 print x * 3.14 * 2 [/code] ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:23 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- k thanks wtd :D i kno its a habit of not using whitespace because well....when you write math...you wouldnt use whitespace :P ----------------------------------- Aziz Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:02 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- You're what, in grade 10, I assume? Grade 10 math may not need to be organized (though don't you do quadratics?), but it's really an important part to organize when solving complex problems/equations ----------------------------------- saltpro15 Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:26 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- grade 10 math varies for neatness, some teachers don't care how messy your work is as long as it's correct, whereas the pickier ones take marks off if say equal signs don't line up, work is smudged, etc. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:36 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- haha grade 10....no of course not...id be much more competent by then...im only in grade 8 :P ----------------------------------- Aziz Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:45 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- It's not so much about marks as it is your own benefit. And grade 8, HOLY CRAP, that's a yougin'. Keep it up, bro... in grade 8 I knew I wanted to be a programmer, but I didn't start until grade 10 in high school. Just keep an open mind and listen to what people here tell you, you'll do good. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:58 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- lol trust me...im like a noob compared to some peoples in my school :P my friend was scripting since the age of 7...and DANM he knows a hell lot...has learned like 6 languages :P no more i think unluckily for him he needs to improve in other academic parts like even though hes really good with computers...he needs to work on things like english and other stuff... ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:12 pm Re: RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- you'd be surprised how important things like English will turn out to be, even in a technical field with computers. has learned like 6 languages You might find this interesting -- http://compsci.ca/blog/you-dont-know-that-programming-language/ article + some discussion in the comments ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:17 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- still...his UNDERSTANDING of the languages and of computer science could definitely be considered "greatly above average" ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:17 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- I have no doubt about that. ----------------------------------- Sniper4Life Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:19 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- btw tony since your here can i ask u sumthing? what grade in waterloo are you in? ----------------------------------- Tony Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:43 pm RE:Python Exercises ----------------------------------- my transcript says 2B. And this has gotten way off topic. ----------------------------------- bill9786 Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:06 pm Re: Python Exercises ----------------------------------- "I don't know of any other schools teaching Python in grade 11, but I wouldn't be shocked to find one." Have a look at this site - the University of Sydney runs a python challenge for high schools kids in years 9 - 12 - beginners and advanced - over a five week period every year. I teach it as an 'antidote' to Visual Basic Express. http://challenge.ncss.edu.au.