----------------------------------- HeavenAgain Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:06 pm Alice ----------------------------------- Recently i heard my computer science teacher saying something about the new program called Alice, and i heard a lot of high school are using this program as an introduction to prgramming, becuase it is easy to understand, and have some sort of connection to OOP. what do you have to say about this? :roll: i personally think its a bit of wasting time for a grade 12 class to spend 2 monthish on this.... ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:01 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- For grade 12? Are you serious? From the description Alice addresses the specific needs of the subpopulation of middle school girls I think the decision to use it for a senior computer science class should be questioned. At least it appears to be open source... ----------------------------------- Mazer Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:16 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- I think I've seen a video about this... someone jump in and correct me if need be, but there was an example in which a figure skater was added to a scene and rotated? At least, that video was the first thing that jumped to my mind at "drag-and-drop" and "on-screen 3D virtual objects". Didn't rizzix link it a while back? EDIT: Anyways, yeah, not terribly impressed myself. I'd much rather hear about schools picking from the crapload of freely available and popular interpreted languages with support for messing with lists and stuff. ----------------------------------- rizzix Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:40 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- Mazer: Yea I did. For grade 12? Are you serious? From the description Alice addresses the specific needs of the subpopulation of middle school girls I think what they're trying to say here, is that Alice address the interest in both girls and guys. They conjecture that introductory CS classes are usually designed as just a guys thing. ----------------------------------- iluvchairs112 Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:07 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- as a girl, I'd like to say that I don't find Alice all that great. I haven't used it much but the year before I took computer science, they used it, and I used it a bit in my comp sci class just for fun. at least with Turing you get the basics of programming; I learned that the first year in comp sci and it was useful but I learned Java next and that was probably the best to learn but yeah Alice doesn't really help out at all, unless you're going into gaming and need to figure out graphics and stuff ----------------------------------- HeavenAgain Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:48 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- well, this is my 2nd week of using Alice, and what i noticed is it lets you learn OOP without knowing creating method for each object and theres a perfence function which have java style syntax other than those, it just let you be creative with some simple graphic its great for introduction, but for grade 12, i think of it as a waste of time i hope they wont do this to any grade 12s, ever again........... ----------------------------------- CodeMonkey2000 Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:55 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- Alice sounds just as bad a VB imo. What's wrong with Ruby as an introductory language? Ps. I still haven't met a female who is interested in compsci. ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:28 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- CodeMonkey - you need to [url=http://focs.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/more-women-in-computer-science/]get out more ----------------------------------- jamonathin Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:20 pm Re: RE:Alice ----------------------------------- CodeMonkey - you need to yeah tony, those chicks are straight up babes! But on a more serious note there are several, and i was quite surprised myself when i saw my class in first year. The ratio is a little more male in second year university, but those are just my classes. ----------------------------------- Mazer Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:42 am Re: RE:Alice ----------------------------------- CodeMonkey - you need to yeah tony, those chicks are straight up babes! But on a more serious note there are several, and i was quite surprised myself when i saw my class in first year. The ratio is a little more male in second year university, but those are just my classes. No, you see, the larger number of girls (hell, the larger number of anyone) you saw in first year was actually just a crapload of math and perhaps business students who are expected to take 60-140 (and of these, some need to take 60-141) as well. Female enrollment in CS is pretty ridiculously low. ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:28 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- all the chicks in CS usually take CS as a highschool course (which is still few) have fun and never touch CS again with a 50 foot pole... ----------------------------------- HeavenAgain Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:01 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- Alice is not something just for the girls, but i guess, it can show that programming its not as boring and dull it sounds and that might lead to more girls taking the course but the point im trying to make here, is that teaching Alice for grade 12 class............ its just like teaching grade 12 how to do addition and subtraction again ----------------------------------- haskell Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:54 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- Think objectively people. Objectively If you wish to raise awareness, how do you do it? You give the people exactly what they were expecting/wanted. I bet quite a few people sign-up into CS in high school as a light course, and hope to maybe create a game or work with graphics or something with their code. If you give them that, more people will show up who like this. The higher volume of people will cause CS to become popular, and then they can go to the Haskell we all know and love. What I mean, before someone starts using their deductive reasoning and getting the message ALL wrong, is that they are trying to get more people interested. I mean, we need more Computer Scientists and Engineers. And the best way, if the Armed Forces has taught us anything, to get people to sign up is with propaganda. So, you give then Alice, and watch them spread the word about how great the class is. Then you can get your real CS class ;). ----------------------------------- Zampano Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:24 pm Re: RE:Alice ----------------------------------- all the chicks in CS usually take CS as a highschool course (which is still few) have fun and never touch CS again with a 50 foot pole... You said 'chicks' . . . You are badass! *gives thumbs up* I'd like to look at this deeper, as I expect my school might utilize Alice eventually. I don't know why they would, as Turing is friendly to both male and female starters, but this is the same high school with Math Circus 1-5 hidden discreetly in the most obscure of directories: when such a level of madness is reached, anything can happen . . . ----------------------------------- iluvchairs112 Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:38 pm Re: RE:Alice ----------------------------------- Alice sounds just as bad a VB imo. What's wrong with Ruby as an introductory language? Ps. I still haven't met a female who is interested in compsci. Hey CodeMonkey - meet me - a female - who is interested in compsci! Although I am the only girl in my computer science class right now ... lol ----------------------------------- Nick Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:45 pm RE:Alice ----------------------------------- lmao nice i had 2 chicks in my class last year plus i know a couple in it this year although i have compsci next semester... its always nice to have girls in the room rather than a room completely filled with guys... glad to have ya 'round :P ----------------------------------- iluvchairs112 Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:21 am RE:Alice ----------------------------------- yeah there are definitely a limited number of girls into computer science ... oh well ya get used to it, in my comp engineering class next semester I know there is one other girl, which will be nice for a change