----------------------------------- BenLi Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:21 pm Taboo: java? ----------------------------------- I'm starting to get into java and has recently noticed the lack of activity in the java forum. I've been around long enough to know that many of you know java. So why doesn't anybody actually post here? ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:34 pm ----------------------------------- Same thing as Turing I guess, just without the dozens of new users each day looking to get their homework done, and without any interested regular posters. Guess wtd's Java Sucksâ„¢ campaign had some sort of an effect. :) Personally, I don't mind Java, but meh, I'm learning a bit more of Ruby at the moment. Same as with Turing, if something pops up and I have something to say, I will reply, but otherwise like I said, meh. ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:01 am ----------------------------------- Whether you consider this good or bad... Java is a boring language. There is absolutely nothing interesting about Java technologically, nor is there anything particularly appealing about it from a pedagogical perspective. When I deal with Java, it is purely out of necessity, or my desire to help. I wrote my Introduction to Java because I know that people will continue learning Java regardless of my feelings about it, and that if they are going to, they might as well learn it well. ----------------------------------- gsquare567 Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:31 pm ----------------------------------- !!! you guys r supposed to be total pros with programming!!! javas in the rising... its speed is being upgraded, and it has much better security than C++... in fact... C++ has no security. the java team updates the language every week and its so much easier to learn than the other high-capability programming languages. wtf is ruby? and wtd... what r you learning thats so much better than java... cuz if its C++, your not gonna go far widdit. anyways, do what you want, but you totally discouraged any1 from learning java and thats not right, because its much better and easier than C++ or any other language. just a few words... ----------------------------------- ericfourfour Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:16 pm ----------------------------------- No one is discouraging anyone from using Java. wtd only stated why Java was not a good language. He didn't tell people not to program with it. And he is entitled to his own opinion so I don't see anything wrong. However, your post discourages me from it. It makes me think that Java is for people who can't capitalize their sentences and people who use the word "cuz" because it's 4 less characters. You even have the nerve to put down Ruby. If your going to put down a programming language make it Turing. Also, c++ has security or else it would not be used in the industry (I'm sure more people can tell you about this topic). Finally, I believe c++ is extremely easier than Java. (Making buffered readers never seemed too appealing to me). Also, Java is no better than any programming language. All programming languages have a better way of handling a problem (I'm sure wtd can tell you more about this topic). ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:23 pm ----------------------------------- I did not say Java is a good language or a bad language. Not in this thread, anyway. What I did say is that it's boring. It brings nothing interesting to the table. For those of us who are enthusiastic about programming languages, this is very much a bad thing. As such, we cannot generate any sincere enthusiasm for Java. Disclaimer: I am discussing Java the language. See my Introduction to Java for why this distinction is important. ----------------------------------- rdrake Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:45 pm ----------------------------------- wtf is ruby?A ruby is a shiny gem obtained by digging into the Earth. These were once pure atoms until the crushing forces of the Earth formed it into a gem and pushed it upwards. They are often found in jewellery. For more information on the subject, please feel free to visit [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby]Wikipedia. ----------------------------------- Dan Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:52 pm ----------------------------------- The way this site works is that it is a comunity and as such the sections that get the most antention are thos that are most popualr or needed in the comunity. As this site is one of the few if any that has help for turing, the turing section gets the most useage. Simpley put demand for a section makes it amount of content go up. Personaly i whould not say that the quality of the section is low, there are good tutorals and help question in the java section there are just not a large quanity of them. If you find that this section needs more quanity or quality feal free to start righting tutorals or even simpley asking good questions will improve it. As a comunity it is not up to one or two peoleop to be constaly helping everyone and making all the tutorals but there should be sharing between every one. Every one asking questions, everyone helping and everyone contrubinting in what they can (idealy any how). It is all about learning. Also to gsquare567, we are not sposted to be total pros we are peoleop who whont to learn about programing and help others to do the same. All progaming langues have somthing to teach us in my option even if some have more functioanaly then others. There is no one best progaming langue and a good progamer should know that you can not be limited to just one and that it is about the consecpts and underlining ideas and not about the syntext. In addtion you should be more respectfull of peoleop on this forum esptaily when you seem to be a realtivey new poster and staments like yours should at least try to back up there claims. In short, if you do not like the quality or quanity of a section fix it. wtd is a great example of how a member of our comunity can exapened every ones knwogale to new langues and conespets by conrubiting to place where we where lacking. Thanks to him we have new sections and many many new tutorals that teach many peoleop about progmaing. edit: to clear the topic up even more i do not dislike java at all. In fact i aucatly rather like java dispite some of the vaild complates by wtd (not that he is saying java is bad either). However i also like other progaming langues and learning new ones witch helps us devlop new skils and ideas. ----------------------------------- batman Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:01 pm Java ----------------------------------- Yo, Im getting in too java right now and stopping turing. Turing was awesome but you can't go past a certain point with turing due to the lack of colours (256) and other things. Since ive worked a lot with java and am continuing to work with java, im going to bring it back to life!!!!!!! if anyones has any questions about java problems post them and ill attempt to answer them all!!!! :D ----------------------------------- ericfourfour Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:49 pm ----------------------------------- Turing has many more than 256 colours. The ones to which you refer are predefined. I assume Turing has all of the colours you will ever need. Also, why not program in both? I program in Java and c++ but go back to Turing sometimes because of its simplicity when dealing with graphics. ----------------------------------- Andy Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:11 pm ----------------------------------- finally, I believe c++ is extremely easier than Java. (Making buffered readers never seemed too appealing to me). you clearly do not know c++ very well. ----------------------------------- ericfourfour Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:53 pm ----------------------------------- you clearly do not know c++ very well. I guess I don't (maybe "extremely" was the wrong word). I said that because in school we do simple stuff and when I compare it to c++ it seems like there is much more to memorize in Java. To get input it is much more work than std::cin