----------------------------------- Ninja Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:29 pm Directx or OpenGl? ----------------------------------- hey guys, i wanted to look into 3d game programming using OpenGl and or dx(9).I am planning to go into game programming as a specialization when i go to university next year so i just wanted to look over some opengl,dx programming in C\C++..so what do you guys suggest.From what i know and what i have been told, since games are made primarily for windows environments, the developers use DX programming rather then OpenGL.I just wanted to know what you guys think because i dont wanna go and get books for the wrong topic lol, but i guess it can't hurt if i do OpenGl :-D..thanks in advance. EDIT: slightly off-topic, but related to game programming.What books would you guys suggest/recommend me getting from the following list, or if you know any other, that would be greatly appreciated: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-3884793-7818409?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=beginning+game+programming Thanks again :-D..its just that our school's compisc (java) is going SOO slow i want to do some programming on my own on the side :-D ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:34 pm ----------------------------------- Well, I applaud your initiative, but OpenGL and DirectX are both Big and Scary(tm). You can learn a lot on your own without jumping straight into the deep end. :) ----------------------------------- md Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:45 pm ----------------------------------- Almost certainly no University specializes in games, maybe graphics or something, but that wouldn't be until upper years. And usually you don't learn APIs like OpenGL or DirectX until after you do it all from scratch. I'd learn OpenGL if you really want to learn something though. ----------------------------------- Ninja Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:12 pm ----------------------------------- Thanks for the reply guys :-D, i think i will go with OpenGl first as its "less-complicated" according to my friends.But one argument, arent most games made in directX?..since games are primarily windows architecture based, but either way..OpenGL or directX, they both require understanding of programming fundamentals, geometry,and a LOT of math, lol, but im willing to learn all that my brain can handle :P, im just geting boored of my java class so im doing something "fun" on the side :-D..its either extra programming, or playing WoW (not anymore but just saying) or doing anatomy, and i rather do anything then do anatomy lol ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:47 pm ----------------------------------- Read can definately make Windows games. They are both, as wtd said, hard to learn and intimidating for the beginner. That said, I'd try SDL first, which will give you a slightly smoother introduction to graphics APIs. ----------------------------------- Douglas Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:17 pm ----------------------------------- Keep in mind that video game programming isn't all about the graphics, and a good knowledge of programming in general is just as helpful. If you're interested, though, you might try checking out current Open Source projects, like [url=http://www.tremulous.net/]Tremulous or [url=http://stratagus.sourceforge.net/]Stratagus. If you're learning OpenGL, the Getting Started FAQ at Open GL [url=http://www.opengl.org/resources/faq/technical/gettingstarted.htm]here might help. Also, a comparison of OpenGL and Direct3D [url=http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article1775.asp]here Lastly, there's a program at McMaster in [url=http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/cas/gamer/]Software Engineering and Game Design if you haven't heard of it already. ----------------------------------- wtd Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:20 pm ----------------------------------- good knowledge of programming in general is just as helpful Couldn't have said it better myself. ----------------------------------- md Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:59 pm ----------------------------------- I would argue that knowing graphics is less important then anything else. You can have a great game with mediocre graphics, it's the idea behind teh game that counts. For example Defcon ("Everybody dies", such a great line) uses very simple graphics, and yet it seems like it's a great game. ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:38 pm ----------------------------------- read up about directX and openGL on wikipedia. directX is more popular amounst games (targeting windows os of course), while openGL is used in most applications. ----------------------------------- Ninja Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:31 pm ----------------------------------- read up about directX and openGL on wikipedia. directX is more popular amounst games (targeting windows os of course), while openGL is used in most applications. true, so its good to learn both i guess, or should i say i eventually have to learn both lol.But should i start with OpenGL as it is apparently "easier", or does it matter? ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:40 pm ----------------------------------- Ultimately it's up to you, but I'll say again here's the priorities I would put on learning the various APIs: 1. SDL 2. OpenGL (as a sort of extension of SDL) 3. DirectX ----------------------------------- Mr. Gruntsworthy Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:45 am ----------------------------------- So you're walking down the same road I am... Im learning C++ right now too, though not from a class, im learning it on my own. I'm going through the beginnings of DirectX right now, because thats what my textbook is using for the sample games. So, what are the differences between Java and C++ (the important ones)? ----------------------------------- wtd Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:43 am ----------------------------------- So, what are the differences between Java and C++ (the important ones)? The differences are many, both superficial and complex, and in writing complex apps, they are all important, as they all represent potential pitfalls. ----------------------------------- Mr. Gruntsworthy Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:06 pm ----------------------------------- Okay, but if i learn one (like C++ as i am now), will that give me a good head start on the other? ----------------------------------- Andy Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:30 pm ----------------------------------- dx10 ftw! but seriously. directx isnt that bad... it might seem harder than ogl, but it just needs some getting used to ----------------------------------- Mazer Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:11 pm ----------------------------------- Wasn't it just a month ago when you were telling me how much you hated DX? :) I can't speak for how easy/difficult DirectX is, but I can say that that isn't necessarily the reason why people choose OpenGL over it. I speak mainly of crossplatform programming. ----------------------------------- Andy Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:21 pm ----------------------------------- that was when i was learning it heh.. i admit, dx is a pain in the ass to learn, especially with no prior ogl experience. but it's worth it. ----------------------------------- Mr. Gruntsworthy Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:21 pm ----------------------------------- I will probably end up learning both. ----------------------------------- wtd Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:27 pm ----------------------------------- Gain a comprehensive understanding of the C++ language first, if such is your goal. And yes, there is a great deal to learn before ever touching anything graphics-related. ----------------------------------- Mr. Gruntsworthy Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:45 pm ----------------------------------- Yes, i know, i am currently reading through a 1150 page text book with size 10 font... its a C++ primer