----------------------------------- Andy Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:54 am Think mac users are safe from hackers and viruses? ----------------------------------- [url=http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Mac_OS_X_hacked_in_less_than_30_minutes/0,2000061744,39241748,00.htm]Think Different. ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:29 pm ----------------------------------- Yes, Mac users everywhere should trade in their Macs for Windows boxes because of this. ----------------------------------- Andy Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:42 pm ----------------------------------- that wasnt my point, my point was mac users should stop bashing windows users so much about the whole security issue ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:54 pm ----------------------------------- Yes, well... the problem with that is that they aren't. The people complaining about Windows security problems are people who have to use Windows. Mac users who don't also fit into that group don't give Windows security issues much thought. And there are fundamental reasons why Mac OS X is significantly more secure than Windows. ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:06 pm ----------------------------------- Oh, and this article has already been discredited. There is no root account in Mac OS X (by default). There is no way to "root" a Mac server unless the administrator has deliberately crippled security. The security vulnerabilities being mentioned are largely vulnerabilities in third party software. If PHP has some vulnerability, and a site being hosted on a Mac gets hosed because of it, does that mean the Mac is not secure? ----------------------------------- md Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:06 pm ----------------------------------- root can also refer to gaining root level priviledges... The point is that OS X is secure only because it is obscure (ish). It has it's flaws just like everything else; they are simply not nearly as well publisized. I think the real point is that no matter what OS your using if you don't take some care to keep it secure it won't be. ----------------------------------- Andy Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:47 pm ----------------------------------- couldnt have said it better than you cornflakes.. but anyways, the article was biased.. read [url=http://test.doit.wisc.edu/]here ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:17 pm ----------------------------------- root can also refer to gaining root level priviledges... The point is that OS X is secure only because it is obscure (ish). It has it's flaws just like everything else; they are simply not nearly as well publisized. I think the real point is that no matter what OS your using if you don't take some care to keep it secure it won't be. I agree mostly, though not that it's only reason for being secure is obscurity. The thing I take issue with is people taking this and saying, "Aha! Macs are just as bad as Windows!" That is a blatant lie. ----------------------------------- md Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:17 pm ----------------------------------- I agree. Macs aren't as bad as windows, but that does not mean they are not bad. If I were to rate OS's that I am familiar with by security then it's have to be (from most holes to least) Windows