----------------------------------- we64 Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:27 pm DWITE is probably the most entertaining computer contest ----------------------------------- I personally think DWITE is the most entertaining contest around. First of all, no matter you do it in school or at home, you will have fun for sure. In school, you get to own others in their face and listen to lots of swearings. XD At home, you can enjoy a nice and your favourite programming enviroment. Second of all, this is the only contest that involves teams, it builds team spirits and teamworking skills. Lastly, although the judge isn't that great, the contest level of difficulty is very even, easy to hard, it hardly happens that you can't do any question at all. At least you would feel good about yourself in certain ways. ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:35 am Re: DWITE is probably the most entertaining computer contest ----------------------------------- this is the only contest that involves teams I would have to disagree on that because ECOO has teams. Also, it is fun but it isn't when you are programming with Turing and the judge version 2.6 compiler :x Now they dont but still I was just making a point. ----------------------------------- md Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:24 am ----------------------------------- There are other contests with teams... in ottawa algonquin college hosts a competition every year (I won most improved when I did it ;), and my team won first this year). I'm pretty sure there are more of them too. Plus many competitions are open to a variety of languages, otehr then turning; which isn't exactly a great language... Personally I hadn't even heard of the DWITE contest until I discovered compsci, so obviously it can't be that good or word of it would have spread :P ----------------------------------- Cervantes Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:51 pm ----------------------------------- Personally I hadn't even heard of the DWITE contest until I discovered compsci, so obviously it can't be that good or word of it would have spread :P Good and popular are two different things, remember. Insert yourself into the mindframe of wtd, then think: Java. Now re-read my above statement. :) ----------------------------------- wtd Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:26 pm ----------------------------------- Personally I hadn't even heard of the DWITE contest until I discovered compsci, so obviously it can't be that good or word of it would have spread :P Good and popular are two different things, remember. Insert yourself into the mindframe of wtd, then think: Java. Now re-read my above statement. :) Or Windows. Or Internet Explorer. Popularity is a function of marketing, not quality. ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:26 pm ----------------------------------- first of all you are not suppose to work on DWITE at home. and secondly you obviously havent tried the other computer contests like topcoder, USACO, codecup, IPSC, imaginecup, various AI competitions etc ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:53 pm ----------------------------------- first of all you are not suppose to work on DWITE at home. I would have to disagree with that because I write it from my own house cause my school doesnt write it. ----------------------------------- zylum Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:18 pm ----------------------------------- how do they prevent you from cheating? ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:05 pm ----------------------------------- how can I cheat? -> I have no friends -> Using Internet doesnt get you anywhere except wastes your time -> noone from alberta except me is writing the contest -> Cant use MSN because the people I am contacting are writing the contest too. ----------------------------------- zylum Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:07 pm ----------------------------------- lol im on your msn ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:18 pm ----------------------------------- first of all you are not suppose to work on DWITE at home. I would have to disagree with that because I write it from my own house cause my school doesnt write it. thats not the point. The point is that you can't do this from your home and you need a proctor. part of the rules. One could have preexisting code on his/her computer for example, or google up algorithms. But personally I couldnt care less what you do. ----------------------------------- we64 Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:50 pm ----------------------------------- This write contest at home thing just started this year because of the contest time. 3pm to 6pm. First is afterschool, how many students want to write a contest after school at school? Secondly, how many teacher would willingly stay after school just because a non-reward contest? Lastly, the contest is mainly for students to practice their skills for CCC, scoring and winning doesn't really matter that much. How much would they improve if they just use used code? ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:08 pm ----------------------------------- first of all you are not suppose to work on DWITE at home. I would have to disagree with that because I write it from my own house cause my school doesnt write it. thats not the point. The point is that you can't do this from your home and you need a proctor. part of the rules. One could have preexisting code on his/her computer for example, or google up algorithms. But personally I couldnt care less what you do. what are you talking about? I asked Mr Will for his permission, and I am not such a degraded student who would write preexisting code and algorithms. Zylum: I am too busy figuring out the math and programming, I dont have time to wait for my friends to reply on MSN. ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:29 pm ----------------------------------- I am merely stating the ways one could cheat on dwite. zylum is doing the same thing (using you as an example, rather than accusing you of cheating). So dont jump up, no need to feel guilty ;) I dont know why you are defending yourself so aggressively. As we64 said, it is an informal contest. No point in cheating (sadly I do know cases of cheating) ----------------------------------- Paul Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:48 pm ----------------------------------- Eh, its like say, getting into engineering when you cheated for all your math courses. In the end you're only lying to yourself. There's really no point in doing that just so you can go: "omg look! first in dwite!". And even if someone needs to resort to cheating, I doubt they'll get first. ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:52 am ----------------------------------- i dont know why poeple would resort to cheating. This is just a contest for christ's sake and a very low level one. If someone cheats in this and gets in ECOO or gets to write CCC, there is no chance that they will ever be able to cheat in those contests... If I cheat my way through and get a 1st rank, my conscience will tell me, I didnt earn those points legitly. What do you guys have to say about that? ----------------------------------- md Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:28 pm ----------------------------------- i dont know why poeple would resort to cheating. This is just a contest for christ's sake and a very low level one. If someone cheats in this and gets in ECOO or gets to write CCC, there is no chance that they will ever be able to cheat in those contests... If I cheat my way through and get a 1st rank, my conscience will tell me, I didnt earn those points legitly. What do you guys have to say about that? I have no conscience. Cheating and winning is a legitimate strategy. Rules are there to level the playing feild, but if you can bend the rules in your favour (cheating) and get away with it then in the end you are the better person in the competition. Obviously if you can't do the same in other competitions then it doesn't really help... but if you can get away with it there is absolutely nothing wrong with bending the rules. ----------------------------------- wtd Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:34 pm ----------------------------------- When all else fails... cheat. ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:01 pm ----------------------------------- you mean: if (mind.power > 0) and (notLazy = true) then useMind () else cheat () end if ? ----------------------------------- md Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:41 pm ----------------------------------- you mean: if (mind.power > 0) and (notLazy = true) then useMind () else cheat () end if ? No no, if cheating is easier then doing it and you can get away with cheating then cheat. Cheating is just a term given to those who find creative alternate methods of winning which work better. ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:37 pm ----------------------------------- Too bad our CS teacher doesnt have the same definition for cheating... :( ----------------------------------- we64 Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:26 pm ----------------------------------- Too bad our CS teacher doesnt have the same definition for cheating... :( yeah, how many teachers in this world do? ----------------------------------- Paul Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:01 pm ----------------------------------- When all else fails... cheat. There's also "When all else fails... hardcode!" ----------------------------------- McKenzie Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:11 pm ----------------------------------- I know you see yourself as "thinking outside of the box." Cornflake but in this case the cheating rules are there to help everyone. You, because if you cheat you don't force yourself to learn, and everyone else because they want legitimate feedback on their skills. Cheating is simply pretending you are better than you are. If you simply become better then you don't need to cheat. ----------------------------------- md Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:21 pm ----------------------------------- I know you see yourself as "thinking outside of the box." Cornflake but in this case the cheating rules are there to help everyone. You, because if you cheat you don't force yourself to learn, and everyone else because they want legitimate feedback on their skills. Cheating is simply pretending you are better than you are. If you simply become better then you don't need to cheat. While that's true to an extent once you get out into the real world you'll find thats not always the case. For instance I race sail boats; rule 42 in the racing rules of sailing forbids all sorts of different methods of propulsion other then by plain sailing. However, In order to actually do well you must be able to break this rule and get away with it, because everyone else can. After a certain point being able to cheat and get away with it is the only way to improve. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:23 pm ----------------------------------- I know you see yourself as "thinking outside of the box." Cornflake but in this case the cheating rules are there to help everyone. You, because if you cheat you don't force yourself to learn, and everyone else because they want legitimate feedback on their skills. Cheating is simply pretending you are better than you are. If you simply become better then you don't need to cheat. While that's true to an extent once you get ont into the real world you'll find thats not always the case. For instance I race sail boats; rule 42 in the racing rules of sailing forbids all sorts of different methods of propulsion other then by plain sailing. However, In order to actually do well you must be able to break this rule and get away with it, because everyone else can. After a certain point being able to cheat and get away with it is the only way to improve. But not everybody cheats at DWITE. It's not this corrupt lawless little society. We've done pretty well, following the rules religiously. ----------------------------------- md Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:28 pm ----------------------------------- I know you see yourself as "thinking outside of the box." Cornflake but in this case the cheating rules are there to help everyone. You, because if you cheat you don't force yourself to learn, and everyone else because they want legitimate feedback on their skills. Cheating is simply pretending you are better than you are. If you simply become better then you don't need to cheat. While that's true to an extent once you get ont into the real world you'll find thats not always the case. For instance I race sail boats; rule 42 in the racing rules of sailing forbids all sorts of different methods of propulsion other then by plain sailing. However, In order to actually do well you must be able to break this rule and get away with it, because everyone else can. After a certain point being able to cheat and get away with it is the only way to improve. But not everybody cheats at DWITE. It's not this corrupt lawless little society. We've done pretty well, following the rules religiously. Not everyone needs to... only the top few ;) ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:33 pm ----------------------------------- I know you see yourself as "thinking outside of the box." Cornflake but in this case the cheating rules are there to help everyone. You, because if you cheat you don't force yourself to learn, and everyone else because they want legitimate feedback on their skills. Cheating is simply pretending you are better than you are. If you simply become better then you don't need to cheat. While that's true to an extent once you get ont into the real world you'll find thats not always the case. For instance I race sail boats; rule 42 in the racing rules of sailing forbids all sorts of different methods of propulsion other then by plain sailing. However, In order to actually do well you must be able to break this rule and get away with it, because everyone else can. After a certain point being able to cheat and get away with it is the only way to improve. But not everybody cheats at DWITE. It's not this corrupt lawless little society. We've done pretty well, following the rules religiously. Not everyone needs to... only the top few ;) But then, what's the point? You're not getting better. You're not impressing anyone. You're not getting any prizes. I'd be very surprised if good DWITE results counted for anything on an academic resume. You wouldn't get any satisfaction. I'm really not seeing any pros at all :P It's not even like an online game where cheating at leasts speeds up the flow of the action so you get to the good part faster, or you have the satisfaction of 'pwning n00bs.' ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:34 pm ----------------------------------- I hate my schoolboard. Throughout highschool, I've had about 2 snow days, one of which we only found out it was a snow day after we had got to school, and it was essentially a regular school day. But apparently, my school board has cancelled all after school activities. No DWITE, unless we do it from home, which I don't think is going to happen. Good luck to everyone else writing this time. :) ----------------------------------- we64 Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:41 pm ----------------------------------- Everyone hates their school board, I have so much against them. Waste of budget everyday on stupid stuff. A bunch of old people sit in an office and think they know how to educate teens, stupid rules, regulations, etc. you can't really complain to them because they just look after themselves. ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:08 pm ----------------------------------- They just want to earn money and one more hidden purpose they want to make sure enough people drop out to provide a labour force because for labour force they cant really rely on immigrants now can they? ----------------------------------- md Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:13 pm ----------------------------------- They just want to earn money and one more hidden purpose they want to make sure enough people drop out to provide a labour force because for labour force they cant really rely on immigrants now can they? WTF? You can't seriously believe that; if you do you are almost equal to sylvester-27 in terms of stupidity and I didn't think that was possible. Everyone hates their school board, I have so much against them. Waste of budget everyday on stupid stuff. A bunch of old people sit in an office and think they know how to educate teens, stupid rules, regulations, etc. you can't really complain to them because they just look after themselves. Have you ever heard of politics? Half the reason why things are so messed up is because the people in charge are after the power. The smart people in the world have better things to do with their time so they rarely enter politics, whereas the people who are less intelligent think that politics is a great way to control people. And dumb people are easily swayed by all sorts of falsehoods into doing dumb things that don't work and cost money; Hence government! ----------------------------------- MysticVegeta Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:40 pm ----------------------------------- It was just a guess... I could be right you know.