----------------------------------- Cervantes Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:36 pm World Community Grid -- Join the Humanitarian Effort! ----------------------------------- World Community Grid A Computer Grid to Benefit Humanity It's been a year since IBM first started their human proteome; a proteome is much like a genome, except that it maps the proteins that the genes code for. uses the processing power of our computers to predict how a particular chain of amino acids (what makes up proteins) will fold into their 3dimensioanl conformation. Recently, WCG has begun a . It uses the processing power of our computers to computationally test how small molecules, "drug candidates", will react with HIV protease. I've registered, and hope to contribute a lot to this most wonderful and inspiring of causes. I want everyone on CompSci.ca to register as well and donate their idle computer time. A neat thing: WCG allows to form, to compete in members, total run time, points, etc. I've started a . When registering your account, make sure to select the CompSci.ca team to join; the option to join a team is the last one in the list. Click "Select..." and do a search for "compsci". Also to note: Windows and Linux are supported. Although currently linux users are only able to donate their idle computer time to the Human Proteome Folding Project. This is truly a fantastic cause. Hopefully everyone will register and donate at least some of their idle computer time to this scientific, humanitarian, and not-for-profit endeavour. ----------------------------------- Dan Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:48 pm ----------------------------------- This seems very intrestings but i whould whont greatines that the data being proces is only for such things and not like IBM trying to use us all for there own gains. ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:58 am ----------------------------------- IT IS ANTICIPATED EVENTUALLY THAT IBM WILL TRANSFER WORLD COMMUNITY GRID TO A NON-IBM OWNED WORLD COMMUNITY GRID ENTITY OR ANOTHER ENTITY. IF AND WHEN THAT OCCURS, THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALSO APPLY TO THAT WORLD COMMUNITY GRID ENTITY Don't think they'll have personal gains from giving the project away. I'm liking their idea of teams. I'm in. ----------------------------------- Naveg Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:13 pm ----------------------------------- Excellent cause, I joined the team. ----------------------------------- Dan Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:10 pm ----------------------------------- I will read over all the legal stuff on there site and if it is ok i will join up and start some severs working on it. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:41 pm ----------------------------------- I haven't looked into this too much, so if anyone can answer, thanks! What stops them from using this to access and/or gain other data from the computer 'giving idle time'? Either than some vague 'agreement' statements? Won't this contribute to power/cpu usage + overheating? More usage = more power consumption, no? -Cervantes, you make a great salesperson :). ----------------------------------- Tony Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:55 pm ----------------------------------- "]What stops them from using this to access and/or gain other data from the computer 'giving idle time'? They can't afford to get sued :lol: There are 3 674 Slashdot users, about as many from IBM (spread over different regional teams). Someone would catch on to what's happening. "] Won't this contribute to power/cpu usage + overheating? More usage = more power consumption, no? Yes, that is what you're donating to the cause though. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:07 pm ----------------------------------- "] Won't this contribute to power/cpu usage + overheating? More usage = more power consumption, no? [url=http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2221]Link! In short, the answer is not to any significant amount, according to this. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:32 am ----------------------------------- Very interesting... It doesn't cover overheating? But I guess with a decent cooling system you don't have to worry about that too much. Well, I'll think about it... In other news, Cervantes, you see to be the only one who hasn't generated any points for the team yet ;). *edit* Anyone care to explain this further? TO BE IN THE PROJECT, YOU MAY RECEIVE SOFTWARE THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO DOWNLOAD ONTO YOUR COMPUTER, SUCH AS CERTAIN SOFTWARE FROM UNITED DEVICES, INC. YOU WILL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE APPLICABLE SOFTWARE LICENSE FOR THE SOFTWARE, AND YOU WILL USE THE SOFTWARE ONLY AS PERMITTED BY ITS LICENSE. ----------------------------------- Naveg Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:13 am ----------------------------------- That's just the software they give you to do the stuff they need. Its a little icon that sits in your taskbar and you can watch its progress. Made by united devices. ----------------------------------- codemage Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:15 pm ----------------------------------- Distributed processing services like this don't usually max out your system. It won't bump power consumption or heat much b/c the processes can run with the monitor off, and drives and expansion cards idle. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:27 pm ----------------------------------- It won't bump power consumption or heat much So you should sign up and Points Generated (Rank) 672 (#98,635) Results Returned (Rank) 3 (#95,090) ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:22 pm ----------------------------------- I will try runing it on my laptop for a bit and see how it gose. It is not bad my litte lab is not up and runing, other wise we could have had some fun.... ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:22 pm ----------------------------------- Oh, cool! I was already part of the Folding@Home project, which is very similar, but since there's a compsci.ca team for this one, I'll switch :D ----------------------------------- Cervantes Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:25 pm ----------------------------------- "]In other news, Cervantes, you see to be the only one who hasn't generated any points for the team yet ;). :oops: Turns out I couldn't get the linux app working. I made a [url=https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=4775]post, and threw it in the pile of things to check after I upgrade to Breezy. Which is tonight. :wink: Edit: Oh yeah, during my spare I might set up an extra computer or two to do this. Then I'll be flying. :) ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:05 pm ----------------------------------- This is weird, I submitted my first work unit about twelve hours ago, and even though it shows up in my PERSONAL statistics, the team page still says I haven't contributed any. Do you have to manually credit your points to the team, or does that page just take forever and a day to update itself? ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:20 am ----------------------------------- the server does take its sweet time updating statistics.. it appears to be in sync with your personal page at the moment, though those are updated every few hours on their own.. weird stuff, but I guess they do have to minimize loads. Btw - Dan is kicking ass with his points / result and is catching up fast, though he appears to have just lucked out with large pieces of work (longer work time * better computer = more points). ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:01 am ----------------------------------- Aucatly from what i can see they detrime your work load by how good your computer is and affter every work load on that comp is done they reevaualte the goodness of your comp. ;) Also i may have tweaked a few things to make things go faster. It is realy to bad my lab is not around any more other wises it whould not even be a contest. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:39 am ----------------------------------- Did you say contest? :) Fine, I'm in. Hope they improve the stats update system. Where does it allocate the disk space? Does it get removed once the client is closed? ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:30 pm ----------------------------------- Speaking of contests. World Community Grid Participation Contest Here's the deal. At the end of this month (November), you will recieve 100 bits + 1/5 of your WCG points in bits If your WCG's registered name is different from your compsci name, please contact me to get that figured out. ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:50 pm ----------------------------------- YAY, now i can fainly get some bits! ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:54 pm ----------------------------------- lol. By the end of the month I might not even have one work unit done with the huge ones I am getting - 14 hours... Is it possible to have 2+ computers running for the same account? How did [url=http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewMemberInfo.do?userName=tractatuslogica]this guy get such a high results/hour? :o ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:54 pm ----------------------------------- "]Is it possible to have 2+ computers running for the same account? There is, I have 3 computers running, 2 of them are windows (98/XP) and 1 linux. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:20 pm ----------------------------------- "] How did If you look, his run time is only 7 minutes, and he generated only 344 points. So the system extrapolates that to what he would have done in one hour keeping that same rate. Its not accurate. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:22 pm ----------------------------------- Speaking of contests. World Community Grid Participation Contest Here's the deal. At the end of this month (November), you will recieve 100 bits + 1/5 of your WCG points in bits If your WCG's registered name is different from your compsci name, please contact me to get that figured out. I don't know. WCG is a great cause, but it does have its drawbacks. It's a great thing to do while you're not using your processing power much, such as while you're downloading, programming, or writing. The environmentalist in me says that such a contest on CompSci.ca is a bad idea because it will encourage people to run WCG when their computer would otherwise be off. [url=http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2221]This post shows that WCG does not take much more power than an idle computer, which is why it is so great. Sure, AIDS is a big problem, and the proteome is important, but so is the degrading quality of our enviornment and our energy crisis. Solving one problem, such as AIDS, should be carefully weighed against the reprecussions in other areas. That said, let's have this contest. Perhaps we'll have it next month, too. But, to those who participate, please do not let a competition of sorts get out of hand. Don't be running your computer just for this. ----------------------------------- Tony Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:00 pm ----------------------------------- yeah guys, I don't want anyone dragging out retired systems from their clothet, and having it run for 24+ hours for the sake of a single result. Power consumption difference is insignificant only if you your computer idles otherwise. All of that being said -- if your computer does idle.. or even if you're working on non process intensive tasks: chatting, browsing, writting an essay or programming -- by all means, put your computer to use :wink: ----------------------------------- Dan Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:02 pm ----------------------------------- LOL, i realy do not think this contest on compsci.ca is going to have any signifcat evermantl impact. And in reality i think that find a cure for adis is more importent then the engery this will use. If you whont to cut back on power there are much better ways then stoping computers from looking for the cure to aids. Hell telling peoleop to turn off there chrismass lights whould probly be 1000s of times better for the invment then the impact WCG will have on the evriment. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:28 pm ----------------------------------- I have 3 computers in my house, this one included, that run almost 24/7 anyway. There's no harm in having it do this on top of everything else, especially since everything else isn't very processing-intensive. I've only been in this for a day now, and I already have over 1000 points, and I'm planning to bring another computer into this, so ... :D *dreams of rolling around in bits* ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:55 am ----------------------------------- LOL, i realy do not think this contest on compsci.ca is going to have any signifcat evermantl impact. And in reality i think that find a cure for adis is more importent then the engery this will use. If you whont to cut back on power there are much better ways then stoping computers from looking for the cure to aids. Hell telling peoleop to turn off there chrismass lights whould probly be 1000s of times better for the invment then the impact WCG will have on the evriment. Everything we do is minimal in its impact. But we still do it, right? Even compsci.ca doesn't have a large impact. Think about the number of students in Ontario who have taken computer science in the past several years, then think about the 2000 registered users at compsci.ca. Now, perhaps compsci.ca is a bad example, because it does have a large impact on certain individuals. Regardless, we do this anyways. It should be the same for the environment. Every little bit counts. Things add up. Your next door neighbour clothing his house in high-energy Christmas lights is no excuse for you to guzzle energy in computers. A cure for AIDS is indeed an important humanitarian project. But, frankly, the degredation of our environment is more important. And you have to remember that the contribution of compsci.ca to the cure for AIDS (How many people are actually doing that one, anyways? I'm doing the Proteome for the sake of this project. I hope that we can have a status quo in terms of computer usage, while taking a step forward in solving the proteome or finding a cure for AIDS. ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:14 am ----------------------------------- Quit hostly i think you are being very overly dramtick and consider about the evnirment in this case. And i think that in the long run if we where to use up 2 times the noraml compestion of power for an effort like this it whould be a good thing. I think that you are picking the wrong battles. Why tell peoleop to not use to much power when sreaching for a cure of aids when there are so many other wastfull uses of power out there that help no one at all. Also you are not fully considering the impact of what you whont. By your ideals turing off your comp when not in use is good for the everment. But inreality it aucatly is much worse. See each time you reboot your comp it auctly puts alot of stress on it and shortens it's life. Witch means more scrap computer parts that will most likey be just dumped and not recyled at all. Also computers when not recyled propely contain some very toixc materals witch whould do sicgifactly more damge to the everment then the power useage of a comp could ever do. So in reality by telling peoleop to turn the comps off u acuatly whould be doing more damge to the world on a hole. I say not only should u run this project 24/7 but that you should chage it to run at full power and not just the ideal proccess. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:00 pm ----------------------------------- I think that you are picking the wrong battles. Why tell peoleop to not use to much power when sreaching for a cure of aids when there are so many other wastfull uses of power out there that help no one at all. I'm not picking the wrong battles, I'm picking every battle. :wink: I pick those battles too. Fear not. Also you are not fully considering the impact of what you whont. By your ideals turing off your comp when not in use is good for the everment. But inreality it aucatly is much worse. See each time you reboot your comp it auctly puts alot of stress on it and shortens it's life. Witch means more scrap computer parts that will most likey be just dumped and not recyled at all. Also computers when not recyled propely contain some very toixc materals witch whould do sicgifactly more damge to the everment then the power useage of a comp could ever do. This surprises me. My family and I turn computers off when we aren't using them. (They go on and off at least once a day, more likely twice. Stand by if we are going to leave them for more than half an hour.) We've never discarded a computer unless it was exceptionally old. Do you have any sources to validate this claim? Another thing: make sure the monitor is off. :wink: ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:22 pm ----------------------------------- Beacuse this is such a deabted topic there are not many crediable sorces. On some harddrives mioving the head from the rest postion to active again adds some ware to it and increas the likehound of failure. On some of the cathoray monthers the burst of power at first weakens things alot and makes it more likey the tub will burn out each time. Also when booting a comp it uses alot more power then noraml almost enought to keep a noramly one that is allready on going for a bit. I personaly blive the surge of power to be daming to some lesser/cheaper compontes of a computer system. Also from my exprice when ever somthing gose realy realy realy bad it is when rebooting the computer. On the opsits side of the arugment is that the heat genreated from a computer being on is bad for it as well and that u are open to virus, hacking and spyware when it is on and online. Plus the hole elctirsity thing. Noramly i whould think you had a point with your arument of truing it off vs doing nothing with it. But turing it off vs fighting aids i think you are wrong. See the idea behind engerny conseration is to get ride of the needless things, xmass lights, leaving your printer on, leaving lights on in your house when u are not in the room, ect. But when your computer is runing this software it is not doing somthing useless, but rather quite meaningfull. I say leave the comp on and go turn off all your lights to make up for it if you most. And in reality i do not think a computer uses up that much power comaperd to other things in your house. ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:25 pm ----------------------------------- sorry to double post but ARGGG i just lost a 6gb work load that was almost done. And now i got nothing! just b/c my laptop crashed when procesing it at a critacal point. That whould have been almost 800 points :cry: ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:07 pm ----------------------------------- I think we agree that saving energy is important. We just have differing opinions on how important this project is. In support not leaving computers running at all times, you can start and stop a project whenever you like, and it will restart where you left off. You also don't have to be on the internet to run the project. Such great features. Note that this applies to the linux agent, and may or may not be the case on the windows agents. Could someone verify this for the windows agents? ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:16 pm ----------------------------------- In support not leaving computers running at all times, you can start and stop a project whenever you like, and it will restart where you left off. You also don't have to be on the internet to run the project. Such great features. Note that this applies to the linux agent, and may or may not be the case on the windows agents. Could someone verify this for the windows agents? Yup, it's the same :) I've gotten it running on Windows, it can resume and work offline just fine. ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:31 pm ----------------------------------- Yup, it's the same :) I've gotten it running on Windows, it can resume and work offline just fine. Unless it crashes while you are playing with it's processes........ And nothing good is being done if the comp is off. And the way you are puting it is so exam that to me it sounds like you whould like us to go back in to the stone age. I mean u whould slow down the cure for aids over a few comps runing for a bit longer then noraml? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:29 pm ----------------------------------- And nothing good is being done if the comp is off. And the way you are puting it is so exam that to me it sounds like you whould like us to go back in to the stone age. Arrgh! Nay, matie. Thar be not what I's be sayin'! I said we should have the contest. I said we should perhaps have the contest again next month. I mean u whould slow down the cure for aids over a few comps runing for a bit longer then noraml? Turn the bias around: I would not run several computers a lot longer than normal just for a minute chance at finding a cure to AIDS. Really, there are lots of others searching for it too. Everything is minimalistic, but your above sentance portrays the search for an AIDS cure as a big thing, while the power consumption as a small thing. Regardless, I think this debate has gone on long enough. I'll change the topic. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:49 pm ----------------------------------- The Next Step WCG at School A lot of school computers are turned on, waiting for someone to log in. Some schools leave computers on all day and all night, even on weekends. Across an entire school, this is a huge amount of computer idle time. Across an entire province of schools... Well, that's just outragous. If you're willing to help, speak to your network administrator and see about installing WCG on network computers. If you don't think your network administrator would be interested, try speaking to some other teacher/staff member first. Perhaps a biology teacher. It would be good for the schools to join the compsci.ca team. I'm not sure how it would be done, but the idle time when no one is logged into a computer would be the ideal time for WCG agents to run. If anyone has any ideas on how to accomplish this, please speak. Nine compsci members is good. But nine schools is a thousand times better. Who knows, some enthusiastic and charismatic individual may even go so far as to approach their regional school board. ----------------------------------- Paul Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:19 pm ----------------------------------- I'm afraid the technicians wouldn't agree. We often complain about our computer systems, my school has 6 computer labs, use to be for around 2500 students. Another school has 900 students, and we all use the same kind of servers. Needless to say, we were having a much more difficult time. But the board technicians just says it makes it easier for them to treat everyone the same, even if we do have like 3 times more computers. They have it set up so its easy for them to make their own lives easier, they come before us. I'm afraid that it'd be difficult to convince them of something like this. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:27 pm ----------------------------------- You can do nothing more than try. And even if they say "no", you never know. Perhaps they don't want to make the change immediately, and I understand that. I expect my own network administrator would say "Yes", but she would probably wait for a time when the computers need to be reimaged anyways. Besides, you're a better person for trying, even if they refuse. ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:42 pm ----------------------------------- I was allready going to propses the idea of install the software on all the comps at lakehead uni at the next student union meeting. That whould be alot of procsing power, esptaly if i could get it on the super comps. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:19 am ----------------------------------- No new members? :( Come on people, advertise! Persue! ;) ----------------------------------- codemage Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:53 am ----------------------------------- I'm actually shocked that more post-sec schools don't sell their labs as distributed computing workhorses during off-peak times. There are companies out there that pay for processor power, and most schools seem to leave their stuff on overnight anyway. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:09 pm ----------------------------------- I'm actually shocked that more post-sec schools don't sell their labs as distributed computing workhorses during off-peak times. There are companies out there that pay for processor power, and most schools seem to leave their stuff on overnight anyway. One big problem: liability. Those schools would then be at least partially liable for whatever those companies do with that computing power. Additionally, imagine you outsource your heavy computer work to a university. Then a week later you find out some information about the project has been leaked. Now, whether the university is respomsible or not, they'll be the natural scapegoat. ----------------------------------- codemage Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:20 pm ----------------------------------- Didn't really think of that. Most companies that ship out distributed projects use heavy encryption so the end users can't tamper with the data. (I think that started with SETI, and people trying to hack / tamper with the packets they were getting). If a system were ideally programmed, the university wouldn't actually have access to any sensitive decrypted data. If the encryption scheme was changed frequently enough (with small core auto updates), you could still have a very secure system... I think. ----------------------------------- wtd Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:24 pm ----------------------------------- Didn't really think of that. Most companies that ship out distributed projects use heavy encryption so the end users can't tamper with the data. (I think that started with SETI, and people trying to hack / tamper with the packets they were getting). If a system were ideally programmed, the university wouldn't actually have access to any sensitive decrypted data. If the encryption scheme was changed frequently enough (with small core auto updates), you could still have a very secure system... I think. Logic holds very little sway with the typical CEO. They just want someone to blame who isn't themself. A university would be the perfect target. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:05 pm ----------------------------------- First result in for me after 11.5 hours. I now have the highest points per hour from anyone on the compsci team ;). If you wanted to set this up on a school network, I would think you have to go to the school board, not only the network administrator..? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:39 pm ----------------------------------- "]First result in for me after 11.5 hours. I now have the highest points per hour from anyone on the compsci team ;). My result took over twelve hours, though. Ah, it takes too long for me to download these things. "]If you wanted to set this up on a school network, I would think you have to go to the school board, not only the network administrator..? Time will tell. :) ----------------------------------- md Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:25 pm ----------------------------------- I know waterloo doesn't have much unused computer time; there are many projects which profs run which take lots and lots of computer time. ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:18 am ----------------------------------- World Community Grid Participation Contest Here's the deal. At the end of this month (November), you will recieve 100 bits + 1/5 of your WCG points in bits So here are the stats: Member Name -|-- Joined-Retired ---|--- Total Run Time ---|- Points Generated -|- Results -|- Bits oniTony --------|---- 11/23/2005 ----|---- 0:009:00:36:56 ----|--- 5,776 ---|---- 31 ------|- 1,255 Hacker Dan ----|---- 11/24/2005 ----|---- 0:007:20:22:09 ----|--- 4,847 ---|---- 15 ------|- 1,069 Hikaru79 -------|---- 11/25/2005 ----|---- 0:004:22:22:26 ----|--- 3,196 ---|---- 8 -------|- 739 Richard Drake -|---- 11/25/2005 ----|---- 0:005:18:37:43 ----|--- 2,700 ---|---- 12 ------|- 640 timmytheturtle -|---- 11/26/2005 ----|---- 0:005:16:40:23 ----|--- 2,415 ---|---- 15 ------|- 583 beard0 ----------|---- 11/25/2005 ----|---- 0:002:13:25:41 ----|--- 1,102 ---|---- 2 -------|- 320 go me and who's Richard Drake? ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:34 pm ----------------------------------- Woot 1,069 bits!!! Now i can fianly buy a new e-mail at compsci.ca i allways i whonted to! Sersaly tho i whould have beat you tony if i had more time and it was not runing on a laptop that is down most of the time :twisted: Good Job every one! I whould like to do this over decemeber as well but try to get more peoleop form compsci.ca joining in! ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:48 pm ----------------------------------- LOL, sorry for the double post but if you look at my stats as of 12:00 midnight last night my points updated to 6,816. they just where not updated to the team stats yet :twisted: ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:07 pm ----------------------------------- woot! bits. Damn slow computers processing stuff to slow. I could have gotten more bits if I got more points per results. ----------------------------------- Hikaru79 Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:13 pm ----------------------------------- w00t w00t! Highest non-admin score :D Par-tay at my house :dance: ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:09 pm ----------------------------------- Er, I'm running this on a 550 Mhz... how long do you guys think it will move from 0% to 1%? :P I mean... its been running for 10 minutes ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:12 pm ----------------------------------- Well I average 1 result per 7 hours on a 2.8Ghz, P4 machine. I think Folding@Home project is less process intensive. Ether way, they could balance the loads, and give your computer smaller tasks :? ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:19 pm ----------------------------------- Wow, I meet the minimum requirements for the AIDS project, but how would I switch to the other? ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:21 pm ----------------------------------- you go to your projects settings https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/viewMyProjects.do and select what you want to participate in ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:36 pm ----------------------------------- If you slected both projects you have a 50/50 chance of geting one or the other. I blive you are right about the floding being less intesneive but i also blive it gives you less points. You can also edit your device profiles to chage the size of workloads you get. The bigger the work load the more points, but the longer it will take to complet. If you have a realy good comp that is on all the time i whould sugested cahging the work load to 5gb~6gb other wise for smaler ones it maybe better to take smaller work loads. Also the software dected information about you computer and adguests the workload sizes and other factors based on your computers stats. One thing about laptops tho is the software will turn off if it thinks the computer is unpluge witch can mess things upsome times. Tho it is probly not the best idea to put it on a laptop b/c it realy dose increas the heat quite a bit and suck away power. ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:40 pm ----------------------------------- High or low, I'm stuck with this one until its 100% done :( Anyhow, I didn't notice it download any large files :S my folder is 30 megs still, yet it says main task in progress. ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:46 pm ----------------------------------- By default i blive it process a low size file, i thougth 50mb but idk now. It checks your diskspace to find out how much i blive. Any how i am going to proposes puting WCG on the lakehead compunters to the LUSU BoD in a few mins. Wish me luck ;) ----------------------------------- Tony Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:54 pm ----------------------------------- good luck Dan. the default space size is 1000MB. It's not downloading anything of nearly such magnitude though. The space is just the available scratch space for the task. Meaning now much data it can write to disk during those 7~8 hours it's processing. At the end it packs everything important up, and sends a condenced result. It is hardly using any bandwidth. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:54 pm ----------------------------------- Any how i am going to proposes puting WCG on the lakehead compunters to the LUSU BoD in a few mins. Wish me luck ;) :!: Good luck! Don't forget to get them to join the compsci.ca team. :wink: ----------------------------------- Paul Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:47 pm ----------------------------------- Good luck dan. Its been running for over an hour, and it hasn't made 1% of the progress... and since you cannot start off not participating in the AID's project, I guess its gonna take me a week for me to do this one file :P [edit] Actually 0.6%, so that would make around 9 days. [edit2]: Perhaps an exaggeration, I didn't realize playing an online golf game would slow it down THAT much, so this project will prolly take no more than 50 hours. Sadly, I'll prolly get the same amount of points for the 50 hours as Tony would with 7 :P ----------------------------------- Dan Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:02 pm ----------------------------------- Well i borgth it up and passed it on to the exctuive comunity so it is up to them now. ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:17 am ----------------------------------- I didn't realize playing an online golf game would slow it down THAT much Well it is designed to not interfere with your regular computer use, it might run some processes, though it shouldn't be as much. It works at it optimal during computer idle time, such as when screensaver kicks in :wink: ----------------------------------- Naveg Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:15 pm ----------------------------------- is there a console version of the software? Me thinks the drawing fancy molecules uses up valuable cpu power no? ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:18 pm ----------------------------------- is there a console version of the software? Yeah - for linux. And it runs Folding@Home only :? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:37 pm ----------------------------------- ... it runs Folding@Home only :? Tony, Folding@Home is not what you think it is, if I understand you correctly. Folding@Home is what Hikaru79 did before WCG. It too worked on the proteome, but it is a totally different system. [url=http://folding.stanford.edu/]Link! ----------------------------------- Tony Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:15 pm ----------------------------------- I was refering to [url=https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/viewHpfAbout.do]this folding ----------------------------------- Paul Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:41 pm ----------------------------------- Woot, mine is at 20% done :D ----------------------------------- md Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:28 am ----------------------------------- 4% in 30 minutes... not too shabby! Just gotta get it running on my server too... ----------------------------------- Paul Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:04 pm ----------------------------------- well my first one took me 24.5 hours and it only got 389 points :( But now I"m on the proteome folding, it says this will take about a week's worth of wall-clock time to finish, so I'm expecting some good points for that o0. ----------------------------------- md Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:36 pm ----------------------------------- First one took 8 hours, I got 375 points, the second one is going to take forever because I had to restart my computer a number of times and it seems that the simulation is incapable of saving it's state... something folding@home has managed to do for some time... I also got it running on my server but it seems to be waiting before returning results, oh well... so long as I get my points eventually :P ----------------------------------- Naveg Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:02 am ----------------------------------- well my first one took me 24.5 hours and it only got 389 points :( But now I"m on the proteome folding, it says this will take about a week's worth of wall-clock time to finish, so I'm expecting some good points for that o0. The points system largely depends on how your system compares to their base comparison system. Each category of CPU power, RAM, storage, and network connection is taken as a ratio of your system to the comparison system and then multiplied by runtime to get the result. Categories are then added and submitted. I'm not sure what they measure runtime in. Mine have been taking on average about 9-10 hours, but i've only been getting about 200 points for each. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:21 am ----------------------------------- the second one is going to take forever because I had to restart my computer a number of times and it seems that the simulation is incapable of saving it's state... something folding@home has managed to do for some time... Really? It seems to save its state fine for me. Actually, I suspect it backtracks by a percent or so to make sure it's at the right spot, but that's not a problem. ----------------------------------- md Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:24 am ----------------------------------- Yeah, after further reboots sperated by lengthier periods of system stability it does seem that the state get's saved every so often. I just didn't happen in the first 40% Oh well, I'll just have to watch less tv until I get the stability issue sorted out, or until I pass other people's point totals... whichever comes first. ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:41 pm ----------------------------------- Reported success for saving projects on a USBKey. Looks like I'll be running this at school afterall. On my own time, that is. Have to give the network admin another push towards getting WCG running on idle computers. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=4965 ----------------------------------- we64 Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:31 am ----------------------------------- Well I am in, 2 computers. ----------------------------------- md Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:17 pm ----------------------------------- Huzzah! More people to leave in my dust! So far only dan is consistently producing more points a day then me... ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:00 pm ----------------------------------- Not anymore... You're beating him now. My points per day are increasing... :) ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:34 pm ----------------------------------- The main comp runing it for me is a laptop so it is not allways on a procesing so my avg goses up and down alot........ ----------------------------------- we64 Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:28 pm ----------------------------------- Just finished a small protein folding, only scored 100 points. Then the program doens't read my computer's stats right. Doing two aids one right now, the 1ghz computer spent 22 hours on 50%. And my 2.8 ghz laptop spent 10 hours on 34%. Sort of slow, but most of the time the computer is occuppied (60%). ----------------------------------- md Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:04 pm ----------------------------------- Huzzah! I'm fourth overall! Hikaru79 I'll get you yet... only dan get's more points a day then me... he's gonna be hard to catch... ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:10 pm ----------------------------------- Huzzah! I'm fourth overall! Hikaru79 I'll get you yet... only dan get's more points a day then me... he's gonna be hard to catch... You will have a chance over the beark, i will be shuting down the app to work on compsci.ca and have my laptop off more. ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:33 am ----------------------------------- Hehe, sweet, one of my computers is getting the maximum possible amount of points per hour. Too bad it's not running for more than an hour or two a day... Some people are consistently getting 38 points per hour. :think: ----------------------------------- md Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:42 pm ----------------------------------- my main computer is definitely borked... looks like it might be a while before anything is working properly... so I've only got the slow server doing anything... people might be able to catch up to me! *gasp* ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:42 pm ----------------------------------- My laptops hard drive crashed, my home made thing (maybe a server?) died too so all my comps processing it are gone. ----------------------------------- Naveg Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:46 pm ----------------------------------- Paving the way for me in top spot :D ----------------------------------- Amailer Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:36 pm ----------------------------------- I joined though I haven't done anything yet; set it to work on screen saver. ----------------------------------- md Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:19 pm ----------------------------------- Home == more computers to run it on; so far only one laptop though :( Tony, will there be another bits competition this month? As minsc noted in the IRC channel 1/5 bits is a bit much... I'd be getting 4k Bits for hte month (so far... I get 1000+ points a day...) ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:31 pm ----------------------------------- Then you're disqualified :twisted: Have to find some way to catch up... hmm... ----------------------------------- md Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:54 pm ----------------------------------- "]Then you're disqualified :twisted: You're just jealous because in the ~15 days I've been running it I've got almost the most points :P ----------------------------------- md Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:28 pm ----------------------------------- So... are people still running this? I notice that a lot of the people in the team have stopped... and in related news I'm now at the top :P ----------------------------------- Tony Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:58 am ----------------------------------- Tony, will there be another bits competition this month? I wasn't planning on it. And I no longer have access to the Windows box I was running WCG on :? ----------------------------------- Cervantes Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:22 am ----------------------------------- And I no longer have access to the Windows box I was running WCG on :? On the contrary, I now have linux installed, so I'll be doing it again. :) Though it's not like I make much of a dent compared to the amount the rest of your have done. ----------------------------------- md Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:05 am ----------------------------------- And I no longer have access to the Windows box I was running WCG on :? On the contrary, I now have linux installed, so I'll be doing it again. :) Though it's not like I make much of a dent compared to the amount the rest of your have done. Sure you do Cervantes! It's just that the top couple generators generate lots... almost as much as the rest combined... ----------------------------------- Dan Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:41 pm ----------------------------------- My laptops hdd had a run in with a bad xray mashen so i am no longer runing it and for some odd reason i am now runing windows media center on it..... ----------------------------------- bugzpodder Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:00 pm ----------------------------------- i have the proggie on everyday. my computer must be 10x slower than most peoples here i guess. ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:25 pm ----------------------------------- i have the proggie on everyday. my computer must be 10x slower than most peoples here i guess. Slower then 300MHZ? ----------------------------------- [Gandalf] Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:07 am ----------------------------------- Clearly not. Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time 22.80424 compared to: Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time 12.91451 23 pts per hour isn't bad. Look at the difference between me and beard0. He has slightly more points at almost twice the run time. :) Then look at the difference between beard0 and timmy. I run the program every day, too bad I can't run it all day like some other people... ----------------------------------- md Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:28 am ----------------------------------- Yeah... not all of us can run it all day on 4 CPUs... :P ----------------------------------- timmytheturtle Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:16 am ----------------------------------- "]Then look at the difference between beard0 and timmy. I had 2 computers running 24/7 which gave some distance, but I had to stop running it on the fastest computer (2.66ghz) I have at home, because I was sucking up WAY to much system resources that the computer just didn't have availbable. I left it running on my linux box (300mhz) in my room that I normally only used it to talk in the IRC channel, and an alarm clock. But I've stopped doing it 4 days ago because of a problem with my ISP (I will not explain why) and don't have cable until the matter is resolved, and I'm stuck on dial-up (with very little time left..1hr 10min) :( I want my 5mbit always on connection back, But could do without the packet shaping (mainly targeted at bittorrent) ----------------------------------- Rasta Fella Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:45 pm ----------------------------------- Sounds like a good cause i will register.... ----------------------------------- Cervantes Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:52 pm ----------------------------------- But I've stopped doing it 4 days ago because of a problem with my ISP (I will not explain why) and don't have cable until the matter is resolved, and I'm stuck on dial-up (with very little time left..1hr 10min) :( This, I revel in. ----------------------------------- md Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:38 pm ----------------------------------- But I've stopped doing it 4 days ago because of a problem with my ISP (I will not explain why) and don't have cable until the matter is resolved, and I'm stuck on dial-up (with very little time left..1hr 10min) :( This, I revel in. Poor Minsc, err... Cervantes... just wait 'till you get to university where high speed is an unstated requirement ;) [edit] Ok, my work station is no longer doing this... memory usage seems to have sky rockeyted for some reason so until I get it fixed (linux is looking nice again...) minimal apps is key. Also... heat production has reached the point where my room stays warm with my window open all the way...