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Author:	Notoroge [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:50 pm ]
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I just discovered Opera and, upon getting to know it, uninstalled Firefox. 8) Most of you may be thinking, "BLASPHEMY!" or "KILL THE INFIDEL!" but hear me out. I just can't say enough good things about it. I played around with it all of one hour and instantly became infatuated. The interface is minimalist and uber-pretty, it has a built in Mail client, Newsgroups reader, RSS support equivalent to 'Sage' for Firefox (but official and built-in), it can identify itself as Opera, Mozilla, or Internet Explorer (comes in handy), Notes (Kinda like Mac-stickies), Mouse gestures, Voice commands (which I'm actually using and am amazed by), the list goes on. And all of these features built-in and enabled by default without raping your computer's resources (As it stands, right now it's using 21MBs while having the RSS window, the (awsome) download-manager, Mail, Newsgroups, and about 6 windows open (Just made an account at the Opera community forums ). It runs and feels super-fast. You can actually feel the difference between Opera and Firefox. FEEL. And all these features implemented in a really minimalist yet really slick interface that makes it feel uncluttered and super smooth. Give Opera a try. I played around with the free version for an hour, loved it, and whipped out my credit-card (Supporting the cause and what-not). Words cannot describe how much I love this browser. I shall never install another browser ever again. Firefox is dead to me. LONG LIVE THE BIG RED-"O"!

Author:	Mazer [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:55 pm ]
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You'll be baned within the hour, sellout. Just kidding of course. I remember trying Opera back before firefox was around (firebird too, for that matter). The voice commands sounds interesting, could you explain that in a bit more detail?

Author:	1of42 [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:57 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: I just discovered Opera and, upon getting to know it, uninstalled Firefox. 8) Most of you may be thinking, "BLASPHEMY!" or "KILL THE INFIDEL!" but hear me out. I just can't say enough good things about it. I played around with it all of one hour and instantly became infatuated. The interface is minimalist and uber-pretty, it has a built in Mail client, Newsgroups reader, RSS support equivalent to 'Sage' for Firefox (but official and built-in), it can identify itself as Opera, Mozilla, or Internet Explorer (comes in handy), Notes (Kinda like Mac-stickies), Mouse gestures, Voice commands (which I'm actually using and am amazed by), the list goes on. And all of these features built-in and enabled by default without raping your computer's resources (As it stands, right now it's using 21MBs while having the RSS window, the (awsome) download-manager, Mail, Newsgroups, and about 6 windows open (Just made an account at the Opera community forums ). It runs and feels super-fast. You can actually feel the difference between Opera and Firefox. FEEL. And all these features implemented in a really minimalist yet really slick interface that makes it feel uncluttered and super smooth. Give Opera a try. I played around with the free version for an hour, loved it, and whipped out my credit-card (Supporting the cause and what-not). Words cannot describe how much I love this browser. I shall never install another browser ever again. Firefox is dead to me. LONG LIVE THE BIG RED-"O"! Not gonna argue. But MINIMALIST!? That interface is like a third of the screen! I guess it's really a matter of preference. A lot of the stuff you said I know is implemented in Firefox, the rest I'm sure probably is now, or will be. Also, Opera's lack of support for, and difficulties with many html and css constructs makes me shy far away from it.

Author:	Amailer [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:00 pm ]
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Yup, voice commands-- the only thing that intrested me in your whole long paragraph which I indeed read. Explain I used Opera no I which version- didn't like it- didn't like the interface an iunno but I think it was my first tabbed brower that I have used. edit its paied? that means... sigh Iunno, I still like firefox but im gonna give the free opera a shot (once again).

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:08 pm ]
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INFIDEL!!! No, but seriously, I won't use anything without tabbed browsing. I've become addicted to it. No tabbed browsing = no browser. Although voice commands seem pretty cool, if not handy.

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:11 pm ]
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1of42 wrote: Not gonna argue. But MINIMALIST!? That interface is like a third of the screen! WTF? Screenshot time! <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/01.jpg">Shot 1</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/02.jpg">Shot 2</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/03.jpg">Shot 3</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/04.jpg">Shot 4</a> By the way: http://www.opera.com/voice/

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:12 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: INFIDEL!!! No, but seriously, I won't use anything without tabbed browsing. I've become addicted to it. No tabbed browsing = no browser. Although voice commands seem pretty cool, if not handy. It does have tabbed browsing. As proven by my screenshots above. 8)

Author:	Amailer [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:19 pm ]
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Yeah i know it does... Anyhow, i dled it and im using it-- the voice works- it rocks- but the rest of the stuff iunno yet, still life firefox. I still don't like the interface... anyhow I can't get it since its paied and the free version has ads

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:27 pm ]
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You can customize the interface entirely. Hell, you can make it look exactly like Firefox if you're into that sorta thing. It's paid, but talk about bang for your buck. I heart Opera.

Author:	Amailer [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:35 pm ]
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Alright the voice rocks I must say the VOICE is amazing I could use this though out the whole day BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY FRIGGEN WORKS... I eman WOW i added "comp sci" and it auto sends me to this page now... SWEET!!!! i gatta set up teh login and how on earth do i make it click links?

Author:	Martin [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 am ]
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Yo....I'm gonna check this shiznit out.

Author:	wtd [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:49 am ]
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Only one problem... where are the extensions?

Author:	betaflye [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:59 am ]
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I use Opera, Firefox, Internet Explorer and Konqueror, depending on what computer I happen to be sitting in front of. I have likes and dislikes of all of them. Opera is however a solid browser and is available on many platforms, including Windows, OS X, FreeBSD and GNU/Linux.

Author:	Neo [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:10 pm ]
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How do I get it to place the tabs below the address bar like in firefox?

Author:	Mazer [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:30 pm ]
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Author:	1of42 [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Opera Web-browser
Notoroge wrote: 1of42 wrote: Not gonna argue. But MINIMALIST!? That interface is like a third of the screen! WTF? Screenshot time! <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/01.jpg">Shot 1</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/02.jpg">Shot 2</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/03.jpg">Shot 3</a> <a href="http://notoroge.trap17.com/Opera/04.jpg">Shot 4</a> By the way: http://www.opera.com/voice/ Last time I tried it (the free version) the interface was huge. It may have changed since then, but when I (briefly) used it, it was MASSIVE. And if I have to pay for it to get rid of the crappy enormous interface/ads, then I'll stick with Firefox thanks.

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:55 pm ]
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Wtf? Have you seen the little yellow bar that shows-up on the top of a page in Internet Explorer when a pop-up is blocked or when ActiveX is trying to run? That's about the size of the text-ad shown. And as shown in my screenshots, the interface is minimalist. Just about as equal as Firefox, but with a much slicker-theme and better management as to how things are displayed on the screen. You're just full of FUD, arent'cha?

Author:	wtd [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:18 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: You're just full of FUD, arent'cha? No. He's full of bad experiences with prior versions of Opera. It's really hard to overcome years of bad history.

Author:	1of42 [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:19 pm ]
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wtd wrote: No. He's full of bad experiences with prior versions of Opera. It's really hard to overcome years of bad history. Ding Ding Ding We have a winner! Opera may be different now, but I've tried it roughly 3 times in the past, for a bout a month each time, and it never failed to disappoint me. I think I'll stick with Firefox if you don't mind

Author:	Cervantes [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:40 pm ]
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Moi aussi. I'm sure Opera is great and all, but I don't really want to take the time to get to know it and to make things how I want. Besides, I don't want those text ads. Oh yeah, and it actually felt a lot slower to me. For example, it doesn't store images, so whenever I load a new compsci page, it's gotta reload all those "MSN" and "PM" images. What a pain!

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:49 pm ]
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Wtf? It's got much better caching of sites than Firefox. If you hit 'back' or 'forward' it doesn't even send a request to the server. It just fires up the site straight from the cache. And it compares different pages to images that are already sotred in the cache to see if different sites call to the same image. It'll never ever reload an image unless you clear the cache, or hit the 'Refresh' button. I think it's well worth the money.

Author:	Neo [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:53 pm ]
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If you click on an image, say your avatar, the picture becomes transparent then you can drag it around. I just thought that was cool , but whats its purpose? I thought maybe you could drag it into paint or something so you dont have to right click but that doesnt work. BTW its easy to remove the text ads.

Author:	Amailer [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:22 pm ]
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I did some checking on the speed and I can see that firefox is faster... it loads the pages faster (for me at least). I was also testing how fast it loads the images without cache and with cache... firefox is coming up faster http://fs7.deviantart.com/i/2005/170/f/c/Dragon_Fire_Nebula_by_Swaroop.jpg Though.. you are right, when you click back its quicker- but still. EDIT Opera just crash...iunno how, I clicked a link on Devinatart and pff some application error and it crash

Author:	Cervantes [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:27 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: Wtf? It's got much better caching of sites than Firefox. If you hit 'back' or 'forward' it doesn't even send a request to the server. It just fires up the site straight from the cache. And it compares different pages to images that are already sotred in the cache to see if different sites call to the same image. It'll never ever reload an image unless you clear the cache, or hit the 'Refresh' button. 1. That's the third time you've started a post with "Wtf?". It's getting predictable! 2. I figured you would respond with something like that, because I know you're smart enough not to pay for a browser that doesn't do that. But the truth is, that's what it was doing for me. I don't know why. What makes things stranger still is that I loaded it again and now it seems to be caching things. Regardless of whether it will or not in the future, I'm sticking with Firefox. There doesn't appear to be much difference between the two, and I'm comfortable with Firefox. As an aside, how secure is Opera?

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:13 pm ]
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Just about the same as Firefox I would assume. I just love the whole browsing experience better. A whole lot more than Firefox; so much so, that I find it better to pay for it than to use the OSS alternative Mozilla has to offer. One thing I really like is that it doesn't have the bad memory-leaking problems Firefox tends to have.

Author:	Martin [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:09 pm ]
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Dude, just crack it. I mean...uhh.....yeah....

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:40 am ]
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i experimented around with Opera, and yes it is an improvement.. at first i was like woah, its soo much slower than firefox.. but then again.. i tweaked it a bit,, and its screaming fast! really cool! i recommend all high-speed users to do this: go to Tool -> Preferences click the Advanced Tab click Browsing Select "Draw instantly" under "Loading" haha enjoy the speed

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:28 am ]
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rizzix wrote: i experimented around with Opera, and yes it is an improvement.. at first i was like woah, its soo much slower than firefox.. but then again.. i tweaked it a bit,, and its screaming fast! really cool! i recommend all high-speed users to do this: go to Tool -> Preferences click the Advanced Tab click Browsing Select "Draw instantly" under "Loading" haha enjoy the speed I told ya so. I don't know how that little detail escaped me. I had it to redraw after 1 second though, so it did't make that huge of a difference. But all tweaks are welcome.

Author:	Amailer [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:07 am ]
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Still- its like it doesn't use the cache when you load huge images (like a wallpaper) like firefox does- thats why it still takes time to load (for images atleast). Thought I must admit- it loads this site (and other sites) pretty darn fast...o.O Now... does it follow the HTML/CSS and etc rules strictly? or is it like IE? I sitll won't use it oftet because... it has no extensions and i need my extensions.... How do I re-arrange the order that each toolbar is in? Like I want it this way: Address bar Personal bar And page..bar or w/e its called

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:09 am ]
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Yes, it's very standards compliant. Psst:Right-click the top tool-bar and hit 'Customize' a la' Firefox

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:44 am ]
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Notoroge wrote: I told ya so. I don't know how that little detail escaped me. I had it to redraw after 1 second though, so it did't make that huge of a difference. But all tweaks are welcome. Yes 1 sec is the default, but 1 sec is too slow for me, its an unnecessary delay, my connection is pretty darn fast. Either way Firefox's adblock and customize google are far too cool to live without.. heh

Author:	Amailer [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:59 am ]
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Yeah- going to the usual sites I visit... suddenly there are ads o.O I completly forgot that the sites have ads ...thanks to Adblock

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:05 pm ]
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You know there are adblocks for Opera too though, right? Oh man, if you guys are going to get into Opera I know you're going to like this page, http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera I know this'll strike both of your fancies, http://nontroppo.org/wiki/BlockAdvertisements Hint: OperaAdBlock I personally use LuaAdblock

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:48 pm ]
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wow that is nothing in comparison to Firefox's adblock.. pfft. dont even try comparing the two. EDIT: woah, just tried Camino.. really cool! the latest alpha release 0.9a1 is awesome... its fast.. i think its cuz every image is quartz rendered now.. haha.. very cool!! they also re-wrote the entire tab browsing feature.. all those annoying bugs have disappeared. sweet!

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:48 pm ]
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They do the exact same thing. Just that the install is a bit more hands on.

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:23 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: They do the exact same thing. Just that the install is a bit more hands on. what are you refereing to? Camino or the adblock thing.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:30 pm ]
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The blocking of the Ad, yes?

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:31 pm ]
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oh, ok then, does it block iframes and flash ads?

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:02 pm ]
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Maybe, haven't tried. I only block really obtrusive ads, haven't come accross any yet, but when I do, I'll make sure to tell ya. IMO, blocking all ads you see is good exercise in being a freeloading-leech. If a site that you frequent depends on ads for their survival, you'd might as well leave them where they are. Big flash ads though, block those instantly.

Author:	rizzix [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:19 pm ]
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yes a lot of sites i visit are usually news site.. and their ads are plain annoying.. mostly iframes and flash ads.

Author:	Martin [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:46 pm ]
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Opera's good. My problem: so is Firefox, and Firefox's free.

Author:	Amailer [ Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:55 pm ]
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And firefox has extensions... which... is the best part. + I like firefoxs bookmarks

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