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Fahrenheit 9/11...

Author:  templest [ Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:30 pm ]
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Aren't you glad you're not "american"? Sure, our government is as bad as the next, but at least we don't kill people to make us richer.

I specially like the part when Michael Moore attempted to get members of congress to sign their kids to go fight in Iraq, and he managed to convince no one.

Hopefully enough people see this film so that next time, they don't give out their votes so loosly. Confused

I won't bother spewing out endless babble telling you how evil the U.S. is, but I do encourage people to see this movie.

Michael Moore does not care in the least about the prating of this film, and in fact, encourages people to do so, if it means that more people will see it, so long as people don't make economical profit from this film.

You can read Moore's position on all this within this article:
http://www.sundayherald.com/43167

And by all means go to the theatre and watch it, then buy the video. But for whatever reason, if you can't watch this film by those means, since we have Mr. Moore's blessing, I see no problem with posting this link:

http://s2.isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=2238634

You'll get the movie in around 20-40 minutes with a broadband connection.

Author:  Delos [ Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:42 pm ]
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I specially like the part when Roger Moore attempted to get members of congress to sign their kids to go fight in Iraq, and he managed to convince no one.


Yes...we all love that Roger Moore...

The movie rocked. Pay to go see it. It's worth it. (I payed $4.25 at our local crappy cinemas...but the big screen is useful...otherwise you run the risk of throwing something large, heavy, and/or blunt into your computer monitor/TV screen...)

Author:  templest [ Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:12 pm ]
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I didn't repeat the typo later on, so it's safe to assume it was a typo. I have a T.V. in my room, and in my quite ramblings on how much I hate corny commercials, reffering to that ballerina rogers highspeed commercial, I typed "Roger". Razz

Super Templest Typo Skill Go!

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Author:  jonos [ Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:35 pm ]
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Yoyoyo I watched it, er, downloaded it as I am not paying money to support some fat guy make propagandha films. I watched half of the first part of the download and then stopped because it didn't make me laugh like Bowling for Columbine did.

Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not American because everyone would hate me, but then again am I proud that I am Canadian so I can hate myself?

Basically the film spends it's time telling us how bad Bush is and only showing one side of the argument to give the impression that it is the only side. Like where it shows the protesters at his innaugeration. Why did Moore not show the people happy for Bush because there surely was? Maybe it didn't fit his message he was trying to shit on us. Also, Moore uses quotes and facts saying that Bush spent 40% or something of his time on vacation and shows him golfing, cutting wood, etc, but he fails to show all the buildings and trailers on the ranch where Bush has to do work in the morning. This was in Time of course where I read and saw pictures of this.

Also, Moore says that Bush "didn't know what to do" when he learned of the attacks on the Towers, so he just read the book with the kids. Now if Bush had simply just run out of that classroom without meeting the kids, Moore would have probably said that he was a racist because the kids were black, or that Bush didn't have enough time for black kids whose parents were most likely Democrats.

Also, Moore basically says that 9/11 was caused by Bush's lack of meetings and work, but it did not mention the fact that the attacks were being planned well before Bush - during the Clinton era. Now Moore should have said that Clinton should have been paying more attention to terrorists than sticking cigars up Monica Lewinsky's vagina or something of that sort.

I'm feeling dizzy now so I will stop. Maybe I went into watching this with a bad attitude towards Moore and his "documentaries", but I will still urge none of you to go and pay for it to support some fat guy make propagandha films to further his own political agendas. Hell, he can't even rebuke the rebukes that have been rebuked at his own arguments, he has to pay some people.

Author:  Maverick [ Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:35 pm ]
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templest wrote:
Aren't you glad you're not "american"? Sure, our government is as bad as the next, but at least we don't kill people to make us richer.

I specially like the part when Michael Moore attempted to get members of congress to sign their kids to go fight in Iraq, and he managed to convince no one.

Hopefully enough people see this film so that next time, they don't give out their votes so loosly. Confused

I won't bother spewing out endless babble telling you how evil the U.S. is, but I do encourage people to see this movie.

Michael Moore does not care in the least about the prating of this film, and in fact, encourages people to do so, if it means that more people will see it, so long as people don't make economical profit from this film.

You can read Moore's position on all this within this article:
http://www.sundayherald.com/43167

And by all means go to the theatre and watch it, then buy the video. But for whatever reason, if you can't watch this film by those means, since we have Mr. Moore's blessing, I see no problem with posting this link:

http://s2.isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=2238634

You'll get the movie in around 20-40 minutes with a broadband connection.


The d/l didnt work BLAH!

Author:  templest [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:31 pm ]
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Maverick wrote:
The d/l didnt work BLAH!


Really? Do you have a router? If so... there's some ports to you need to open up. It could also be a gross client you use. I use Azureus.

If not, suprnova.org has the original torrent. This one is modified by isohunt in order to serve their own users. Razz . The suprnova one's a little emptier than the isohunt one but it'll still get it to you fast. When I mean "empty" I mean in comparisson, it still has well over 3,000 peers. Wink

The isohunt one has nearly 10,000. Shocked

anyways: http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2042/Fahrenheit911.torrent

Author:  templest [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:37 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
Yoyoyo I watched it, er, downloaded it as I am not paying money to support some fat guy make propagandha films. I watched half of the first part of the download and then stopped because it didn't make me laugh like Bowling for Columbine did.

Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not American because everyone would hate me, but then again am I proud that I am Canadian so I can hate myself?

Basically the film spends it's time telling us how bad Bush is and only showing one side of the argument to give the impression that it is the only side. Like where it shows the protesters at his innaugeration. Why did Moore not show the people happy for Bush because there surely was? Maybe it didn't fit his message he was trying to shit on us. Also, Moore uses quotes and facts saying that Bush spent 40% or something of his time on vacation and shows him golfing, cutting wood, etc, but he fails to show all the buildings and trailers on the ranch where Bush has to do work in the morning. This was in Time of course where I read and saw pictures of this.

Also, Moore says that Bush "didn't know what to do" when he learned of the attacks on the Towers, so he just read the book with the kids. Now if Bush had simply just run out of that classroom without meeting the kids, Moore would have probably said that he was a racist because the kids were black, or that Bush didn't have enough time for black kids whose parents were most likely Democrats.

Also, Moore basically says that 9/11 was caused by Bush's lack of meetings and work, but it did not mention the fact that the attacks were being planned well before Bush - during the Clinton era. Now Moore should have said that Clinton should have been paying more attention to terrorists than sticking cigars up Monica Lewinsky's vagina or something of that sort.

I'm feeling dizzy now so I will stop. Maybe I went into watching this with a bad attitude towards Moore and his "documentaries", but I will still urge none of you to go and pay for it to support some fat guy make propagandha films to further his own political agendas. Hell, he can't even rebuke the rebukes that have been rebuked at his own arguments, he has to pay some people.


Are you an idiot? Wow... I honestly have lost all respect for you. Not only have you managed to make completely rediculous retorts, but you have as well managed to make yourself look like someone who's better off not voting at all, for everyone's sake. Mad

I have no desire to argue with someone who's opinions are as foolish as yours.

Author:  Maverick [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:45 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
Yoyoyo I watched it, er, downloaded it as I am not paying money to support some fat guy make propagandha films. I watched half of the first part of the download and then stopped because it didn't make me laugh like Bowling for Columbine did.

Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not American because everyone would hate me, but then again am I proud that I am Canadian so I can hate myself?

Basically the film spends it's time telling us how bad Bush is and only showing one side of the argument to give the impression that it is the only side. Like where it shows the protesters at his innaugeration. Why did Moore not show the people happy for Bush because there surely was? Maybe it didn't fit his message he was trying to shit on us. Also, Moore uses quotes and facts saying that Bush spent 40% or something of his time on vacation and shows him golfing, cutting wood, etc, but he fails to show all the buildings and trailers on the ranch where Bush has to do work in the morning. This was in Time of course where I read and saw pictures of this.

Also, Moore says that Bush "didn't know what to do" when he learned of the attacks on the Towers, so he just read the book with the kids. Now if Bush had simply just run out of that classroom without meeting the kids, Moore would have probably said that he was a racist because the kids were black, or that Bush didn't have enough time for black kids whose parents were most likely Democrats.

Also, Moore basically says that 9/11 was caused by Bush's lack of meetings and work, but it did not mention the fact that the attacks were being planned well before Bush - during the Clinton era. Now Moore should have said that Clinton should have been paying more attention to terrorists than sticking cigars up Monica Lewinsky's vagina or something of that sort.

I'm feeling dizzy now so I will stop. Maybe I went into watching this with a bad attitude towards Moore and his "documentaries", but I will still urge none of you to go and pay for it to support some fat guy make propagandha films to further his own political agendas. Hell, he can't even rebuke the rebukes that have been rebuked at his own arguments, he has to pay some people.


Clinton was agreat president who led the US through a time of propserity. And its not like hes the first president to cheat on his wife. I cant believe you support Bush Cussing

Author:  templest [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:01 pm ]
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Okay, fück it.. I will.

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I watched half of the first part of the download and then stopped because it didn't make me laugh like Bowling for Columbine did.


The download isn't there to avoid paying, it's for people whom can't pay. ie: you live in a country that won't show it in theatres. And you completely come out by saying the film is non-"likable" because it doesn't make you laugh? I have something shocking to reveal... IT'S NOT A FỮCKING COMEDY!

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Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not American because everyone would hate me, but then again am I proud that I am Canadian so I can hate myself?


A very stupid paradox, and a waste of a paragraph. Actually, It's not even a paradox. Oh my God! Do you have any idea, of what the fück you just said!?

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Why did Moore not show the people happy for Bush because there surely was? Maybe it didn't fit his message he was trying to shit on us.


That was the man's innauguration ceremony! Why didn't you see the supporters to see the man they love becom president? Why only the anti Bushians? Maybe because the people who are against Bush and the techniques he used to win are completely devious? More so than what's to be expected, far out number the supporters. Actually, most of his supporters would rather watch the ceremony from their mansions, on their 200" HD Plasma Screen TV. Rolling Eyes

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Also, Moore uses quotes and facts saying that Bush spent 40% or something of his time on vacation and shows him golfing, cutting wood, etc, but he fails to show all the buildings and trailers on the ranch where Bush has to do work in the morning.


Let me spell this one clearly for you: CUTTING WOOD, IS NOT, THE MAN'S, JOB!

What would your boss think if he hired you to program a database and you spent 40% of your time cleaning the furniture?

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This was in Time of course where I read and saw pictures of this.


Trying to make yourself smart because you read the "TIME" magazine? Reading time is the same thing as reading any other propaganda magazine. Didn't they feature a couple month's ago "The Matrix: Revolutions" on it? Hardly something any serious journalism paper would do. It's all propaganda.

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Also, Moore says that Bush "didn't know what to do" when he learned of the attacks on the Towers, so he just read the book with the kids. Now if Bush had simply just run out of that classroom without meeting the kids, Moore would have probably said that he was a racist because the kids were black, or that Bush didn't have enough time for black kids whose parents were most likely Democrats.


THE COUNTRY,
IS BEING,
ATTACKED.


Get that? One more time...

THE COUNTRY,
IS BEING,
ATTACKED.


If the man ran out like mad, grabbed the first secured jet to Washington and addressed the nation emmiately. Set out investigation teams like mad and got every single fücking national-security team going insane trying to track down who did this, it would be something to applaud, you dolt. Of course, if it was an all black school, and there was nothing to panic for going on, and he just stood up and walked out, yes, that would be racist.

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Also, Moore basically says that 9/11 was caused by Bush's lack of meetings and work, but it did not mention the fact that the attacks were being planned well before Bush - during the Clinton era. Now Moore should have said that Clinton should have been paying more attention to terrorists than sticking cigars up Monica Lewinsky's vagina or something of that sort.


I never recalled Bill Clinton having to deal with any of this. They clearly gave the man papers stating that there was a real praubability that the nation was going to be attacked by means of hijacking. Clinton never receaved such a memo, and if he did, he'd do what he could to defend his nation, rather than send out private, 1st class, jets to "secure" the Bin Laden family. And you're blaming a man for fornicating? Tell me, you've never broken any of the commandments? And if you're not a christian, then tell me, you've NEVER done anything wrong in your LIFE? If so, by all means, condemn the world, if not, shut the fück up.

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I'm feeling dizzy now so I will stop. Maybe I went into watching this with a bad attitude towards Moore and his "documentaries", but I will still urge none of you to go and pay for it to support some fat guy make propagandha films to further his own political agendas. Hell, he can't even rebuke the rebukes that have been rebuked at his own arguments, he has to pay some people.


I detect a slight attempt at wittiness. Oh, wait... YES! There it is! Too bad it's really weak. Mad

I bet you 10 bits that you won't be able to rebuke all of my points, without at least doing some research for one or two points. If you can rebuke any at all. So please, shut the fück up, and stick to posting about what you know, if not, don't.

Author:  Paul [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:14 pm ]
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Clinton was a good president, but no one will remeber him for the good he's done will they?

Author:  valor [ Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:31 pm ]
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Who's Clinton? Laughing Razz Laughing

Author:  octopi [ Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:09 pm ]
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templest wrote:
you've NEVER done anything wrong in your LIFE?



I'll play this like bill clinton
Define wrong.

Author:  Maverick [ Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:04 pm ]
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templest wrote:
Maybe because the people who are against Bush and the techniques he used to win are completely devious?


What are u talking about? Bush didnt "win" He had less votes then Gore.

Author:  the_short1 [ Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:14 pm ]
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Claping Claping Claping Claping Claping Templest Flaming Flaming Flaming Flaming Flaming << that is otehr guy burning..


Bowline for columnbine was PROBALLY NOT MEANT AS A COMMEDY! more like a documentary cuz he was telling lots of facts... like how australia has least deaths /year from guns or w/e...



:shakes head in disgust:...

tempelst.... do u get all red in the face when u start ranting??? hheheheheh

Author:  octopi [ Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:15 pm ]
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Bush did 'win' the presidency.

You don't have to have more votes then your competitor to win the presidency, because thats NOT how it works.

You can't complain after the fact about something. The rules have been defined for over a century.

Author:  blackwhite [ Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:14 pm ]
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aww man, i need to watch this Sad

Author:  templest [ Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:52 pm ]
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Maverick wrote:
templest wrote:
Maybe because the people who are against Bush and the techniques he used to win are completely devious?


What are u talking about? Bush didnt "win" He had less votes then Gore.


That's the whole point. The bastard shouldn't even be president. Confused

Author:  jonos [ Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:35 pm ]
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aww man, i need to watch this

No you don't.

Author:  AsianSensation [ Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:39 pm ]
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uhm, anyone know a place where I can get etext version of the book Fahrenheit 451? I'm too lazy to go to the library and borrow it, and it has a 4 day waiting period.

Author:  the_short1 [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:04 am ]
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i dont know much about american hisory.. cuz really... i think its stupid and unimportant to me..


but.... how did bush win if he had less votes then gore.. ?

Author:  templest [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:41 pm ]
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the_short1 wrote:
i dont know much about american hisory.. cuz really... i think its stupid and unimportant to me..


but.... how did bush win if he had less votes then gore.. ?


So if it's stupid and unimportant, than why do you want to know?

Weather you like it or not, what happens to the U.S. directly affects you, me, hell! it affects everyone everywhere. Think about it, you'll see.

Author:  templest [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:52 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
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aww man, i need to watch this

No you don't.


Why don't you just drop it? Seriously, just, drop it. Don't post in this thread unless you can prove to me that this movie is pure propaganda and that it is in no way a truthful and honest representation of George W. Bush. Unless you can prove otherwise, you have made your opinion extreamely vague, and in my opinion, senselessly derisive. You've honestly proven to me that you are not worth my arguing.

Do you know why I wasted all that time responding to your incongruous previous post? So that others would not commit the sin of taking what you said seriously. Because that, would be a serious shame.

Author:  Martin [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:42 pm ]
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Join us in our war on errorism

Author:  jonos [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:04 pm ]
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Join us in our war on errorism

Damn right.

Am I not worthy because I do not agree? I haven't read what you said and I probably never will. Why should I drop something that obviously needs to be exposed for what it is. Do you need proof?

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

There is your proof.

I did not like the movie. I thought it was boring - basically because I had seen Bush Family Ties in probably 5 other documentaries and didn't have to see it again. Fahrenheit wasn't as entertaining as Bowling which I will admit to enjoying though I still believe it contains many falsehoods.

So go and read that site. At the moment it is at 59 and counting.

Author:  jonos [ Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:28 pm ]
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Oh and by the way, Dave Kopel is a registered democrat but even "moore" (haha) shocking, he endorsed and voted for Ralph Nader - the Green party guy.

Also, be a sport and watch the trailer for this documentary:
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

Author:  Dan [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:29 pm ]
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I have yet to see the movie so i do not know if there are lies in it or not but if there is (witch i am not saying there is) why is every one feraking out about it? the other side (bush) dose such lies and proganed 1000 times more then ever could be done by a sinagl flim. It is funny how every one looks the other way when bush and the goverment dose it but when a perosn who is not directly repsenting a politcal party dose it evey one freaks out.

Hostly i whould not be surpisres if sites like the one jonos posted where aucaly set up by some poltical partys to discredit the flim.

Author:  jonos [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:01 pm ]
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The big deal with film is that it is by someone who is not part of a political party who is trying to influence the vote in any way he can. And the proof is there to show that he is more interested in shock factor than straight facts. The danger of a film like this are people who will automatically take something as fact when really what they saw was either a) out of context b) distortion c) entirely false.

The funny thing about this is also that 6/8 months ago the Democratic party did not want to be affiliated with Moore but as soon as election time comes around they want to endorse him and use his film against Bush.

Author:  templest [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:55 am ]
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jonos wrote:
when really what they saw was either a) out of context b) distortion c) entirely false.


Prove it.

Author:  Paul [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:34 am ]
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I admit, the golf scene did look a bit shifty for me to wholeheartedly believe it.

Author:  Dan [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:00 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
The big deal with film is that it is by someone who is not part of a political party who is trying to influence the vote in any way he can. And the proof is there to show that he is more interested in shock factor than straight facts. The danger of a film like this are people who will automatically take something as fact when really what they saw was either a) out of context b) distortion c) entirely false.

The funny thing about this is also that 6/8 months ago the Democratic party did not want to be affiliated with Moore but as soon as election time comes around they want to endorse him and use his film against Bush.


Ummm, as i side so what? All patrtys try to make them vote for them by any means. i do not see why poleop are making a big deal about it when poltical partys have been doing this for years and the only dif is that he is not direcly sporting one party.

Any how i find it very hard to blive that there are many lies if any in it if it is a documentry. All of mores other work has been very crediabl and true so i whould give him the benfit of the dount when the bush goverment is know liers.


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