Hmm, sounds like a good place to go and load up for the summer.
Computer Science Canada Fill The Hill 2004 |
| Author: | PaddyLong [ Fri May 28, 2004 12:10 pm ] |
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huge rally on Parliament Hill on June 5 there's busses from cities in Ontario.. check the website for details www.fillthehill.ca even if you're not a pot smoker, I encourage you to be a little open minded and visit the website to read about the objectives I'll be there for sure... if anyone else is going, maybe we can meet up there |
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| Author: | templest [ Fri May 28, 2004 3:24 pm ] |
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Hmm, sounds like a good place to go and load up for the summer. |
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| Author: | guruguru [ Fri May 28, 2004 4:04 pm ] |
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Haha that's funny... I'm just imagining the crowd. They're all gonna be stoned when they get there LOL. |
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| Author: | naoki [ Fri May 28, 2004 7:22 pm ] |
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I'd imagine they'd either mess up the directions and storm a convenience store looking for food, or fall asleep on the bus on the way there Either way, people who smoke the Mary Jane typically aren't the brightest individuals, and certainly won't give intelligent reasons to their action. I mean, they're prolly gonna cause a whole lotta ruckus with their screaming and protesting of "We like weed! Fulfill our need!" or something stupid along those lines. It'd take some damn good arguments from some big shot professor of medicine or law to convince Parliament, not some 21 year olds wanting to keep that nickel bag they spent their hydro money on. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Mon May 31, 2004 6:57 pm ] |
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ouch. looks like you're the only one going paddy. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:36 pm ] |
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how disappointing  oh well .. not my loss 8) |
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| Author: | Raugrist [ Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:32 pm ] |
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... unless a riot somehow starts and you get arrested/trampled/shot.  |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:59 am ] |
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except for that's not gonna happen... I really don't see a riot starting at a pot protest here's a few quotes for you naysayers to consider ... hopefully it will open your mind to the fact that the amount of money that's being wasted on the criminalization of marijuana is totally pointless, which is what this rally is about "The annual cost of drug enforcement in Canada is estimated to be between $700 million and $1 billion...The cost of prosecuting drug offences in 2000-2001 was $57 million with approximately $5 million...relating to prosecuting cannabis possession offences"-Report of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs 2002 "Continued criminalization of cannabis undermines the fundamental values set out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms"-Report of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs 2002 The Le Dain Commission & the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs both concluded "that criminalization of cannabis had no scientific bases" -Report of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs 2002 |
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| Author: | templest [ Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:27 am ] |
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Weed makes everyone that tries it happy, and sociable. Which is a lot less than you can say for alcohol. I personally do say that the criminalization of marijuana is fairly stupid. Alcohol does a lot worse for you than marijuana, hell... cigarettes are worse. Plus, if you legalize it, the government has more control over the "industry" and can therefor moderate it so that you don't have all these shooting and crap. Same goes for cocaine, prostitution, ect. If the government regulated all of these things appropriately, this would be a better country. But if you just ban it, It's just more of an incentive to make people want to try these things out. Like the forbidden fruit, "I'm not allowed to try it, so let's prove that we can get it no matter what they say" and then you have newbies at snorting coke running around ODing because they wheren't properly taught how to inhale it, or how much. But if it's freely available, and moderated, then I'll just be like alcohol or pizza, regular things. It's human nature, "People want what they can't have" or "The grass is always greener on the other side" (in this case, literally. ) |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:56 am ] |
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yeah that's exactly it templest... instead of losing money by punishing people for doing something they're gonna do regardless of what the government tells them, the government might as well legalize it and take control of it like they have with alcohol and tobacco. plus pot is not nearly as bad for you or those around you as either of these two. you're likely not gonna get stoned and pick a fight with someone when you're stoned, you tend to drive a lot slower and be a lot more cautious, so you're likely not gonna cause too many accidents no studies have shown anything about getting cancer of any kind from smoking pot |
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| Author: | Dauntless [ Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:04 am ] |
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I don't agree with that philosophy either; just because people want it doesn't mean we should regulate it so we can make money off of it. Here's my reasoning: By extension, society frowns on drug use, but you propose to legislate it, since people only want what they can't have. Society also frowns on child pornography and we definitely shouldn't legislate that. Sure, its forbidden fruit, so perves are gonna want it, but that doesn't mean we should give it to them. To paraphrase, Instead of losing money by punishing people for making, distributing and watching child pornography, which they're gonna do regardless of what the government tells them, the government might as well legalize it and take control of it like they could with marijuana. That's how I see your approach to legalization. I'm not against it, but like usual I'm opposed to people doing things for the wrong reason. |
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| Author: | templest [ Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:11 am ] |
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Dauntless wrote: I don't agree with that philosophy either; just because people want it doesn't mean we should regulate it so we can make money off of it. Here's my reasoning:
By extension, society frowns on drug use, but you propose to legislate it, since people only want what they can't have. Society also frowns on child pornography and we definitely shouldn't legislate that. Sure, its forbidden fruit, so perves are gonna want it, but that doesn't mean we should give it to them. To paraphrase, Instead of losing money by punishing people for making, distributing and watching child pornography, which they're gonna do regardless of what the government tells them, the government might as well legalize it and take control of it like they could with marijuana. That's how I see your approach to legalization. I'm not against it, but like usual I'm opposed to people doing things for the wrong reason. No, because there are differences between the nature of the act. When you fuck a 6 year old, It's a crime against the kid, their faminly, your city, the country, everything that makes us human. When you smoke a joint, it's the same as consuming alcohol. Smoke 2 grams of marijuana, and the next day take 6 shots of vodka. Then tell me if you feel any difference between the two. Except the fact that marijuana won't give you a hangover, make you vomit, or fuck over your liver if you do too much. I don't think you want beer outlawed, but by that nature, why outlaw the marijuana? It's the same shit. I honestly find no logic in it being banned and alcohol not. |
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| Author: | Dauntless [ Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:06 pm ] |
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I don't oppose the legalization of marijuana, but I oppose your logic, and people who support good things for the wrong reason. I was attacking your reasoning that "people are always going to want what the government won't let them, so just give them what they want". And I understand your argument; there isn't any reason that alcohol and tobacco shouldn't be illegal any more than marijuana. But my view is that cigarettes and alcohol became accepted and ingrained in our society because of laxness and ignorance of the true harm of it. If we allow marijuana to be legalized and popularized, it could go the way of alcohol and cigarettes. Are you a big fan of alcoholics and smokers? Or alcohol and cigarettes? In a few years, maybe people will be moving to legalize a different drug, citing how alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana are legal, and then it'll just keep going from there. Marijuana is the supposed gateway drug, but my forecast gives that a whole different meaning. |
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| Author: | jonos [ Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:13 am ] |
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Do not give in to the anarchists who want marijuana legalized!!! I agree with Dauntless, except that he said that he doesn't oppose its legalization so I'm getting confused because 2 paragraphs after that he says he doesn't like it. Hmph. |
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| Author: | SuperGenius [ Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:49 pm ] |
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templest wrote: When you smoke a joint, it's the same as consuming alcohol.
Not true. If you were to buy your marijuana, it is possible that you could be funding organized crime, and they could use the money to support more evil things, like prostitution. Also, marijuana contains carcionigens. |
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| Author: | the_short1 [ Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:16 pm ] |
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fucking cigarettes... they ruin ur WHOLE life,,,, its to dam fucking hard to quite,,,, and the second hard smoke causes lots of fucked up things... too much cancer.. also... they make u STINK! and cost so much fucking money,.,,, if u start smoking at age 18... by the time u are 40 << by that time u mite get enough strenth to stop... u have already lost AT LEAST 200, 000 $$$$ what would u buy with 200,000 $$$???? i woul have put it in a bank so i could retire at age 40... like FUCK!! marijuanna... do u get adicted to it?? NO! does it cause harm to ppl around u ? NO! i think cigaretes should be regulated more! stop kids from smoking! majuanna... = GOOD!! decriminalize saves money! that money saved can go towards SCHOOL! and buy better comps for Compsci! or better mice... or in asiansensations words: ur school should stop being cheap and buy optical mice!! ;P |
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| Author: | jonos [ Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:39 pm ] |
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Marijuana actually is addicted (and I have a living source for this) but the level of addictiveness is probably different for different people. |
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| Author: | SuperGenius [ Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:51 pm ] |
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the_short1 wrote: marijuanna... do u get adicted to it?? NO! does it cause harm to ppl around u ? NO! i think cigaretes should be regulated more! stop kids from smoking! majuanna... = GOOD!! the first two points i disagree with, because you can tell that some people smoke it way too much, and eventually they could get their friends to start doing it too. The next point i agree with. Why pay tons of money for a long, smelly, painfull death? The last point i also disagree with, because like I said, some people you can tell smoke too much and it turns them into a dumbass. |
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| Author: | the_short1 [ Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:01 pm ] |
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yea... welll whats harder to quite? Majuana... or cigarettes... thats what i mean not geting adicted... by smoking a joint... it does not DIRECTLY harm othes (eg. second hand smoke)* acually.... i enjoy it when others smoke pot by me... smells nice.... although if u dont know that they smoking a joint... *say ur nose is pluged... then when u get home ur parents ground u cause u smell like it... that would suck..! u can quit mnarijuana more freely.! |
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| Author: | SuperGenius [ Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:40 pm ] |
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it is possible for people to be 'more addicted' to cigarettes because they area accepted in public places (at least outdoors), whereas pot isn't, so people wouldnt smoke as much pot as tobacco, and because they smoke less they are less addicted. True story: someone lit up a joint on the bus today, and when the busdriver smelt it he pulled over and yelled for them to throw it out the window, and to smarten up. I think that he thought it was just tobacco though. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:52 am ] |
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the_short1 wrote: by smoking a joint... it does not DIRECTLY harm othes (eg. second hand smoke) ummm, i am not shure where you are geting your info but most joints are = to 1 pack for ciggertes for lungcaser casuing stuff. So i whould think they whould be just as bad for poleop around you. |
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| Author: | SuperGenius [ Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:35 pm ] |
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dan is right. It varies but i believe that a joint has more carcinogens then a cigarette. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:30 am ] |
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no dan you're wrong. a joint does not = 1 pack of cigarettes as far as cancer and shit is concerned. you must be pretty fuckin ignorant to believe that what's so fucking hard abotu the fact that in a joint there's one thing (unless you mixed some cigarette tobacco in wtih it): pot, marijuna, bud, dope whatever you wanna call it ... it's a plant. there's been ZERO cases of people getting lung cancer from smoking pot. now look at what's in a pack of cigarettes... you got tobacco (obviously), acetoin, ammonia, arsenic, cyanide, cloroform, DDT, methanol, nicotine, the list goes on as you've all heard a thousand times before. but the point I'm trying to make is that you'd have to be some kind of an idiot to think a natural plant like marijuna is more likely to cause you harm than these manufactured concoctions that are cigarettes. the thing that pisses me off is how ignorant and willing to believe this bull shit the government and others are feeding you without doing any research as to what the other side has to say. obviously both sides will have their biasses, but you can at least do some reading and see what they have to say and make your own judgement rather than just believing the first or worst thing you hear. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:20 pm ] |
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idk i blive it b/c it makes sceen. also the only poleop who are iggnorent are thos that need drugs like that to have fun. i just do not see how useing checnicals to mess with your brian is a good thing. the facts are it will casue cancer where u whont to blive that or not and it is a gateway drug. And there is no way it could be a good thing to do that to your mine. How could messesing with the chemaicals in your brina so much that it impaers your jugement be good in any way unless u are deing and need to get away from realty? Also i think the govemnt is a litte more cerdiable sorce for infromation. They gain nothing from baning durgs other then stoping poleop from messing them sevles over and need health care. If they made all durgs legal the goverment could make millions taxing it and conrting the legal disrubution. So i do not think they have any reason to lie about such things. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:42 pm ] |
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it's not that we NEED them to have fun, it just makes whatever you're doing that much more enjoyable. actually the government has admitted to bull shit testing back in the 60's and 70's ... such as suffocating lab monkeys in way more smoke than a human would smoke. and you're right the government could make a lot of money if they legalized it all and taxed it... which in my opinion would be a far better choice than the millions they're spending annually on trying to keep it illegal. (THE WHOLE POINT OF FILL THE HILL if you actually took the time to read some of the stuff on the site). there are no long term health problems associated with pot use. things like short term memory loss or reduced sperm count and other things you hear about are only evident while you are actively using the drug. you want to restore your short term memory to full, just quit smoking for a while and it'll come back. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:46 pm ] |
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why not just hit your head agested a wall till u get brain damge? durgs have the same effect just the brain damage is not primint (some times). And i whould consider canser a long term helth problem, when u soke things u ushely get the same issues that go along with cigerents. |
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| Author: | the_short1 [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:14 pm ] |
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smoke a maple leaf.... u mite get a buzz (i have not tested this theory.. just first leaf that came up).. and not illigal.... and guess what... that shouldn';t make u get canacer or anything... cuz it 100% natural... its cellulose.... no different that inhalling smoke from campfire... pot is also natural... so it shouldn't be much different the only time pot is a gateway drug is for sore losers... loners.. and just dumbasses..stupid ppl.... really... like comon,... uif u have any brain at all.. u would keep out of harder shit (like coke etc) cuz u know its not good for u... and u would know whats going on... and u would have brains to stop or w/e.... someone that is smart.. has friends etc.. would smoke pot to have more fun.. not all the time.. but sometimes pot just makes things funner/./.. like skateboarding while yur stoned.. thats fun im shure... POT = NATURAL cancer comes from EVERYTHIGN... but.. CIGARETS have tons of CHEMICALS which make chances of cancer go up like 75%.. just to varify... i HAVE smoked pot.. (like 15 times) with friends... so i can talk about it .. and know it... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:52 pm ] |
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Ummm, you do know cigeretes come from a plant as well.... and no mater what u smoke it puts crap in your loungs with is not good at all. and u talk about it only is a gae way durg for stuiped poleop but in my option u have to be prity stuided to be doing drugs in the 1st place.... |
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| Author: | octopi [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:07 pm ] |
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15 times, thats baby shit, I did it like 5 times in the last week. Pot is as bad as alcohol, or less worse. Here is my reasons. (These apply to me, and most my friends, maybe not you) When I drink, I usually want to smoke a cigar or two. So, I'm getting the liver damage etc...from drinking, plus the cancer, etc from the smoking. When I smokeup, I don't want to smoke a cigar. So, I get a little cancer from smoking the pot, but no added cancer from other shit. Also when I smoke up, things get ALOT funnier then when I drink, which makes for a better time, like last week, I smoked this stuff from my friend's dad, it was pretty good, anyways.....I was at my friends house and he was on msn, and I came and sat down at the computer, and I just started laughing, I don't know why, I just did, and then things just got funnier, and funnier, and I kept laughing, and couldn't stop. Ya....it was a wild night! I dunno, out of all my friends, I think I'm the only one who prefers pot over alcohol, I dunno....everyone always likes alcohol. (I do however like vodka, I can now just pour about four straight shots or so, into a glass, and drink it as if it was water, without any messed up face, or shit(Its something I'm proud of)) but pots the best. Therefore: smoking pot is better then drinking (and cheaper) Q.E.D. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:08 pm ] |
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Hehe... smoking a maple leaf... well its a fact that BBQing can increase your chance of cancer, but you don't see us stopping that do you? and cancer doesn't come from everything, its just uncontrolled cell reproduction due to something going haywire in your genes that start / stop cell division. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:08 pm ] |
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uhh dan... cigarettes aren't just a plant... like I said, in a joint you've got your pot (and maybe a little bit of cigarette to help it burn better). in a cigarette you've got your tobacco plus all those other nasty chemicals. |
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| Author: | the_short1 [ Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:22 pm ] |
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i was just saying it comes from 'everything'; as an expression... cuz u can get it from so many things... (BBqing... serious? hahahah!.. see what i mean... meh... i dont smoke pot.. i not a stoner... i know 15 tims aint much... but meh.. i drink.,.,. i prefer booze overr pot ANYDAY..... |
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| Author: | Paul [ Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:40 pm ] |
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Yea... BBQing, the black stuff, carbon or something to do with it. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:48 pm ] |
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Paul Bian wrote: Yea... BBQing, the black stuff, carbon or something to do with it.
And carbon is in anything organick and most things that burn well. |
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| Author: | the_short1 [ Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:49 pm ] |
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creasil.... that prob it.. |
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