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Is Windows a virus?

Author:  Martin [ Mon May 10, 2004 12:01 am ]
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No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do:



* They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that.



* Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as they do so - okay, Windows does that.



* Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay, Windows does that too.



* Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with valuable programs and systems. Sigh... Windows does that, too.



* Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. Yup, that's with Windows, too.



Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental differences:Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature.



Therefore, Windows is not a virus.

Author:  Delos [ Mon May 10, 2004 6:45 pm ]
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U r the 1337ness!

That was...[sigh]...beautiful.

Yes, I know, all talk from me and yet I still use M$Win...why? I'm too lazy to switch over to Mac/Penguins etc

Author:  jonos [ Mon May 10, 2004 6:59 pm ]
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We all must conform. I agree with you on all points, but Windows is still the most user friendly to stupid people. I'm not sure about that verse Mac though.

Author:  Cervantes [ Fri May 14, 2004 6:46 pm ]
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windows blows. I am disgusted

Author:  jonos [ Fri May 14, 2004 6:48 pm ]
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Well, then OS-X swallows.

Author:  guruguru [ Sat May 15, 2004 5:15 pm ]
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I agree whole-heartedly with Jonos Twisted Evil .

Author:  greenapplesodaex [ Sat May 15, 2004 6:03 pm ]
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hehe, did some one tried to compair win with mac? hehe, there's a video called "mac kills my inner child", it's so funny, you should watch it

Author:  jonos [ Sat May 15, 2004 9:42 pm ]
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Would I be able to find it on the net? Or would I have to go on Kazaa or something...

Author:  Martin [ Sun May 16, 2004 12:24 am ]
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Everyone, install linux! Not a stupid rpm distro though, go with debian! Or...if you're feeling like a challenge, give gentoo a shot.

Author:  Catalyst [ Sun May 16, 2004 1:40 am ]
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linux is fun! (gentoo is difficult Mad)
too bad they dont have pci dsl modem drivers (they dont seem to exist)
so im stuck on windows

Author:  jonos [ Sun May 16, 2004 11:15 am ]
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I can have Linux, but I have an onboard lan card so I can't have internet with it. I use Knoppix because I download too much but it kindof sucks because it's slow (because it's off a cd-rom) and I can't have the internet. I have slackware downloaded though and I like that, I just have to buy a new computer for it.

Author:  the_short1 [ Sun May 16, 2004 11:51 am ]
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yea... whoever said ms blows.... well.... ur using it aren't u??? then oviously its not that bad cuz otherwise u would switch..



hahahhah funny virus / non virus speech... me like... that was great....


the reason all those others suck.,... is like it was said.... the drives dont exist... thats rite... windows is the most compatible and user friendly peice of shit software Laughing..... its buggy... but so are all OS's.... so ... deal with it... u dont like MS.... then MAKE UR OWN !!! :finger: hahahahahah..... WAIT I GOT THAT EMOTION!!!!!!! dan wont upload it to compsci... but i can do it myself Razz
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen. ehhehehheheh
Twisted Evil ehhehehehehhehhehehehhehehehehehehhe

Author:  Mazer [ Sun May 16, 2004 1:50 pm ]
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the_short1 wrote:
yea... whoever said ms blows.... well.... ur using it aren't u??? then oviously its not that bad cuz otherwise u would switch..

No, there are many reasons not to switch. Some of them being:
- you share the computer with people who are too stupid to use Linux
- you started a project with Windows and due to limited time, you can't switch until it's done
There are lots more, but my point is that my main point is that I'd be on Linux if it weren't for the other people who use this computer (God, please get me a laptop). And yes, Microsoft really is that bad.

the_short1 wrote:
thats rite... windows is the most compatible and user friendly peice of shit software

...
Oh sorry, I fell on the floor laughing at that. Man, typing sure is slow when you have one hand on your forehead in the shape of an 'L'.

the_short1 wrote:
Laughing..... its buggy... but so are all OS's.... so ... deal with it... u dont like MS.... then MAKE UR OWN !!!

*sigh* That's the idea behind Linux.

the_short1 wrote:
hahahahahah..... WAIT I GOT THAT EMOTION!!!!!!! dan wont upload it to compsci... but i can do it myself

See, if I were using a Microsoft program (that is, IE) I'd be looking at your stupid pciture right now. Luckily, OS software saves the day again.

Author:  the_short1 [ Sun May 16, 2004 6:47 pm ]
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os software???

firefox rips... i blocked lots of pics already... Smile

welll go ahead and laugh... laughing is good for u am im glad i got u to laugh ur ass off...

'thats rite... windows is the most compatible and user friendly peice of shit software' notice how i called it a peice of shit... cuz it is at times... well... lots of times.... but simple... if i had linux..,. i coulnd't run some of my cool progies.... also... i would be unable to posible install all my HD... so... that is why i said that.... ***also i sumed up what others had said about it bing user friend and compatibility... well.. w/e.,,.

Author:  jonos [ Sun May 16, 2004 7:30 pm ]
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If more things were made for Linux then it would be more widely used.

Linux does have some good things though. OpenOffice is just as good as Word, the games are awesome and better than windows games, it's got some cool eye things that follow your mouse, etc. I'm not sure what the command line has because I'm stupid and haven't explored that yet.

Author:  Andy [ Sun May 16, 2004 7:34 pm ]
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[mod:31b4208513]get off your butts and get lindows ppl[/mod:31b4208513]

Author:  Mazer [ Sun May 16, 2004 8:01 pm ]
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the_short1 wrote:
also... i would be unable to posible install all my HD...

If you can't install a hard drive with Linux, maybe you should just step away from your computer, because it's insanely simple to do if you have half a brain and the ability to read.

jonos wrote:
If more things were made for Linux then it would be more widely used.

http://www.linux.org/apps/index.html
I dare you to not find something you need.

When I installed Mandrake Linux, I wondered why it came on 3 CDs while Windows came with one. Here's why: Microsoft sells you an insanely expensive operating system. That's about it. Linux offers you a free operating system, and in the case of Mandrake 10, a whole shitload of software (don't worry, you only install what you want).

dodge_tomahawk wrote:
get off your butts and get lindows ppl

Who could possibly take something as great as Linux and mix it with Windows? It's like being forced to do calculus in computer science. Actually, something you might like to know... since that old guy at Massey is retiring, Ms. Zeiba will be filling in as the enriched calculus teacher next year. Have fun.

Author:  jonos [ Sun May 16, 2004 9:05 pm ]
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I should have phrazed it differently... I meant stuff like games and programs that are needed for school.

Author:  Dan [ Sun May 16, 2004 11:36 pm ]
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well linux is great but i am having a hell of a time geting it on my newish laptop.

it has some new stuff in it that there are no liunx dirvers for yet, when i put the install cd in and try to install stuff it dose not even boot to the instaler.

oh well, the last time i tryed was like 1 week after i got it so may be some poleop are working and making thous drivers.

Author:  the_short1 [ Mon May 17, 2004 4:00 pm ]
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whooopz.....

the_short1 wrote:
also... i would be unable to posible install all my HD...

i meant hardware instead of HD... of course installing Hd is simple..,.

ive heard some ppl complain that they cant use linux or w/e cuz their hardware didn't work...

Author:  templest [ Mon May 17, 2004 4:28 pm ]
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heh, what's curious is that it all makes sense. Windows actualy seems more like a virus every new release.

I for one, am awaiting with anticipation the arrival of my new PowerBook G4, With 17'' Monitor, and... *sexy* OS X.

Can't you tell? *points out his avatar & sig*

EDIT: Drivers can be a whore, specially Vid & Sound cards. And then some secondary stuff like MP3 Players, or Digi'Cams. But most of your basic system should run just fine. Isn't the new 2.6.x kernel out now? With supposed support for newer hardware? 2.4.x is pretty outdated. Confused

Author:  jonos [ Mon May 17, 2004 6:58 pm ]
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You know, I've been thinking about switching to Mac lately, but I have never really used it so I don't know what it is like.

Author:  the_short1 [ Mon May 17, 2004 8:10 pm ]
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the one time taht i used mac was in the lobby for Science North they had some comps and i wanted to check email..... OMG it was messed..... i hate the mice... BADLY.... keyboard was way too weird...... i would not use it.... i would consider linux tho... but NOT mac..... plus lots of games that i have seen are not MAC compatiple... also oither kinds of software too...

Author:  jonos [ Mon May 17, 2004 8:29 pm ]
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I'd still keep a PC with Windows on it though. And another one for Linux. I'd like to have 3 computers one day: one for Windows and common programs and games, one for Linux and screwing around, and one for Mac shiz.

Author:  the_short1 [ Mon May 17, 2004 9:35 pm ]
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good ideas jonos..... may i ask.... WHY IS UR SIG ALL * ?? also.... why u change from iframes one?


yea... well i wish windows update driver search acually worked worth a SHIT... it has NEVER found a single thing for me of all the hardware ive ever searched... but that is why their is driverguide.com <<they didn;t have my latest driver that i looked for but have had others that i needed.... but they had a link to company download page... so i found one..... errr... windows 98 need more drivers **when u press sarch obnline DB as well... as Hd

Author:  jonos [ Mon May 17, 2004 9:37 pm ]
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Drives are confusing. That's why I don't really worry about them. My friend just gets them and then passes me on to them.

My signature is a whole line of fscks.

Author:  templest [ Mon May 17, 2004 10:28 pm ]
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You would be surprised as to how well a Mac can emulate an x86, in turn:Windows, and run all of it's applications. Virtual PC is your friend in that case. You can run any game just as fine with it.

And the keyboard layout | Mouse is different, so is the operating system and architecture. You'd think it'd be hard to get used to after using a regular PC for so long, eh?

There's a newly released PPC emulator that let's you install Mac OS X on it for Windows, if you want to give it a go. Note it's pre-BETA, and first released about a week ago. It's slow as hell, but it'll let you fiddle with the environment and get a sort of hint as to what the actual Mac is like. I wouldn't dissmiss one so quickly.

Ohh, and you can buy any USB mouse and use it in Mac (with all the buttons enabled), if you don't like the single-clicker mouse. I personally like it, it's damned sexy. And the OS looks a crap load more sexy and feels more sexy to use. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

OS X is BSD based anyways, so you can run all your Linux apps natively on a Mac if you want. You probably ran an OS 8 or OS 9 system, in which case, yeah, OS X has come a long way.

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ <- Incase you want to try the emulator out.

Author:  rizzix [ Mon May 17, 2004 10:54 pm ]
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the_short1 wrote:
the one time taht i used mac was in the lobby for Science North they had some comps and i wanted to check email..... OMG it was messed..... i hate the mice... BADLY.... keyboard was way too weird...... i would not use it.... i would consider linux tho... but NOT mac..... plus lots of games that i have seen are not MAC compatiple... also oither kinds of software too...



look i've used a mac and i'm still using it. as a matter of fact almost all the time. (the only time i dunt use a mac is when i need to play games heh. Also i own a cube (*classic* heh), nywyz my point is its an old mac 450mhz, so if i really need the speed then i switch to my 2ghz pc to do what ever i need to do)

and a mac can be a lot more productive os than windows.. cuz the apps if not many are a 1000x better than those u will find for windows.

the only way u'll ever know how good a mac really is, is by actually buying one and trying it out.

Author:  the_short1 [ Tue May 18, 2004 3:46 pm ]
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i dont have the money nor would i want to spend money buying a computer that i couln't use very well.........


fact is..... ok they have their charms for some.... i think ill stick to windows 98..... and when i get a good new comp... im making it run windows 98 NOT xp.... because ive used xp... and each time i though it sucked ROYALY.... u cant do thngs manually enough... and alll those dam anoying pop up windows and crap.... ! ill stick to 98... plus 98 is faster .... without all that CRAP ..... and wehre would comps be without being able to play DOS GAMEs...!!!! they ROCK!

Author:  Mazer [ Tue May 18, 2004 4:14 pm ]
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Oh for sure. And you gotta love that BSOD.

Author:  templest [ Tue May 18, 2004 5:13 pm ]
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fact is..... ok they have their charms for some.... i think ill stick to windows 98..... and when i get a good new comp... im making it run windows 98 NOT xp.... because ive used xp... and each time i though it sucked ROYALY.... u cant do thngs manually enough... and alll those dam anoying pop up windows and crap.... ! ill stick to 98... plus 98 is faster .... without all that CRAP ..... and wehre would comps be without being able to play DOS GAMEs...!!!! they ROCK!


What the hell are you doing in a CompSci forum if you can't fix such inane issues with the Operating System? At least you should ask for help or something, instead of just dismissing it.

XP destroys Windows 98, entirely. 110%, raped. Windows 98 vs. Windows XP is like me trying to take on 1000 lions bare fist, accordingly. It's lame to even try to attempt to make anyone believe Windows 98 is better than XP, get over it.

Mac's have a damn sexy interface. Much more smooth and fluent than a Windows box. OS X 10.3 (Panther) is based off of BSD *nix, and therefor, can run pretty much anything *nix you throw at it. *SHOCK*. Shocked Shocked

Aside from that, there's a CRAP load of software for you to chose from to work on Macs that do the same thing for it, and perform better too. Every app you can throw at me, I can find a good equivalent for a Mac, or BSD|*nix. Which might in fact, out perform whatever Windows app you have.

x86 Emulators for Macs are everywhere. Do a quick google of it and see for yourself. It's not hard at all to get counter-strike running on a Mac Box.

Hell, even Microsoft writes apps for OS X. That's sorta saying saying something. Stop the Mac bashing.
"Where is the love?"

Author:  Paul [ Tue May 18, 2004 5:26 pm ]
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lol, however u CAN say that win98 is better than winME,
computer crashes on winXP: 5
computer crashes when I had win98: way more than I can count.

Author:  Andy [ Tue May 18, 2004 5:29 pm ]
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its called get linspire or a windows emulator

Author:  greenapplesodaex [ Tue May 18, 2004 5:44 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
Would I be able to find it on the net? Or would I have to go on Kazaa or something...


there are things called "search sites" you know Laughing
here:
http://www.myjokemail.com/videos/Macintosh.shtml

Author:  Dan [ Tue May 18, 2004 5:50 pm ]
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From what i have seen win xp crashes less then 98 for me but when xp crashs it crashes a hell of a lot harder then 98 and screws more things up.

Author:  jonos [ Tue May 18, 2004 7:33 pm ]
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I've never had WinXP crash so maybe you people are just idiots.

Author:  the_short1 [ Tue May 18, 2004 8:45 pm ]
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WHAT THE HELL... i didn;t say i cant fix issues with the comp... hell ive fixed my comp from nothing back up like a dozen times...


i HATE how automatic winxp is.. not enugh CONTROL on that OS... that is why i dislike

it....... WHOA... dont go all MAC defensive on me.... Its a good OS... but i will stick to windows... or linux........ i know win98 is not BETTEr then winzp for capabilities and w/e.. but its better in its own ways.... and likej dan says... when windows 98 crashes... its ez as hell to fix... either install windows 98 OVEr ur ur current comp.... or u format and isntall again....


i dont want other software that is as good or BETTER then the software i am using.. i thouroughly enjoy the software that i am using at the moment and dont want to switch...
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Author:  rizzix [ Tue May 18, 2004 9:02 pm ]
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jonos wrote:
I've never had WinXP crash so maybe you people are just idiots.



or maybe.. u dun't hammer the OS like we do with 50000+ installed apps hehe (specially daemons and servers)

for some reason my mac can manage quite a load.. although its a 450mhz hmmm. thats a unix/linux trait though.. well if u inherit the unix.. u inherit it's power as well. Wink

Author:  rizzix [ Tue May 18, 2004 9:05 pm ]
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you know.. the classic mac os sucks like hell. it really can't manage even an average load.. but i guess the only distinguishing feature of that would be its elegant interface heh..

in comparism.. osx is a beast.. a "tiger" to be more precise.. waiting for 10.4

Author:  jonos [ Tue May 18, 2004 9:51 pm ]
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I was on the Mac site and it said with processors up to 2 GHz or something like that. What is so special about that, because the one I have now is 2.6. Or is Mac just faster by design?

Author:  the_short1 [ Wed May 19, 2004 6:34 am ]
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like how fast is that g5 or w/e that was on the commercial for the FASTEST mac ever
?

Author:  jonos [ Wed May 19, 2004 6:40 am ]
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I think that was also around only 2 GHz.

Author:  Andy [ Sat May 22, 2004 1:57 pm ]
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didnt it have dual processors or sumtin?


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