Computer Science Canada

what school did u learn turing in?

Author:  alastor_god [ Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:50 pm ]
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i go to st.basil in toronto and we use turing here.
im in grade ten and i just started the course about a month ago.
at the beggining it was damn boring cuz we did flow charts but now were getting into turing and i think it kinda sucks cuz all we do now is use the put statements
i guess it will get better one we start using variables

Author:  Asok [ Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:46 pm ]
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I go to Metro Prep.

Turing pretty much sucks in general, but it's decent as a beginner language.

Author:  Ancalagon The Black [ Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:59 pm ]
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St. Mary's in Woodstock. Turing is the first language that I've learned. It was introduced to me last year in grade nine in the Tech Orientation course. That course covers intros for all the tech courses so I only really got a taste last year Razz. Anyways now im learning more about it in the full programming course. Usually lots of "put" statements are in any basic Turing program unless it's all pics. Oh, wait all Turing programs are basic Confused .

Author:  Blade [ Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:42 pm ]
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I go to Arthur Voaden in St. Thomas. i'm also in grade 10 and i started about a month ago.. i've learned much more than my class. right now we're doing read/writing from files... boring... most of the stuff i learned was from this board, just reading the posts.. lol, yea tony's been a great help... i think he's taught me more than my teacher Rolling Eyes

Author:  Dan [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 4:24 pm ]
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where did i laren turing....well i did not luaren it from school i though my self but it was inturduced to me in grade 10. (school dose not tech turing well). my school right now is Bimelseville distirck secondarey school or BDSS. i am moving tho soon, so i do not know where i will be in a few moths.

Author:  alastor_god [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 4:43 pm ]
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oh yea just came back from school
and today i learned fields
oh yea i feel special
lol

Author:  octopi [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:59 pm ]
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I learnt of turing from my school, but I learned most of it on my own. I started out programming on my own before I ever took a class at school for it.
My school's BDSS (Beamsville District Secondary School, same as dan's)

Oh by the way, I think it would be a good idea, if instead of location in our profile, it was changed to school, cause most of us (if not all) are still in school.

Author:  Tony [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:08 pm ]
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well you can if you want Wink

I learned turing in Metro Prep (same as Asok) though I changed schools and go to Crestwood Prep Collage now. Kinda funny cuz in my new school, they dont even teach turing at all. Though compsci 11 is Visual Basic Very Happy

Author:  Delta [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:08 pm ]
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I go to LDSS (Leamington District Secondary School). I first started programming in Turing before I got to grade ten to learn it but by that time my computer science teacher told me going into the grade ten course would be completely useless and I got put into the grade 11 course which was almost too easy most of the time. I'm taking the grade Twelve course now but I'm still in grade 11.

Author:  Tony [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:11 pm ]
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hey, me too... belive it or not, grade 10 turing was the first time I started programming Shocked I took compsci during 2nd semester of grade 10, so now I'm in grade 12 C++ but I'm still in grade 11... Next year I'm taking compsci AP (advanced C++ or something) 8)

Author:  Asok [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:15 pm ]
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tony wrote:
well you can if you want Wink

I learned turing in Metro Prep (same as Asok) though I changed schools and go to Crestwood Prep Collage now. Kinda funny cuz in my new school, they dont even teach turing at all. Though compsci 11 is Visual Basic Very Happy


lol Tony, at Metro we don't even do VB it's Turing in Grade 10 and 11 then Java in 12. There are far too many stupid students, "Introductory programming" should be in grade 9 NOT grade 10, that way there is Turing in grade 9, VB/Turing in grade 10, Java in Grade 11, C++ in Grade 12. That system defintely makes more sence, imagine trying to apply into a decent tech university with only a year a java under your belt, it's fucking stupid and the comp sci curriculum needs to be reworked at Metro. I'm off on a rant again, so I'll shut up now Rolling Eyes

Author:  Delta [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:16 pm ]
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I wish that I was taking C++ but for now I have to learn that on my own because our grade 12 course teaches JAVA. Which isn't too bad at all but still I'd rather be doing C++. :cry:

Author:  Blade [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:04 pm ]
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heh, you all have it better than me... our courses are really screwed... grade 10 is split with 11 in turing, so i'm taking grade 11 introductory turing... although the grade 12's right now in my class are still here they get 1/2 of the semester with java... i asked my teacher if i could go with them because this is way to easy for me... so this year i'm going 1/2 java, and next year (my grade 12 course/credit) i'm taking all of java..

Author:  Tony [ Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:01 pm ]
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Asok, blame Wayne... its all his fault... Shannon was actually offered a job over @ crestwood when it opened a year ago... but then Wayne gave her a new comp lab so she stayed Confused Maybe its for the good of it... I mean I was in metro that year Wink

ether way, Wayne is fucking up metro... you should have a talk with shannon about reorganizing the system, cuz a year ago, grade 12s were doing VB... Think about it... going into compsci with NO c++ or Java... just turing and some VB Confused

Author:  Asok [ Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:26 am ]
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I'm sure if I approach her about that she'll simply say "talk to wayne" or "students are dumb" Wink ok the last one I made up but that was the reasoning I remember of having turing 2 years in a row.

Think about it, the school HAS the software, C++ is on all the systems, they just need to put it INTO the curriculum. There is going to be a 3rd comp lab (chris sutter's old room) for a graphics extra curricular (not worth a credit) I'm hoping we can use that room for like a Comp Sci Advanced course or something I'll talk to shannon about that definitely.

Author:  Tony [ Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:36 am ]
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oh ya... I've heard that you guys are getting a multimedia lab... thats AWESOME, but you still need someone to actually teach you nice stuff. I doubt wayne will spend $3500 per license to install 3DSMAX... he'll probably tell shannon to download photoshop Wink

and yes, server does have C++ installed... I remember trying to use it back in the day...

Author:  Asok [ Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:53 am ]
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I would like to sell every book in his office, not like he's read any of them. Approx. value is sure to be in the thousands. Anyways I'll see what can be done about the curriculum, but I know I'm gonna get some bullshit response like "we have to go by the ministry's guidelines". I've heard it before when I want to make things better, everyone should just do as I say. The world would be a better place.

Author:  Dan [ Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:59 pm ]
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achotaly compsci is in a new cores in high school so there is not relay an sificate criumale for the cores but a guide line. that means that your compsci calse can use any progaming lauge your school whonts/has.

Author:  sherb [ Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:14 pm ]
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im still learning turing at westmount C.I. in thornhill ontario.

Author:  azndragon [ Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:40 am ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
achotaly compsci is in a new cores in high school so there is not relay an sificate criumale for the cores but a guide line. that means that your compsci calse can use any progaming lauge your school whonts/has.


It's a semi-new course in my school. 2 years ago, it only went up to Gr. 11. Ever since last year, they've now offered it to Gr. 12 now, probably because now they have teachers that know how to teach it Laughing

Author:  yuethomas [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 7:29 pm ]
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A. Y. Jackson, North York. Turing is offered only for the TIK2OA course. Grade 11 teaches C++ and grade 12 teacher Java.

Turing is good enough for simple programming, I suppose... but its grammatical limitations have a large impact on its practicality.

(Then again Catalyst can just jump out and prove me totally wrong. Smile )

Author:  Tony [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 9:05 pm ]
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the fact that computer science education is different in every school really bothers me... its not right.

such as in my old school (metro prep - Asok's school) its:

gr10 - turing
gr11 - turing
gr12 - java

my new school:

gr10 - Qbasic
gr11 - Visual Basic
gr12 - C++

This really screws up some students. And universities too. Cuz say myself and Asok were to major in compsci (asume Asok didnt learn anything new languages on his own).

first year uni Asok would know turing (doesnt help much) and have half a year experience in Java.

Tony would know Visual Basic and have a year of C++ experience.

Confused

Author:  Catalyst [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:05 pm ]
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my school is diffent

10 - turing
11- turing/java
12 - cancelled (for now)

Author:  Tony [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:16 pm ]
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CANCELED? Shocked

speaking of multiple languages...

my grade12 is actually:

VB/C++/Java

but VB was just a review from last year's (though I managed to learn most of it although it was new to me... 8) )

C++ - we did some stuff...

Java? Was somewhere in plans... dont think we'll actually get to it. My teacher just assigned us our ISPs and taking the rest of the year "off"

Author:  yuethomas [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:26 pm ]
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Java needs a full year to teach, seriously. First there's the introduction of OOP to throw you off, and just as you get comfortable with it, Applet design with Swing comes along.

It's one hard topic after another.

Author:  Catalyst [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:35 pm ]
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hopefully there will be enough kids in comp sci when i get to gr.12 for them to bring it back (they took b/c hardly ne one took the course)

Author:  Dan [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:37 pm ]
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my schools is dfrent dpeanding on teacher:

grade 10 - turng
grade 11 -was turing now is c++
grade 12 - was c++ now is canclied*

*my school says you need at least 75 in grade 11 compsci to go on to grade 12 compsci and right now only 4 poleop including me are at or above that mark in school. plus i am moving this year so now it is 3, and you need at least 9 poleop to have a coures.

Author:  Asok [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:40 pm ]
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that's because I have a general opinion that the majority of people are moronic. That's also why I'm assuming we have a double year of turing as opposed to C++. Tony you've been to metro, you know what I'm talking about Wink

Author:  yuethomas [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:41 pm ]
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Well, teaching the same language two years in a row tends to get boring...

Plus C++ isn't all *that* good at handling OOP stuff, and it can't do GUI applications easily either.

Author:  Asok [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:43 pm ]
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right, but C++ is most commonly used in the field, so it makes sence to teach it in high school so students can become comfortable with it. I mean isn't that the whole point of highschool to prepare you for what lies beyond?

Author:  Martin [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:58 pm ]
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Vincent Massey baby!

w00t

Author:  Tony [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 11:15 pm ]
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alright martin... we know that Vincent Massey is the only school in Canada with a compsci program...

as for C++... it HAS to be tought for atleast a year (or 2 semesters). Heck, seriosly. If you dont understand programming at all, why continue beyond grade 10? If you mastered turing (or w/e entry language) in grade 10, you shouldnt have a problem with C++.

C++ is soo widely used in the field, that you HAVE to know it. And now with C# out, its even better then Java Very Happy

Author:  Blade [ Tue Apr 01, 2003 11:18 pm ]
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yea... its cool, i been doin turing for 2 months, then my teacher puts me in java and i start C++ next year... wierd eh? ... i hope i find C++ easy since i'll have a pretty good grip on java... damn everything happening so fast..

Author:  BlAcK TuRtLe [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:55 pm ]
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I live in Sault Ste Marie and go to Saint Basils or SBSS. The way we do it here is I'm pretty sure
10-Turing with alot of flow charts/algorithms junk
11-I think is Java and VB
12 is C++.

I'm in 10 now and we just started pixel graphics and I'm getting it pretty good.[/list]

Author:  Catalyst [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:59 pm ]
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well my school is screwed over....

there are too many stupid kids taking comp sci, i had gr10 turing last semester and we didnt even get to file i/o

Author:  Asok [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:08 pm ]
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it's ok catalyst, my moronic school didn't get to that either Rolling Eyes

Author:  Catalyst [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:10 pm ]
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the main thing that bothers me is that of the 30 kids who took it, 15 didnt know what the hell they were doing and wont sign up for the gr 11 course, which grounds my hope that theyll bring back the gr12 course

Author:  Asok [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:13 pm ]
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well isn't the reason they discontinued your grade 12 course was due to lack of interest?

Author:  Tony [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:16 pm ]
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what they should atleast do, is give you a credit for independant study.

such as by the end of the year, you show a program you made to compsci 11 teacher and you get compsci 12 credit. I mean come on, you need the credit to major in compsci @ university. Its not fair for Catalyst to not get the credit.

such as next year I'll be the only one taking compsci AP and its going to be mostly independant study on my own time.

Author:  Catalyst [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:33 pm ]
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ill see if i can do sometihng like that

Author:  Asok [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 9:12 pm ]
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I would try that but apparently a Half-Life mod doesn't count even though there is MASSIVE code (not to mention hungarian notation... stupid Valve)

Author:  Prince [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 10:00 pm ]
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i go to milliken (crap skool in markham) but our comp sci curriclum is messed the f**k up righ now...

it used to b: 10- turing
11- turing/java (i think)
12- c++

but now the gr 10's r learnin VB which is unfair cus the stuff theyre doin looks so much cooler den turing and now my class (gr 11) isnt learning java until next year which would then leave no time for c++ (and thats the language i really wanted to learn)... ontario skool system really doesnt kno wat theyre doin Confused

Author:  yuethomas [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 10:03 pm ]
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In my honest opinion, it makes no sense to study Java before C++, especially if you're going to teach both.

But well... if you study Java, you pick up C++, PHP, Perl, etc. easily.

Author:  Tony [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 10:39 pm ]
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my guess here is because ministry of education works with HoltSoft to determine its curriculum... then since Tom West is on crack anyway it tells schools to run it on their own... I suppose in a way it depends on the teacher teaching it (like in my school...)

this means a lot of students a f*ck*d because of it...

Maybe we should start a petition on getting some control over compsci education in this country? Very Happy I donno if 200 members would mean anything... but if half of us get half of kids in our classes to sign... we can get... 100*(average half of the class = 10) = 1000 signatures Very Happy

the point is, if we all get together, we can make ourselves heard. Tell me what you think, personally I think that government has no idea what its doing and that screws a lot of students over.

Author:  Asok [ Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:28 pm ]
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won't work Sad I hate to not be optomistic here, but I have come to relise petitions mean nothing as far as bringing change is concerned and it becomes a waste of time and effort...


but then again... so is turing Wink

Author:  void [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:28 pm ]
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WHERE DID ALL THE KIDS FROM WATERLOO GO?!?!?!? Sad jesus.....(sorry to all u religious pplz Laughing ) i cant help it i dont beleive in religion...wateva... i attend Waterloo CI and it sucks coz u know wat...they teach turing in gr.10 AND 11 im in ten rite now...and in gr.12 they start VB...honestly....VB is easy enuff...in fact once you know how to "PROGRAM" any language is pretty easy to get the grasp of...its your math knowledge that helps you advance it with algorithms and crap...yea...but you gotta admit...most universities idea of a first year CS course is 1 semeseter of Turing (used ta be PASCAL) before you learn to do anything fancy.....i cant really blame my skool for having a shity program because they offer alot of computer courses..CISCO certification trainin, CS, CS&Bussiness, Bussiness, Web Programing, 3d Animation, Graphics Art....
i agree wit asok...but if you guys do start a petition..count be in...(not to sound like a brag)..but im pretty popular in my skool...so im good for about 50-60 signatures if that means anything (i can get alot of CS students from gr.10 and 11 to sign...and some that i know from 12).....

Author:  Tony [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:49 pm ]
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hehe, I'm taking compsci AP next year, counts for my first year CS in uni Wink but I'll see if I'd want to go straight into 2nd year or not.

and turing 10,11 and VB 12?! man, this blows. With no Java or C++ at all... we should seriosly consider trying to make some changed here.

Author:  Asok [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:53 pm ]
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fair enough but those signatures would not get us anywhere.

I share your concern, and I believe that the computer science highschool courses have been dumbed down across Ontario. But a petition is not the way to go, a petition is a good way to put pressure on a faction but seriously, who are we putting pressure on, those who are in control couldn't care because "more people than ever are getting involved in computer science" the problem is, our computer science program has been dumbed down to the point where it lacks the competitiveness of other countries and schools, as such it'll make getting into post-secondary education/work much harder for someone with limited knowledge provided by the ministry's current guideline.

Author:  Asok [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 7:57 pm ]
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Tony, we definitely need change, there is no doubt about that the problem is the lack of interest from those in control because they feel if they make the course harder then there will be a lack of interest and less people will become involved. I say GOOD, if you're too moronic to understand the basics what's the point of dumbing it down so that person can just fail later on?

So it comes down to, how to make people realise that change is needed in order to remain competitive?

Author:  Tony [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:11 pm ]
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Asok, the thing is that Canada is "trying" to be the world's leader in technology. Even Shannon said so during my year in metro.

Take any new technology. Hydrogen Fuel Cells for example.

There're using in Japan, US and Canada. Canada has annual conventions on it and such.

There were some "smart community" projects or whatnot... ask Shannon.

The point is, the way education stands now, it screws a lot of students over. I'm not even asking them to teach more advanced stuff, just to organize w/e program they got now.

To be honest, I didnt even want to take computer science this year. The way I figured I wouldnt be missing much anyway. Was in fact hoping for a year off to work on my own projects. Well I did end up taking compsci 12, but thats cuz of messed up skedual.

The point is, If Canada is hoping to succeed in technological field, they need to teach people how to use that technology. We need to get that point across.

As for petition, it needs to be phrased differently. Its shouldnt give advantage to just "expectional" compsci students. It would be to change technological education for the good of the country. Or something like that.

Author:  Asok [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:25 pm ]
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here's the problem as I see it, globalization, software companies/universities accept applicants all over the world, the problem is in many countries their courses are superior to ours, C++ is taught in grade 10 in some of South Korea for example. We need to keep our course competitive with that so we have an equal opportunity, as opposed to dumbing it down so more people can understand the basics of computer science.

Author:  Blade [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:39 pm ]
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i was just talkin to tony.. and the way I see it is to add different levels... for the people who are dumb take the M level course (collage/uni) and for the people who are serious and want to make a carrer of some sort out of it offer the U level (university)... tony said they'd have to hire more teachers, but if its worked out right you really wouldnt have to... you could hae the M level taught one day, and U the next for unsemestered schools and M offered one semester and U the next semster for those that are semestered... its really unfair to the people who like compsci and want a challange... this is the way to do it... just gotta figure out a way to make it so

Author:  Tony [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:53 pm ]
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well I read weekly about problems with school's budgets Confused

besides, there shouldnt be a "compsci for the dummies" course. They should just have an appropriate learning curve where everyone can learn how to program in first year, but reserve next two years for those who actually care about compters, NOT forced to take the course because of the parents (or lack of open slots in other courses).

Point is, if you dont understand comp sci, you shouldnt be in the course for more then a year.

Author:  Dan [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:27 pm ]
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i like the idea of having difrent levels of compsic, waterloo univistey has somting like this for 1st year compsci students. the schools shode have like level 1 and 2 compsci. where 1 is for very lite to no proamgin knolgae and 2 for some to a lot of progaming knowalge.

at least they shode make shure there is a compsci clase for each year. it is just geting sade that there are so many grade 12 compsci calse being canclaed.


also i whode like to know if any one could recomend a good high school in watreloo area. i will be swching high schools soon and whode like to know if any one had some sugjestions.

Author:  Blade [ Sun Apr 06, 2003 10:23 pm ]
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i think tony is very right about the compsci for dummies, and the first year, then the next 2 years about serious people... but instead of that... have one year of compsci for dummies (ppl who dont know what it is and wanna try it out) then have another level for the people who want to take it... we dont need a three year M level course... have grade ten M level, and grade 10,11,12 U level.. because if they dont like it they're not gonna persue it for the 11/12...

Author:  void [ Mon Apr 07, 2003 3:35 pm ]
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i think i like tody's idea better because i know kids who are confused when you explain to them that when you put variables using put...you shouldnt use quotations?!?!?!?!?!seriously gr.10 compsci is a joke!!! so is gr.11 i made a program for one of my friends the other day and it was tooo easy...i think that tony's idea of intro is good...in fact if they could somehow incorporate that in the computers course where they teach you how to use "word" and "excel" and the rest of the office bundle...then kids would know what they are getting into AND it would be easier to make gr.11 and 12 courses more advanced...we could even start VB halfway thru gr.10 if they did that....petition...if its large enough...AND some local news companies are made aware of it ...like CITY TV and CKCO...they would make some adults realize the change that is needed...i mean if a walkout from school by kids who just wanna get high made the b.o.education realize something....then a petition by a large sum of students might have some effect......now as for Hacker Dans question....ASSUMIN that you want to do CS...go to WCI...it offers the best courses related to computers...the other schools are like nut houses Razz....by the way....what grade are you in?

Author:  Dan [ Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:05 pm ]
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thanks for the info void, i am in grade 11 now but will be in grade 12 when at new school.

Author:  Tony [ Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:05 am ]
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those are all good ideas. And its true that action must be taken. Unfortunatly the world is conserned with SARS and war in Iraq, our voice will just not be heard. We must plan and wait for the right moment...

but yes, we defenatly would need a large exposure to get the point across. Newspaper coverage, maybe on some local news. Ofcourse a dedicated website and lots of letters to people with connections.

we just need organization, people and time

Author:  Blade [ Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:24 am ]
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YAY! WE ARE GOING ON TV! YAY! YAY!!!!! Very Happy i always wanted to be on tv... yea goin on the news would probably get a lot of ppl thinking, because if its on the news it means its a real concern..

Author:  Asok [ Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:44 am ]
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blade, it'll probably end up being breakfast television, (been on that before) and very few people ever watch that, our best bet is probably newspaper such as National Post

Author:  Blade [ Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:04 pm ]
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lol, i was only playing around... jeez man... think happy thoughts hahahahahahahaha... but there's still gotta be someway to change it... i thought delta said that the government asked the turing creator what the courses are supossed to be like... did he not?

Author:  Ravage [ Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:16 pm ]
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I'm in the same class as Blade is but I'm not quite as into it as he is, I heard about turing from my stepmom, who learned it when she was in school. I mostly use HTML as its the easiest thing to use

Author:  Tony [ Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:34 pm ]
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well HTML is not a programming language... just tags that modify text... much like manually writing Word's richtext document in notepad.

And you dont have to be best in class to be good. By visiting this site you already get a huge advantage over others as you learn more advanced stuff faster Wink

Author:  nate [ Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:04 pm ]
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YOU GUYS R SO UNLUCKY.
I AM IN GRADE 9 at UCC (upper canada college) in toronto. LETS GO LEAFS!!!
We start turing in grade 9, then do java in grade 10, vb, and c++ for 11 and 12.
SUCKS TO BE EVERYONE ELSE
w.e you can learn it on your own time

-NAte

Author:  Tony [ Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:07 pm ]
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i think that ths is the best compsci program it could be. You learn a lot and in right the order.

If we're to push for a change, we could use UCC as an example Wink

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 12:10 am ]
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agreed, that's the way it should be.

The problem is we're going to get a lot of "UCC's curriculum does not represent the average student" fair enough, a bag of marbles more accurately represents the average student. And that's where the problem is, you can't really push for that curriculum (although I think it's definitely optimum) because it's "unfair" to other students.

I'd probably go to UCC because of the better compsci program. There are only 2 reasons I'm not.

1)Uniforms blow.
2)Apparently people in UCC have to do work. I don't like work, that's why I go to metro Rolling Eyes

Author:  Tony [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:54 am ]
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ah yes... metro... any cloth (and i mean ANY), no work what so ever. Still high marks if you pretend to care.

But what about those average students anyway? Heck, every time they try to adjust the system to fit that average student, standarts keep on falling in all areas, and that screws everyone over. To tell you the truth, average student doesnt even take compsci.

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:46 am ]
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right, which is why they keep dumbing it down because they want more kids in computer science, because they are all in Phys Ed, Marketing, and many other completely useless courses.

Author:  Blade [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:48 am ]
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does it really matter how much they dumb it down? they should join it in interest, not because its easy... even though kids do sign up for it because its easy.. i think they have the wrong idea..

Author:  void [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:05 am ]
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exaactly..courses should not be dumbed...ppz should take it to get a shot at it and interest...thats why the first level should be turing.....but past that..only people who like it or are doing well in it should continue...not just everyone who wants to....this is affecting the universities/collleges and the tech industry because a lot of dumb@$$es get seats in uriversities when they dont really deserve it!!!....it shouldnt be like that....it should be harder...this is why everone wants to do "CS" no...its become the default.... dont know where u wanna go?...why not do CS..its easy to get into and theres always a job.....its degrading to those of us who like it and enjoy it...not those who memorize the syntax of bubble sorts and ray casting and expect to work at EA!!!!

Author:  Tony [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:50 pm ]
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void has an exelent point. I've seen many (almost all my class) trying to memorize parts of code before exam. They got the wrong idea. There's some basic commands, you can F8 it's syntax and F9 the uses of it. Heclk. you can open up the help file and search for stuff.

But yes, industry is affected. Right now there're no programs with the requirement of over 1Ghz processor, we got 3+ on sale today. In 5 years when we get out of university, hardware will be much better. []bMNUCH[/b] better. So to keep up with hardware advances, we need better programer, not more of them. For that reason computer science courses 10-12 should be for those interested and not as a slacker course.

Author:  Prince [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:09 pm ]
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hey, i hear halo may need 1+ GHz wen it comes out for PC... and wats wrong wit wantin to work for EA?? i wanna work for EA Sad

Author:  Martin [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:48 pm ]
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Here's the plan: Screw turing, it's too slow. Screw java, it's too slow. Screw VB, it's too slow. Teach c++ from grade 4+ instead of french.

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:51 pm ]
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yea screw french... It's too slow Smile

Author:  Tony [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:56 pm ]
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I keep on telling this to everyone, but noone is listening!

Sell Quebec to US

first - no more annoying french people
second - Now US has to worry about annoying french people
third - we got lots of money out of it
forth - dont need to know french to graduate from highschool Very Happy
fifth - teach CS in opened up spot Wink

Author:  Blade [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:21 pm ]
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lmao, yea thats a great idea! they wanted to leave us anyways... whats with the french politions anyways?

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:22 pm ]
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we'd still have to learn french anyways because it's part of "Canadian culture" Americans need to learn spanish through school, there aren't any spanish as a first language states, it's just that it's part of "American Culture" from when they robbed the land from the Mexicans. Just as the British took the land from the French, it's now part of Canadian culture.

I think it's sorta like, "we're sorry we killed your ansestors and took your land but to prove we're not all bad, we're learning about your culture and language, so we're even now."

Then of course there is some asshole in parliament who's like "haha stupid indians gave us their land for whisky! GG K THX! I pwned the indians! All your land are belong to us! HAR HAR!"

Author:  Blade [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:26 pm ]
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haha, yea great way of putting that asok... i dont think it should be part of our culture because we did fight the french for the land we took... and of course the english did win.. but now there's french people ruling us? Shocked Rolling Eyes damn i gotta quit thinkin about how screwed it is its giving me a headache Sad

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:34 pm ]
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um I don't really understand where u're coming from.

In all 3 instances there was fighting over land. And what do you mean by ruling us? I don't think Canada is a monarchy, I don't believe there is some frenchman king on a throne waving a septer demanding his jester to entertain him by injuring himself.

But then again... I don't know much about politics Wink

EDIT: Yes I know before you say it that there are other governments where you can have rulers that aren't monarchys, but for the sake of this joke I used monarchy.

Author:  Blade [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:37 pm ]
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by ruling i mean we have a french government... it has been quite a while since we've had an english prime minister...

edit: damn i didnt realize i was being that racist... oh well, (lol my background is all english)

Author:  Asok [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:39 pm ]
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well the idea is to have a bilingual primeminister to essentially win votes from both sides. If the electorate couldn't speak french fluently, that would not bode well amongst the french voters who believe that a french prime minister will protect french culture and interests.

Author:  Martin [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:36 am ]
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BUT WHAT ABOUT COMPUTER SCIENCE?!

Author:  Blade [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:42 am ]
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heh yea... its just an opinon though, and we all have different ones... i dont like the idea of french, and asok does (or does he?)... but darkness is right... WE NEED REAL COMPSCI!

Author:  Asok [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:50 am ]
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maybe my postion wasn't clear:

french blows, dropped it in grade 9 to take comp sci 10

Author:  Catalyst [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:48 am ]
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i like french (im immersion), and asok how did u drop french in gr. 9 isnt it mandatory?

Author:  Tony [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:40 am ]
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here's what I suppose we can do. Since we'll be conventrating on Ontario program first (since all provinces have different education programs as it is) we dont need to deal with french speaking crazy people.

http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/english/email/

I got to go now and dont have time to make guidelines for the message to send. I will post one on monday. Please give sujestions.

Oh... and I assume they need mailing address to come and kill us. Damn, we should get a PO box Wink

Author:  Asok [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:24 am ]
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Catalyst, I did credit substitution. Basically the credit where french is supposed to be, I filled it with gym.

Author:  Dan [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 2:41 pm ]
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dan has not done french since grade 7 Wink

Author:  Blade [ Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:59 pm ]
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lucky...so very lucky... it doesnt help when you have a stupid teacher either haha

Author:  Ravage [ Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:50 am ]
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Well, I dont think french is really needed, but its not like we have to take it all the way through high-school. But the I agree with Tony on selling Quebec, no more whining complaining hippy frenchies would do Canada a great deal, and I think the states would shoot them all anyways Smile, but some of those frenchies are hot (and dont know much English Smile) plus its not like we need 10 provinces anyways.

Author:  Blade [ Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:03 pm ]
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hahah.... someday if week keep out butt kissin up they may not be provinces...
lately thought its been good... tellin them to go fight their own war

Author:  Asok [ Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:01 pm ]
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well if you're actually concerned about the fate of Quebec, the provincial elections for Quebec are tonight, so I'd reccomend you watch it or read the paper tomarrow.


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