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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:06 pm ] |
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Anyone know a good site where I can get a good computer but at a good price. It would be much appreciated! |
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| Author: | poly [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:10 pm ] |
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You could build yourself a pc and it would be the cheapest option, cause you can shop around for parts. Check out Plug & Play's website http://yesplay.com there really good for pricing |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:12 pm ] |
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Whats the better option pentium or AMD? I know AMD is "faster" but they dont have systems up to the caliber the pentium does now. And AMDs heat like a mofo. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:28 pm ] |
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i only use amd , there much much cheaper , and run very well |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:30 pm ] |
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I dunno p4 2.4 is only like 100. But ya ill check it out. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:34 pm ] |
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i have a 2400 AMD xp , and that = 2.1 Ghz i believe im not sure , i know its always lower than the number , but anyways i saw no difference running that against my 2000 = 1.7 - 1.8 Ghz , even though there wsa a 50 dollar difference , i mean 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4 Is not really neeeded , id rather go back a few steps save a couple bucks buy an extra 256 of ram or somthing , but thats ust my say |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:36 pm ] |
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well i alredy have 256 on this comp that i culd easily transfer, so i wuld only need to buy 256 anyways. Im thinkin of an AMD but just with a good fan! |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:41 pm ] |
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thats a great ida , always look for some hardware you can save on , a little extra cash is always good , my best computer was my emachines ( that i pretty muc hupgraded everything but hte processor and motherboard ) , just remember whan buying it though, that you can only go as fast as your slowest component , so make sure your not being slowed down to much by somthing , video cards can be responsible for taht most the time when they are not very good , but your using a wicked system |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:51 pm ] |
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Is that site Canadian? Oh ya, I need a site where i can customize the computer, because i have sum stuff like RAM, monitor, modem, keyboard that i dont wanna buy. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:54 pm ] |
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Got My emachine from future shop , there everywhere , go to any major computer well techno store and you will probably find it, go look at www.futureshop.ca i know you know it , but hell heres the link to save you some time , they havve good deals on them , and their CS ROCKS i mean they are awsome people to deal with |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:56 pm ] |
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Is Windows XP worth it? or shuld i just stick with home? |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:57 pm ] |
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Do you mean is professional worth it , NO ,Stick with home , that will do you jsut fine |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:58 pm ] |
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there's a store like MDG (MDG sucks) called Summit Direct. If there's one in your area, got there  They are really knowledable and helpful and you can customize your computer, including whether they just supply you with the parts of whether they build it. |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:01 pm ] |
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Ya theres one in St. Catherines. Is XP Home good or shuld i go with XP Pro? |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:32 pm ] |
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psssssssh Windows XP. Windows 98 SE all the way! |
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| Author: | jonos [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:33 pm ] |
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i found them the same, but i haven't really explored xp so i don't know. the way i buy computers is if you have the money, buy really good stuff that you probably do not need, but will need in the future so you don't have to upgrade again or buy another computer. |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:35 pm ] |
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Ya i might just wait till i get a job or till i go to university but i dont wanna wait 2 years  |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:45 pm ] |
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if ur getting a new comp, get an athlon 64 fx if ur rich or a normal athlon 64 if ur not that rich... trust me u wont regret it |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:08 pm ] |
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Ya i just saw those, supposed to be sweet. Im not rich tho |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:49 pm ] |
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if you wanna buy a kick but comp dont buy a 32 , i was just thinking that within mabye 2 years , 64 will be all over the market , i mean its already starting to take over , 32 will be obsolete soon ot come , the best time to buy a cmputer is when you go to university and by that time 64 should be at a normal price , and should be like what 32 is now , id hold off and get a 64 , but if you really want a computer now i guess go right ahead |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:59 pm ] |
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www.tigerdirect.ca is very cheap. Now, you want to get this computer all put together. Make sure you have at least 512mb of ram, and that it's all THE SAME brand. If you mix brands of ram, you get nasty effects. Second, AMD is rated to the approximate pentium processor. Ex. An AMD XP 2000+, while only 1.667 GHz, runs equivilently to a P4 2.0 GHz. For more exact benchmarks, check out www.sharkyextreme.com |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:03 pm ] |
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jonos that's a silly way to buy a computer. Let's take a look at the processer. If you buy a really good chip that you don't need yet you are buying at the top of the market which is really expensive. If you want a while until the time that you do need that kind of a chip then you will save lots of money. what I do is buy the cheapest chip of the kind that I want. (I bought a 1.6ghz pentium 4 chip). That way I can upgrade it later if I want to when its cheaper. Seems like its paying off They still haven't come out with a Pentium 5 chip  |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:13 pm ] |
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Why would they , there aiming at 64 bit now , they will restart the cycle with a new name it will stop at p4 , if not p5 will be the last , and why would you buy it , by the time it would be out , the 64 bit woulr would be ruling , if you could afford a p5 you could afford a 64 |
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| Author: | jonos [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:05 pm ] |
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i bought high and a lot of good stuff because i had the money, and my parents have saved for university computers, so im gonna buy a really good laptop with that money when it comes to that. my friend and i did a little research and estimating and i will not have to upgrade my computer for a long time, because all the stuff i have has no problem with the currect stuff, as well as some future stuff (hopefully, but probably). thats how i buy guitars, buy really good so i won't need a new neck/bridge in 5/6/7/8/9/10 years. that is how i buy things. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:13 pm ] |
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darkness, the athlon 64 beats the p4 3.2 ghz at any and every benchmark |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:16 pm ] |
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Ive seen p4 3.8 gHZ now CRAZY. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:32 pm ] |
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doesnt matter, its 32 bit... so it sux ass |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:32 pm ] |
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what does 64 bit do? or what does it improve |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:36 pm ] |
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the cpu supplies 1s and 0s really fast, with a 32 bit, the cpu can only generate a thread of 32bit sequence each clock cycle for each layer... the p4 has 4 layers, so it could generate four threads of binary, each 32 digits long. with the athlon, there are i think 8 layers of processor, plus since its 64 bits, the chip can create 8 sets of 64 digit binary... and the clock cycle is basicly the ghz... meaning each seconds, how many times the cpu can perform the above... you've taken computer engineering, so u noe what they could do to with the binary sequence using logic gates |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:38 pm ] |
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Ok i see what you mean. Ill have to look into one of those when i go to uni. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:42 pm ] |
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most people dont realise that computers evolve , i mean now we on 32 wehad 16 and 8 , but let me say this , not only is the athalon 64 amazing but its BACKWARDS COMPATIBLY , i know arnt you shocked , yes that means not only do you own the fastest home cpu there is , but you can also play a good ol game of counterstrike on your pc , thats why when 64 gets fully implemented it will sweep hte market , becuase there will be no problems wiht peopole not being able to use all hte apps they bought , |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:43 pm ] |
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*mouth waters* i cant wait to get one of these. BTW i beleive athlon is the only company with 64bit that is compatible withh windows |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:51 pm ] |
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there the first one the market , and the cheapest , but the 64 bit windows was released about a month ago i believe, it beats windows 32 , wiht flying colors , and is just phenominaly better , |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:53 pm ] |
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*mouth waters again* |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:31 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: there the first one the market , and the cheapest , but the 64 bit windows was released about a month ago i believe, it beats windows 32 , wiht flying colors , and is just phenominaly better ,
ROFL, not right now. shure go try the windows xp 64bit batea test. if u are VERY lucky your computer may turn on, lol. to have a 64bit os u need to have all your drivers 64bit comablte, even ones like for the mother borad, logic chips, ect. so the odds of it wroking right are low. and affter that u need to have comable appliations to uses with it. right now just is not the time for 64bit, give it a few months to a year when every one starts going 64bit and geting all the bugs out then it will be phenominualy better (may be). |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:33 pm ] |
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i was talking about hte full version , and using iit on a 64 based system , i was looking at hte benchmarks , i belive we were talking about it becomeing popular in the furute but , the way its going now , its looking like 64 is really going to make an impact |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:15 pm ] |
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i will bivle it when i see it w/o 1000 blue screens, lol |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:35 am ] |
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Man, put linux on it. Mozilla is better than IE anyway. |
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| Author: | roer [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:47 am ] |
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Ok....you guys kind of have your bases covered. First of all websites to buy your computer: www.ncix.com www.pccanada.com www.tigerdirect.com www.pricenetwork.ca Quote: if you wanna buy a kick but comp dont buy a 32 , i was just thinking that within mabye 2 years , 64 will be all over the market , i mean its already starting to take over , 32 will be obsolete soon ot come , the best time to buy a cmputer is when you go to university and by that time 64 should be at a normal price , and should be like what 32 is now , id hold off and get a 64 , but if you really want a computer now i guess go right ahead
You can get an AMD64 3000+ for around $310, I'd say thats pretty good for new technology. And 32 bit wont be obsolete anytime soon, have you seen a 64bit application that you find useful yet? 64bit has been around since October and only a few developers are talking about 64bit applications, they know if they make exclusive 64bit software they are leaving about 90% of the computer population away from their product. There are no 64bit games (Epic is remaking UT2K3 for 64bit I believe though) AMD got a headstart on the 64bit race but its a shame because theres no software to maximize its full potential. Quote: They still haven't come out with a Pentium 5 chip
Just to tell you, Intel is going to change the name Pentium after they finish their Pentium 4 line. Its almost done however, Prescot was released Feburary 2nd, Tejas will be released in June and Nerahelm will be the next breed 
Quote: Why would they , there aiming at 64 bit now , they will restart the cycle with a new name it will stop at p4 , if not p5 will be the last , and why would you buy it , by the time it would be out , the 64 bit woulr would be ruling , if you could afford a p5 you could afford a 64
Apparently Intel's working on 64bit compatibilty and will release around the time WindowsXP64 comes out. While AMD pushed forward this technology Intel sat back and relaxed. Prescot might have 64bit on the chip but its disabled. P4 "B" had hyperthreading but it didnt have it enabled, just because Intel had leverage. If their B chips were doing bad they could release hyperthreading, if not, they would release it on their next-gen chips. Quote: *mouth waters* i cant wait to get one of these. BTW i beleive athlon is the only company with 64bit that is compatible withh windows
http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/itanium2/ This is one of the reasons Intel's hesistant to move to 64bit. Intel spent millions if not billions on the itanium project. If they moved their desktop CPU's over to 64bit then the itanium's would be worth less and it would really hurt their pockets. Intel will eventually make the jump to 64bit, but their technology for desktops will be immature while AMD will have matured their cores and refined their manufacturing techniques. If I were you I'd wait until Summer when AMD will release their San Diego core, you wont be dissapointed. Unless you need a computer right now, if its that the case get the AMD64 3000+ for an amazing price/performance ratio. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:49 pm ] |
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Gaming performance actually drops on windows xp 64 bit, but that's more than likely because of unoptomized drivers. |
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| Author: | recneps [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:54 pm ] |
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Why should everything have to change, the way i see it, from someones explanations, 64 bit is just 64 processes per second compared to 32... isnt it??? *confused*  |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:59 pm ] |
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it has to change because it processes totally different , im not sure on hte deep techinical aspects , but in basis its the fact that , also things have to change becasue yes if you bring 64 on the market everythignn will still work , but if you dont have one , and all the software goes to 64 , then you cant run anything new , the guys post above me ( the looong one ) explains everyhitng really well |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:53 pm ] |
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64 bit whould be gr8 but whould it mean even less combatibity in the computer world? i dont whont to be upgrading all my comps in a year just b/c they stoped sporting 32bit or somting crazy like that. any how i think this topic was sposted to be about buying computers, and as for 64bit cpu's in new computers i whould say dont go for it. it is not worth it yet. may be when EVERYTHING is 64bit comablet but till then it is only somting to impperse poleop, just like 1000mb network crads, there gr8 but almost no one has 1000mb networks. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:56 pm ] |
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ut apparently , after all the testing , its fully compatible they havent found an app that wont run yet , the athalon 64 has a good word to its name ( thast what tech tv says ) |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:45 pm ] |
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dan, its not that expensive... you can get a motherboard and a cpu for 600-700 bux |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:47 pm ] |
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o and wasnt the new os gonna be called longhorn or something? |
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| Author: | jonos [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:49 pm ] |
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im pretty sure thats just the working name they are calling it now as they develope it. i heard that somewhere. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:15 pm ] |
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Longhorn is 32 bit , but there will obviously be a 64 bit version , it will not be called longhor , but you know how it is , remember Menphis and Cairo , 98se and me's codes |
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| Author: | jonos [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:25 pm ] |
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i don't remember those, i wasn't into computers then. can anyone explain the the 32 bit and 64 bit stuff. i know its stuff about oses because win3.1 was 16 bit or something like that. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:11 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: ut apparently , after all the testing , its fully compatible they havent found an app that wont run yet , the athalon 64 has a good word to its name ( thast what tech tv says )
it is compatile on a 32bit os, but with the 64bit os the drivers get realy messed and b/c drivers are messed that causes apps to not fuction right. also if u got 32bit apps on a 64bit os there is no point b/c it slows down to 32bit. just like 1000mb network crad on a 100mb netwrok |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:17 pm ] |
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i never said there was a point , but you might as well get a 64 bit chip run a 32 bit os and apps , until 64 smakes the market , and then go up to that , why get a 32 , when a 64 isnt much more and will fun flawless with a 32 os and apps, then when your ready a 64 os and 64 apps |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:27 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: i never said there was a point , but you might as well get a 64 bit chip run a 32 bit os and apps , until 64 smakes the market , and then go up to that , why get a 32 , when a 64 isnt much more and will fun flawless with a 32 os and apps, then when your ready a 64 os and 64 apps
b/c it will have no diff betwen 32bit verons and 64bit verson other then u are paying more..... |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:31 pm ] |
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Thats untrue, if you buy somhing that will be of great use in the future and works with the present time , what is there to lose , 4 is much much much faster , we just cant harness it right now , becusae peopel are still really into 32 , we have the technology to make all hte apps compatible but there is no money in it right now , in the future you will have to buy a 64 ystem if you want the latest stuff . becasue they will enentually put down 32 , just like they did 16 , and 64 wil be alone , so why wouldnt you invest now , whats the harm |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:33 pm ] |
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them coming out with 128bit b4 they get 64bit working....lol |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:36 pm ] |
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you can never have a computer that is up to date ,its not possible ,your always behind , thats my say....... |
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| Author: | roer [ Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:49 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: you can never have a computer that is up to date ,its not possible ,your always behind , thats my say.......
Sure you can, it's just not up to date the day after  Its not that its not up to date its just not the best of the best. My computer is plenty good for playing games at 1280X1024 with 4XAA and 8XAF but it didnt cost me $5000 |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:05 pm ] |
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Does anyone know where i can get a mobile AMD 64 laptop with no software? Or do you think it's worth building one myself...only problem is I'm going to boot camp over the summer (yes really...and getting paid for it)...so I don't have much time between univ and coming home to assemble it. |
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| Author: | jonos [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:31 pm ] |
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Unless you want to learn to build a computer (not that hard anyways), you might just want to pay the people to assemble it. I think I paid someone only around 50 bucks to put mine together. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:02 pm ] |
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ah building a laptop is extreaml hard to imposable if u whont it to be good. also it whould most likey viaolate alot of heating reagualtions for laptops and elctionics. form what i have seen there are not that many good amd laptops. the best laptops i have seen are from alineware and the one gaming one from dell. but they both uses p4s witch ahucaly are good for laptops. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:08 pm ] |
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who the hell said it's easy to build a comp (from scratch)... won't that suck building a comp at your own house? the static problems and etc. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:11 pm ] |
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Amailer wrote: who the hell said it's hard to build a comp (from scratch)... won't that suck building a comp at your own house? the static problems and etc.
ah i side it is hard to build a LAPTOP. making a PC is not hard. i have never found there to be static isuses, just toch the case and it gournds you so no static. the big problem is not losing all thos litte screws and geting a screw driver that can fix in the litte spaces in some comps. |
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