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Thoughts on Xbox One vs PS4?

Author:  Nathan4102 [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm ]
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What do you guys think about the whole Xbox One vs PS4 thing this year? Which do you think is best? Why?

I've always been an Xbox guy, but unless the Xbox changes significantly before release, I'm probably going to switch to a PS4. 4 reaons:

1. Xbox is 100$ more expensive. After you add on a decent sized HD and the Kinect, it'll likely be waaay more.
2. Xbox spies on you!
3. No used games on the Xbox
4. Internet outages (I get them frequently) shouldn't affect offline gaming.

Post what you guys think of this epic (Not really) console battle!

Author:  rdrake [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:49 pm ]
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Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
1. Xbox is 100$ more expensive. After you add on a decent sized HD and the Kinect, it'll likely be waaay more.
The HDD is 500 GB (same size as PS4) and the Kinect is included. To me the $100 isn't a big deal, but to many it probably will be.

Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
2. Xbox spies on you!
I'm not sure what you mean here. That the Kinect must always be connected? That creeps me out.

Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
3. No used games on the Xbox
Not in the way we have now, no. They say you can lend games to friends, transfer licenses to friends (once), and resell your games via an authorized retailer. To me this sounds like a hybrid of the current console used game sales model and Steam.

Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
4. Internet outages (I get them frequently) shouldn't affect offline gaming.
Agreed. It won't be nearly as severe as many PC games (looking at you, Ubisoft), but it still seems unnecessary.

Personally I'm torn. I really like the idea of being able to share my games with friends and not having to lug discs around. I also rarely resell my games out of principle. I can't stand the fact that places like EB Games give you $15 for a $60 game that's been out for a month, then resells it for $55 to some sucker.

On the other hand I immensely dislike the idea of having Kinect connected all the time. I don't care if it says it's off. If it's plugged in, it can be turned on. I'm not sure why it always needs to be connected and check in every 24 hours. Can't it authorize my games for offline play? It's not like I can lend a game to a friend without temporarily transferring the license (which requires being online) anyway.

It'll be interesting to see how Microsoft proceeds. If they can demonstrate enough value with their proposed model then who knows, it may take off. I don't see many people viewing a purely digital good as being as valuable as a physical product. If they can't hold the disc in their hand, they're unlikely to want to pay as much. I don't see them having Steam-level sales any time soon. Steam basically competes with free, so their prices have to be low.

I could still never get a PS4. Buying a Sony product is essentially the same as being a frog in a pot of boiling water. I also consider their controllers to be a crime against humanity. I'd rather just play some PC or iOS games.

Author:  Tony [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:01 pm ]
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rdrake @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:49 pm wrote:
Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
2. Xbox spies on you!
I'm not sure what you mean here. That the Kinect must always be connected? That creeps me out.

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/05/24
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This hasn't yet been mentioned, but my understanding of the always-on / DRM is that should your xbox account get banned / suspended, all of the games go down with the account as well.

@rdrake -- since the only point you explicitly pointed out against PS4 is the controller, you might be interested to know that there are 3rd party hardware accessory companies that are cashing in on the massive group of games that will be making the switch over to PS4 for this gen.

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Author:  Nathan4102 [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:08 pm ]
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rdrake @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:49 pm wrote:
Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm wrote:
1. Xbox is 100$ more expensive. After you add on a decent sized HD and the Kinect, it'll likely be waaay more.
The HDD is 500 GB (same size as PS4) and the Kinect is included. To me the $100 isn't a big deal, but to many it probably will be.


I first heard that the $500 model only had an OS sized HD and didn't include the kinect. Just looked it up, you're right.

Other then that, I agree with most of what you said.

@Tony, I've had bad experiences with 3'rd party controllers. The Playstation controller is horrible, but I doubt there's a 3'rd party controller better than it.

Author:  rdrake [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:21 pm ]
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Tony @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:01 pm wrote:
@rdrake -- since the only point you explicitly pointed out against PS4 is the controller, you might be interested to know that there are 3rd party hardware accessory companies that are cashing in on the massive group of games that will be making the switch over to PS4 for this gen.
That doesn't seem like nearly as bad of a controller. I haven't paid as much attention to the PS4 to be honest.

In all likelihood I'll avoid buying another console until something pulls me to one side or another. Sony has had few exclusives that really mattered to me. Halo is a guilty pleasure, so that's swayed me in the past.

I'm hopeful Microsoft will step up their game with Xbox Live to better match PSN+. PSN+ seems to have a bunch of free games and nice sales. Xbox Live has tons of ads on the dashboard, no free games (until now), and awful sales. The actual online experience is no contest.

Any word on the multimedia capabilities of either console? I'd love to be able to watch my MKVs, finally.

Author:  Tony [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:52 pm ]
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Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:08 pm wrote:
The Playstation controller is horrible, but I doubt there's a 3'rd party controller better than it.

Alright, so maybe I just don't game enough to understand what you guys are talking about. In which way is it "horrible"?

Author:  Nathan4102 [ Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:52 pm ]
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Well for one, the feel of them is bad compared to official controllers. 3rd party controllers are usually way larger and bulkier then the real ones, and made of cheaper stuff. The main reason, though, is how fast they break. Ive owned 2 3rd party xbox controllers, both from different companies, and they both broke within a month.

Author:  Tony [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:27 am ]
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That answer is about 3rd party controllers, not the
Nathan4102 @ Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:08 pm wrote:
The Playstation controller is horrible

that I've asked about.

Author:  Insectoid [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:11 am ]
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A lot of the complaints stem from the thumb sticks- they're convex rather than concave, so your fingers tend to slide off them when you game. Also, the triggers extend below the controller and consequently often get pressed unintentionally when the controller is set down. This is especially annoying when watching movies, since those buttons control playback and the control is picked up and replaced fairly often.

It looks like the dualshock 4 has fixed the thumbstick issue, but the faults with the trigger persist unless the fix isn't visible.

Author:  Tony [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:01 am ]
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Insectoid @ Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:11 am wrote:
This is especially annoying when watching movies, since those buttons control playback and the control is picked up and replaced fairly often.

I see what you mean about the trigger, though I don't buy the "picked up .. fairly often [when watching movies]" use-case. In practice, I haven't run into an issue with this... yet.

It seems strange to dismiss a gaming console, because the controller of the previous generation doesn't suit an edge-case behaviour for watching movies.

Author:  BigBear [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:41 pm ]
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Quote:
I really like the idea of being able to share my games with friends and not having to lug discs around.


http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

You can only give your disc based games to your friends.


So you sign into your account on a friends Xbox One and play any of your games, you can even play any of your games with someone who is on your console.

But how will it know you're not on your Xbox?
Will each Xbox have an owner account? Can you have multiple owners? If not then only an owner can have this privilege?
If you can have multiple owners why and be an owner of multiple consoles then why can't you just add yourself as an owner to your friends console?

Author:  Raknarg [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:14 pm ]
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I liked the old ps1 and ps2 controllers better than any others I've used on any console.

Author:  Panphobia [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:41 pm ]
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I have the Ps3, 360 and a Wii-U atm, I have to say the feel of the 360 controllers is the best of all the ones I have. It fits your hands the best.

Author:  Raknarg [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:10 pm ]
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meh, Im just used to the others, the xbox feels too big to me

Author:  Nathan4102 [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:17 pm ]
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Panphobia @ Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:41 pm wrote:
I have the Ps3, 360 and a Wii-U atm, I have to say the feel of the 360 controllers is the best of all the ones I have. It fits your hands the best.


Jesus, you have a PS3, 360, AND Wii-U? I don't see a point in having more than 1 top-gen console, especially 360-PS3. Besides a few exclusives, they do basically the same thing.

Author:  Insectoid [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:19 pm ]
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Well, the PS3 has Uncharted and The Last of Us, so you've got to have one of those, and if you love Halo or Gears of War, you need a 360. If you want your Nintendo games, you clearly need a Wii/U.

Also all the people who had a 360, and also wanted a cheap Blu-ray drive.

Author:  Panphobia [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:18 pm ]
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Nathan4102 @ Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:17 pm wrote:
Panphobia @ Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:41 pm wrote:
I have the Ps3, 360 and a Wii-U atm, I have to say the feel of the 360 controllers is the best of all the ones I have. It fits your hands the best.


Jesus, you have a PS3, 360, AND Wii-U? I don't see a point in having more than 1 top-gen console, especially 360-PS3. Besides a few exclusives, they do basically the same thing.
It isn't my fault I have them, I bought only the PS3 and Wii-U myself, the 360 is my brothers. Also the only reason I got a Wii-U was because of anticipation for the new super smash bros.

Author:  rdrake [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:24 pm ]
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Insectoid @ Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:19 pm wrote:
Also all the people who had a 360, and also wanted a cheap Blu-ray drive.
I really wish they'd update the 360 with a bluray drive. I hate having two devices for that. Too late now, I guess.

Author:  noodle [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:46 pm ]
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I was looking to get a knock-off WiiU or 3DS.

Author:  rdrake [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:03 pm ]
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Holy hell.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Author:  Nathan4102 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:08 pm ]
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Wow! I was really hoping they'd do this, didn't expect them to though. They might have just won back a customer (and many more), nice job Microsoft.

Author:  Insectoid [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:51 pm ]
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Microsoft has to really screw up to pull a complete 180 like that. Now if only they'd listen in regards to win8...

Author:  Raknarg [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:53 pm ]
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it would've seriously killed their sales if they didn't

Author:  BigBear [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:35 pm ]
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Now people will complain that they can't play games from their 10 family members.

Author:  Insectoid [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:25 pm ]
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I can play games with my 10 family members by letting them use my profile on the console. When you buy a downloaded console game, is it available for all users on that console? It should be. If it's not, that's messed up. It already boggles the mind that you pay for Live subscriptions per user rather than per console.

Author:  rdrake [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:01 am ]
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Insectoid @ Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:25 pm wrote:
I can play games with my 10 family members by letting them use my profile on the console. When you buy a downloaded console game, is it available for all users on that console? It should be. If it's not, that's messed up. It already boggles the mind that you pay for Live subscriptions per user rather than per console.
Typically licenses are per-user or per-console. That is, any user can play your content on the console it's registered with. This is why you transfer your licenses when you get a new one. You can also play your content on any console you sign into.

You can buy family live subscriptions and games generally allow guests to play under your profile. They usually appear as "Profile (1)" and do not earn any achievements, but they can still play.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'm disappointed they reversed their decision. I'm glad to see some things gone (24 hour check in, why is that necessary?), but it's unfortunate I'll have to carry around discs to play. For the most part it really didn't sound different from Steam.

Author:  Dan [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:47 pm ]
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As a Nintendo/Gaming PC fan boy, I just enjoy watching the two fight.

In my totally subjective opinion, I feel that Gaming PC + Wii U + 3DS gives you the best coverage of exclusives, game play experience and graphics (from the gaming PC). However, if you are not a Zelda, Mario and DK fan I could see how the Wii U might not be appealing with the current limited game selection.

To touch on rdrake's last post, I have never understood why people love Steam with it's rather restrictive DRM but almost riot over EA or Microsoft doing the same. Steam is rather convenient but I don't like the idea of someone having the ability to take away my games on a whim.

Author:  Zren [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:25 am ]
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Dan @ Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:47 pm wrote:
To touch on rdrake's last post, I have never understood why people love Steam with it's rather restrictive DRM but almost riot over EA or Microsoft doing the same. Steam is rather convenient but I don't like the idea of someone having the ability to take away my games on a whim.


You should check out GoodOldGames http://gog.com if you dislike DRM. They specialize in it and are having a Summer Sale atm.

http://www.cheapshark.com/browse?storeID=6

Author:  gohabsgo007 [ Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:47 pm ]
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It's 2015, same price yet XBOX ONE is better, better games, Titanfall, Halo 4, Halo 5 Gaurdians, (should i keep going...)

Author:  Insectoid [ Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:33 pm ]
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PS4 has The Last of Us. 'nuff said.

Author:  gohabsgo007 [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:48 pm ]
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one bloody zombie game, that is bullshit!

Author:  Insectoid [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:29 pm ]
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Not just any zombie game, it's the best zombie game ever. Plus Uncharted 4 is coming out, so I mean, those two games together are worth more than any number of xbox exclusives. I personally haven't seen any xbox exclusives worth buying the console for. I'd get a PS4 just for Naughty Dog. Their games are that good.

Author:  gohabsgo007 [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:12 pm ]
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come on! Forza Horizon 2, Crackdown 3, Halo: The Master Chief Collection, Halo 5: Guardians, Sunset Overdrive, frickin Quantum Break! all xbox exclusives

Author:  Insectoid [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:29 pm ]
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The Last of Us man. The Last of Us. I could play it over and over for eternity. It's as close to a perfect game as I've ever come. I'm totally cereal, The Last of Us, for realz yo.

Author:  gohabsgo007 [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:10 pm ]
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Stop man, stop. Stop jerking off on crappy video games! Smile


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