it's ok.....
but with little ram, you cant reap the benifits of the rest of your specs.
Computer Science Canada system specs - ur thoughts |
| Author: | Prince [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | system specs - ur thoughts |
im hoping to sumhow get enuf money to build this thing soon (just under $1500) and i was jus wondering how good or bad yall thought it was AMD Processor TBRED 2600+ (2.13 GHz) Gigabyte GA-7VAX Motherboard DDR DIMM Memory 400MHZ 256MB PC-3200 LG DVD-ROM 16X Internal Drive LG CD-RW 52x24x52 INT IDE w/ SOFT OEM Western Digital 60GB ATA100 7200 8MB Samsung Monitor 17IN 1280X1024 BLACK ATI RADEON 9200 W/128MB AGP Creative Labs Audigy 2 (OEM) plz dont turn this into a spam fest as i dont want this post locked |
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| Author: | Asok [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:51 am ] |
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if this is going to be a gaming box then I suggest you get a better graphics card. |
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| Author: | born130 [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 10:12 am ] |
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i suggest more ram if this is for gaming the new games are gonna require tons. i.e. WOW |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 10:25 am ] |
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go to vibecomputers.com they have some nice deals there |
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| Author: | JSBN [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:06 am ] |
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it's ok.....
but with little ram, you cant reap the benifits of the rest of your specs. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:01 pm ] |
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go for the 2500+ Barton (you save about $30 and it's a better chip and you can overclock it to 2.5ghz - which would make it better than any stock chip on the market right now, I can explain why this is true if someone doesn't get it...) and get 512mb of RAM instead... even if it means you have to get 2700 instead of 3200 |
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| Author: | JSBN [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:27 pm ] |
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GO PC 100!!!!! |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:45 pm ] |
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ha, I got PC133! beat that JSBN 
But ya, people got good points there. You can never have enough RAM. Even my low end machine has more then that. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:36 pm ] |
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ya ppl hate laggers, and ram is usually what lags for u so get 512 rdr if you can |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:52 pm ] |
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a nice 23" LCD would be nice... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:53 pm ] |
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ya but his buget's not even enough to buy it and a good cpu |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 2:54 pm ] |
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prolly the monitor cost as much as the system, lol. |
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| Author: | Prince [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:16 pm ] |
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the reason i went for the TBRED instead of the barton is cus it was only $10 more but alot faster (Barton 2500+ = 1.83GHz, TBRED 2600+ = 2.13GHz) and im not too worried about the monitor since ive got a 17" already and thats enuf for me rite now but i will take into consideration the RAM upgrade btw one question, if i wer to use a fan that was made for a P4 on this AMD system would it make that much of a difference in cooling or no? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:46 pm ] |
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no the fan's good enough, but what you should consider is to overclock your 2600, its very overclockable, ppl have got it running at 3 gig with no prob and only one more fan, but water cooling is very good too or you can get liquid nitrogen |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:03 pm ] |
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doesn't liquid nitrogen burn? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:27 pm ] |
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well actually its so cold that it seems like it burns think, nitrogen is a gas at room temperature, to get into a liquid u have to cool it down |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:38 pm ] |
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so as long as you don't touch it, you're fine... liquid nitrogen in a super soaker. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:48 pm ] |
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amds tend to run waaay hotter than intels.... you could try using an intel hsf on it (it might not even fit on properly...) if you want the bartons are much faster than the thoroughbred, and you can overclock the 2500+ from 1.83 to 2.5 ... so imagine what that would be like in comparison to the intels... like 3500+ ?? you have to look at more than just the clocked speed when you're comparing the performance the cpu will give you.... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:56 pm ] |
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well since intel spends billions of dollars trying to get the electricity in the computer and out as fast as possible it's pretty hot and paddylong, if u dun know what ur talking about dun talk, do you know anything about overclocking? its not in ratio, it depends on the manufacturer. if the chip was supposed to be 3000 but wasn't made that well, they downclock it and sell it for cheaper,that's what the 2600 are that's why its so easy to overclock |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:14 pm ] |
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hehe yes I know what I'm talking about 
I know a guy who overclocked his 2500+ barton to 2.5ghz |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:16 pm ] |
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that's nothing, that only needs another fan, i'm talking about REAL overclocking, with water cooling or liquid nitro |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:19 pm ] |
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lol you are nothing but a charlatan here dodge... your last post proved that... do you know ANYthing about computer modding in general? I suppose you probably have some plain old beige case sitting there with a stock hsf on your cpu |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:21 pm ] |
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charlatan: A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:22 pm ] |
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bingo Jay Lo |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:26 pm ] |
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sure paddylong, what ever u say, i probably know more about computers 5 years ago then u do now so if u dunno me, shut up ass |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:31 pm ] |
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flame match. gogogo... to spam. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:32 pm ] |
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nah I'm not going to get into a flame match with dodge... we seem to have a continuous one going on any way |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:43 pm ] |
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u know what, fine, i'll stop being an ass my self and stop flaming u, well that's it for today, i'll spam more tomorrow. wha? no wait i didn't say spam i meant post, ya that's rite  |
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| Author: | Blade [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:04 pm ] |
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you dont need liquid cooling or nitro to overclock. one of my friends has an xp 2100+ running at 3.02 ghz with a thermaltake volcano 9.... if you are going for a gaming system go for the higher end geforce 4 ti's or the radeon 9500/9700 pros... use at least 512 ddr 400 ram with an nvidia nforce 2 chipset because you can set your bus to 200 mhz only with them so you can overclock yer processor to at least 3.0 ghz if you set the bus at 200 with a multiplyer of 15.. if you're going to do that use at least a volcano 9 on your cpu with both intake and an exaust fan, that way youll get a nice flow going through. but you dont absoultly need water cooling... good kits are usually around $200 athlons are the best to overclock, dont go with intel... and dont use rimm rambus... especially when overclocking unless you are going to get copper heatsinks for them.. they've caused lots of overheating problems with a lot of people if you dont have a good cooling system i also forgot to add that nowadays maxtor's 80 gigs are only $10 more than the 60 gigs |
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| Author: | JSBN [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:05 pm ] |
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What has the world come to when u need to use liquid nitrogen to cool off your comp's processor |
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| Author: | Blade [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:06 pm ] |
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a very powerful one |
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| Author: | JayLo [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:46 pm ] |
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i wouldn't mind liquid nitrogen, but i agree with jsbn, seems like overkill... |
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| Author: | Prince [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:40 pm ] |
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Blade wrote: if you are going for a gaming system go for the higher end geforce 4 ti's or the radeon 9500/9700 pros...
id love to get a radeon 97 or 98 pro but unfortunately i dont hav the cash  |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:48 pm ] |
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Blade wrote: also forgot to add that nowadays maxtor's 80 gigs are only $10 more than the 60 gigs
I have actually seen them both for exactly the same price  |
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| Author: | Blade [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:23 pm ] |
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really?? i saw the xp 1800+ and 2100+ as the same price but not the hd's... |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:33 pm ] |
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http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/WCPG/article.php/2220881 -If you know somebody in the states, this is where you can get the best prices www.hltechnology.com -Canadian, and NO PST! |
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| Author: | Prince [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:02 pm ] |
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but its out west so ud still hafta pay shipping charges |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:40 pm ] |
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still better than shipping from states :/ custsoms is a major pain in the butt... seriously you can end up paying more for shipping/customs than you do for the actual product! |
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| Author: | Prince [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | new system specs |
i was lookin back at the site wher i got the other specs from and decided to get sum hardware for a more high end machine... heres wat i came up with: Intel Processor P4 3.2GHz 512KB 800MHz FSB ASUS P4C800 Deluxe Motherboard DDR DIMM Memory 400MHz 1024MB PC-3200 2 Seagate 120GB 7200 RPM SATA HDD ATI Radeon 9800 Pro w/ 256MB AGP8x Creative Labs Audigy 2 Platinum EX NEC 21" Monitor 1600x1200 Res. Yamaha TSS-1 Speakers the rest of the specs (mouse, cd drive, etc.) r the same |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:17 pm ] |
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From hltechnology, shipping works out to be significantly less than PST, so it's still worth it. Anyway, here's what I'd recommend. First of all, 512mb ram is a must, especially if you're going to use Windows XP. I'd go with PC2700 DDR333 ram: it's a lot more stable, and cheaper too. 80 gig hard drive is recommended too. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:31 pm ] |
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booo to intel is all I say about the new idea you have there  |
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| Author: | Prince [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:05 pm ] |
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lol, wats wrong with intel paddy? and darkness, did u not see the 2 120GB harddrives? y go with less wen u can hav more  |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:16 pm ] |
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personal preference for AMD |
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| Author: | Prince [ Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:41 pm ] |
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fair enuf |
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| Author: | Blade [ Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:08 pm ] |
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lol i dont like intel cuz you cant overclock it... and AMD's athlon xp 2700+ (2.12 ghz, 333, 256 kb l2 chache) renders about 10 frames faster than the p4 3.06 ghz (256 kb cache 533 bus)... if you dont believe me i'll get you the chart... they tested it with the exact same hardware, except the mobo, but it was only the chipset size differerence.. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:16 pm ] |
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Blade's post pretty much sums up why my preference lies with AMD |
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| Author: | Homer_simpson [ Sun Jun 22, 2003 1:51 pm ] |
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well... all i know is that i got 1.6 GHz cpu,256 mb RAM and an ATI 64 MB graphic card.... and i run the craziest 3d shit with no lag or glitch with highest resolution... |
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| Author: | Blade [ Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:30 pm ] |
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lol i bet if you do some tests on it, it wont score nearly as high as what i put down for an ideal system ie: 3dmark03 |
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| Author: | ShadowStorm [ Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:10 pm ] |
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so .. how much do you think the system is gonna cost you  |
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| Author: | Prince [ Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:50 am ] |
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the first one will cost me jus over $1500... the second one will cost about $5000 |
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| Author: | Blade [ Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:25 pm ] |
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dont you think thats a lil much? this might not be the top of the line system, but it'll handle anything you throw at it, and it'd be a good overclocking machine too.. black/silver 350W 6 bay front usb/audio - 57 LG CDRW IDE 52w,24rw,52r w/Nero - 63 Amd XP 2500+ Barton - 150 120 Gb 2Mb 7200 Rpm Maxtor Ata 133 - 144 MSI K7N2-L (6570-010) NForce2 Fsb333,DDR400,8xAgp,Lan,Atx - 135 512 Mb PC3200/DDR400 - 119 17" Samsung Syncmaster 750S black - 202.00 SB Audigy 2 6.1 Surround Sound 24Bit - 185.00 128 Mb ATI Sapphire Radeon 9700Pro DDR 8xAGP Dual Display Dvi/Tv Retail - 516.00 total w/o tax - 1571 you really dont need all that space, or that much ram, 512mb is enough, especially with a budget, a 17" monitor is standard these days, especially with 19" montiors costing almost 150 more....you only need a top-of-the line soundcard if you are planning on doing a lot of stuff with sound, such as creating your own music. with this mobo you can set your bus up to 400 mhz because it has the nforce2 chipset, and right now the only chipset that can handle that... (i think, i'm not sure, there may be more now... but i dont think so..) |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:15 pm ] |
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u can build a really good comp with 3000, well if u dun get a 20 inch LCD and 2000 dollar speakers and 15000 t3 modem, but 5000? that's way too much... |
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| Author: | Prince [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:46 am ] |
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in a way, i agree that $5000 is a lil bit much for a computer (even one as good as that  )... but seeing as how i wasnt really planning on building the second one (jus foolin around on the site) i dont think its that much at all |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:22 am ] |
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and i agree with paddylong, intel does suck, but it is extremely good for overclocking... |
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| Author: | Blade [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:06 am ] |
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dodge_tomahawk wrote: and i agree with paddylong, intel does suck, but it is extremely good for overclocking...
good for overclocking??? i dont think so, you cant overclock intel by much |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:21 pm ] |
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what planet are u from? pentiums are awsome at overclocking... celerons can be overclocked like crazy and the 1.6 ghz can be clocked to 3.2 no problem... |
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| Author: | Blade [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:55 pm ] |
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maybe the athlons yeah... my friend has an athlon xp 1700+ running at 3.2 ghz.. |
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| Author: | PaddyLong [ Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:01 pm ] |
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I think dodge is thinking of AMDs that you can overlock a lot :/ I have heard of intels being overclocked insane amounts, but not as commonly as AMDs... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:31 am ] |
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its the celerons... you can double their clock speed without much trouble |
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