Comments on: Software startups: success and failures http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/ Programming, Education, Computer Science Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:31:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-81147 Tony Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:59:51 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-81147 That certainly puts things into a new perspective. You're absolutely right -- there are technical marvels that fail, and those failures are often needed to test the market, or try out something new. In the presentation, Larry avoided naming any specific products or companies. For the success stories (in this presentation, and throughout other lectures), new technology often addressed a very specific need that was not previously addressed. Failures often came from the execution. You are right that a brilliant product could address a specific need, but that need could be small enough to cause a failure -- though I don't recall such cases being discussed. I suppose they were not as interesting. In part, I think this might also be the VC's fault for financing a faulty idea. After all, failure to pitch an idea, doesn't make for much of a startup company. That certainly puts things into a new perspective. You’re absolutely right — there are technical marvels that fail, and those failures are often needed to test the market, or try out something new.

In the presentation, Larry avoided naming any specific products or companies. For the success stories (in this presentation, and throughout other lectures), new technology often addressed a very specific need that was not previously addressed. Failures often came from the execution. You are right that a brilliant product could address a specific need, but that need could be small enough to cause a failure — though I don’t recall such cases being discussed. I suppose they were not as interesting.

In part, I think this might also be the VC’s fault for financing a faulty idea. After all, failure to pitch an idea, doesn’t make for much of a startup company.

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By: Jose Sandoval http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-81050 Jose Sandoval Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:35:35 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-81050 Hi Tony. For the sake of dialog, I'll reply. I meant a great product as a technological marvel, and not because of its use--the cure for Cancer will probably be a great technological achievement, even if nobody needs it (this is hypothetical, of course). In the same context and more realistic example, the Apple Newton was--to me--a great product, but was not very successful in the market (leave aside the timing issue). So marketing plays a big role in the success of a product, but marketing is not only advertising or selling (flashy content, good presentations, etc.); there is a lot more to it. In fact, I did some work for a company Larry advised a few years ago: it failed, and was not for the lack of optimistic visionaries or smart presentations. Of course not all startups create useless things, but some did and still do. They must, it's part of the creative process. Remember pets.com? boo.com? AdExact? Of course, there are successes: Amazon, eBay, PixStream, SandVine. So I disagree and contend that startups must create useless products and dismal ideas, as without failure there is no real entrepreneurship. And the failure is just a way for the market letting us know that the ideas/products/services sucked (including market timing). I'm sure you may come across some of the innovation literature at some point, but I have always liked this compilation: http://www.doblin.com/ideas/TenTypesOverview.html. A startup will have an easier time selling its product if they add some value to someone--I think Larry said something similar in the presentation (note that I only watched the first 10 mins). BTW, it's great to get the computer science club at Waterloo talking about business fundamentals. I don't think it has always been that way. Hi Tony. For the sake of dialog, I’ll reply.

I meant a great product as a technological marvel, and not because of its use–the cure for Cancer will probably be a great technological achievement, even if nobody needs it (this is hypothetical, of course). In the same context and more realistic example, the Apple Newton was–to me–a great product, but was not very successful in the market (leave aside the timing issue). So marketing plays a big role in the success of a product, but marketing is not only advertising or selling (flashy content, good presentations, etc.); there is a lot more to it. In fact, I did some work for a company Larry advised a few years ago: it failed, and was not for the lack of optimistic visionaries or smart presentations.

Of course not all startups create useless things, but some did and still do. They must, it’s part of the creative process. Remember pets.com? boo.com? AdExact? Of course, there are successes: Amazon, eBay, PixStream, SandVine. So I disagree and contend that startups must create useless products and dismal ideas, as without failure there is no real entrepreneurship. And the failure is just a way for the market letting us know that the ideas/products/services sucked (including market timing).

I’m sure you may come across some of the innovation literature at some point, but I have always liked this compilation: http://www.doblin.com/ideas/TenTypesOverview.html. A startup will have an easier time selling its product if they add some value to someone–I think Larry said something similar in the presentation (note that I only watched the first 10 mins).

BTW, it’s great to get the computer science club at Waterloo talking about business fundamentals. I don’t think it has always been that way.

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By: Tony http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-81019 Tony Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:01:39 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-81019 Thx for the observations Jose. Though demonstrating just a single select ability is not efficacy. The "desired effect" would be to attract the investors to your great idea. The idea on its own will likely not get this job done. Similarly a flashy demo, without an idea behind it, is similarly useless. The profitability of the idea should be apparent from the idea itself, or from the presentation. Your example of "a cure for cancer" is not actually a "great product", if this product is not needed. I suppose that with enough marketing, even a useless widget could be sold, but I don't think that's what startup companies do. Thx for the observations Jose. Though demonstrating just a single select ability is not efficacy. The “desired effect” would be to attract the investors to your great idea. The idea on its own will likely not get this job done. Similarly a flashy demo, without an idea behind it, is similarly useless.

The profitability of the idea should be apparent from the idea itself, or from the presentation. Your example of “a cure for cancer” is not actually a “great product”, if this product is not needed. I suppose that with enough marketing, even a useless widget could be sold, but I don’t think that’s what startup companies do.

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By: Jose Sandoval http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-80833 Jose Sandoval Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:42:47 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-80833 Good article. One thing I noticed, however, is the lack of focus on "customer needs." It is true that "ability to demonstrate efficacy" is important, but that could mean many things. For example, demonstrable ability to create software mean nothing if you can't market it. You also write: "Be able to demonstrate your capacity to produce the desired effect. One might be full of absolutely brilliant ideas, but they need an effective demo to attract clients and investors." What is the desired effect? A flashy, catchy demo is of no interest to clients or investors. On the one hand, if a product doesn't solve a specific needs, no one will care how revolutionary and elegant it is. Imagine a world with a cure for cancer with nobody suffering from the illness: great product, no market need. On the other hand, investors are interested in profits and long term sustainable business models. A flashy presentation can't fake numbers and a well research market segmentation. Good luck with all your startups. Good article. One thing I noticed, however, is the lack of focus on “customer needs.” It is true that “ability to demonstrate efficacy” is important, but that could mean many things. For example, demonstrable ability to create software mean nothing if you can’t market it.

You also write: “Be able to demonstrate your capacity to produce the desired effect. One might be full of absolutely brilliant ideas, but they need an effective demo to attract clients and investors.” What is the desired effect? A flashy, catchy demo is of no interest to clients or investors. On the one hand, if a product doesn’t solve a specific needs, no one will care how revolutionary and elegant it is. Imagine a world with a cure for cancer with nobody suffering from the illness: great product, no market need. On the other hand, investors are interested in profits and long term sustainable business models. A flashy presentation can’t fake numbers and a well research market segmentation.

Good luck with all your startups.

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By: Jon Lee http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-11235 Jon Lee Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:06:06 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-11235 I've taken econ 101 and 102 with Larry Smith Let me tell you.. best class ever!! I’ve taken econ 101 and 102 with Larry Smith
Let me tell you.. best class ever!!

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By: Paul http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-10107 Paul Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:37:55 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-10107 Great video and article. I've always wanted to be in a start-up, and UWaterloo attracts me because of this. Great video and article. I’ve always wanted to be in a start-up, and UWaterloo attracts me because of this.

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By: Avinash http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-10089 Avinash Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:13:12 +0000 http://compsci.ca/blog/software-startups-success-and-failures/#comment-10089 Great article, Tony! :) Great article, Tony! :)

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